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    Crohn's Disease: Training Help

    Hello there...

    I know there is a couple guys on the forum who like me, suffer from Crohn's disease. As i have only been at the will of this disaease since February i have not been out of the gym TOO long and am looking to start going again as soon as i get back to University in August.

    I have lost a lot of muscle mass/weight from the disease (40lbs in a span of 2 1/2 months, was 235lbs in Feb/06 and by mid-Apr/06 was 195lbs). I am now on Prednisone (a strong catabolic steroid) but am in the process of tapering off, once i get to low enough doses i am hoping i can overcome the drugs effect and put mass back on.

    So my main question is what kind of training regime should i start doing, due to the disease supplements are no longer an option, Creatine could kill me, and i am sure large doses of Whey will end up hurting me too (Egg white based powders are apparently okay) and other then amino acids like Arginine, i am limited in that sense as well.

    I also wanted to know how well you guys are coping with squats and such since the Prednisone causes such a weakening of the legs. Basically i am looking for a starting point on getting back into shape...i have found my idol in life however, if i could look like Peter Nielsen my dreams would come true..

    http://www.peternielsen.com/ibd.htm

    I had lost all BB hope for a month or two until i came across him, now i am pumped to return to the gym and overcome the disease and live life to my full potential once again...well any help is greatly appreciated
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    One of the biggest problems with Crohn's is that you do not extract a lot of the nutrients that are in the food you eat, so you are prone to conditions of malnutrition. This also can lead to weakness in legs and elsewhere in the body.

    I have a friend who is a runner and suffers from Crohn's. She has good weeks and bad weeks. When she is having a good week, she will push herself more and run longer distances. When she is feeling down, she takes it easy.

    She keeps a very rigorous log of what she eats and how she feels. Those foods that she feels make her feel better and stronger she eats more of those; those that don't she avoids. This isn't rocket science here, but a strict log may help you.

    You may want to apply that same type of logic to your workouts. When you feel well, challenge yourself a bit, but when you don't, hold back some.

    I would go back to a basic routine, maybe three times a week, and I would go light and patient. This is a sacrilege, but you also may want to hold off on squats until your strength returns.

    Good luck and keep yourself well.

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    Good luck, Metal... Thats some serious stuff you're daling with there. Chron's disease is nothing to be toyed with. You might be interested in a book called The Maker's Diet by Jordan Rubin(<a doctor with Chron's Disease, also the owner of Garden of Life).
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    Originally Posted by pastorgbc
    One of the biggest problems with Crohn's is that you do not extract a lot of the nutrients that are in the food you eat, so you are prone to conditions of malnutrition. This also can lead to weakness in legs and elsewhere in the body.

    I have a friend who is a runner and suffers from Crohn's. She has good weeks and bad weeks. When she is having a good week, she will push herself more and run longer distances. When she is feeling down, she takes it easy.

    She keeps a very rigorous log of what she eats and how she feels. Those foods that she feels make her feel better and stronger she eats more of those; those that don't she avoids. This isn't rocket science here, but a strict log may help you.

    You may want to apply that same type of logic to your workouts. When you feel well, challenge yourself a bit, but when you don't, hold back some.

    I would go back to a basic routine, maybe three times a week, and I would go light and patient. This is a sacrilege, but you also may want to hold off on squats until your strength returns.

    Good luck and keep yourself well.

    Ray
    I guess i should have been a little more specific. I actually am pretty lucky as my Crohns has not spread to my small intestine, so as far as nutrition goes i have no problems with mal-absorption. All of my Crohns is in my ascending and trascending portions of my large intestine (colon) so i jsut have water absorbtion issues (which i take care of by incraesing how much water i take in). Currently i am tapering down to very low doses of Cortisol Steroids (used to reduce secretion from adrenal glands, and leading to suppresion of immune system) and i am hoping my body will stay into remission for a bit. We shall see i guess, i feel pretty good now, i have a huge appetite and eat lots again.
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    Crohns

    Originally Posted by Metalcarnage View Post
    I guess i should have been a little more specific. I actually am pretty lucky as my Crohns has not spread to my small intestine, so as far as nutrition goes i have no problems with mal-absorption. All of my Crohns is in my ascending and trascending portions of my large intestine (colon) so i jsut have water absorbtion issues (which i take care of by incraesing how much water i take in). Currently i am tapering down to very low doses of Cortisol Steroids (used to reduce secretion from adrenal glands, and leading to suppresion of immune system) and i am hoping my body will stay into remission for a bit. We shall see i guess, i feel pretty good now, i have a huge appetite and eat lots again.

    Hi,i've had Crohns for 14 years now, it was a nightmare in the begining while i was on steriods,then after a year or so they put me on Crohns specific drugs azathiaprine & budesonide, plus Crohns makes you enemic so you have to an iron pill ferrous fumerate.
    I've was also diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis at 18 months old so my drugs will vary from yours a little..
    Once you have sorted your diet out & found out exactly what sets your Crohns off..
    Diet is proberly the most important part of the Crohns management, like spicey things make me ill..
    I've recently started back in the gym, i've found the sci-mx protien works really well for me, you need to find 1 that dosn't make you feel bloated..
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    Originally Posted by fwek View Post
    Hi,i've had Crohns for 14 years now, it was a nightmare in the begining while i was on steriods,then after a year or so they put me on Crohns specific drugs azathiaprine & budesonide, plus Crohns makes you enemic so you have to an iron pill ferrous fumerate.
    I've was also diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis at 18 months old so my drugs will vary from yours a little..
    Once you have sorted your diet out & found out exactly what sets your Crohns off..
    Diet is proberly the most important part of the Crohns management, like spicey things make me ill..
    I've recently started back in the gym, i've found the sci-mx protien works really well for me, you need to find 1 that dosn't make you feel bloated..
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    Originally Posted by Soylent View Post
    What are the signs you have Chrons?
    The symptoms of Crohn's disease often vary but may include:


    Abdominal pain
    Diarrhea
    Rectal bleeding
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    Anemia (if rectal bleeding is persistent)
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    Any more crohnnies in the house? I have a few questions...
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    Originally Posted by Stack132 View Post
    Any more crohnnies in the house? I have a few questions...
    I have had Severe Crohns Disease for 3 years now... treating it is going to be diffrent for everyone... as we all have diffrent triggers. For me.. i have had to go full vegetarian, my body refuses to digest fats, carbs or pRotiens of any type... i have dropped 30lbs in just over a month... but i finally feel great...i still have my off days.. but that is usually from eating something i wasnt suppose to.. AND I WILL USUALLY VOMIT FIVE MINS LATER!!. I also find stress is a huge trigger for me. I refuse to take steriods to treat this... I am taking in as many vitamins as possible to replenish my malnutrition issues. This will always be my daily battle.. but so far i have gained so control over my body again... and i planned to finally walk back on stage this year!

    Just test foods and see how u respond... and elimination diet is the best way to see what ur triggers are... and the the Book.. THE MAKERS DIET...AMAZING!!!!!! READ IT!!
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    I have had Crohn's for over 5 years now, had 2 major resections and been in the hospital 2 other times to get the inflammation down. It took a while to figure out what drugs worked for me but once we figured out I haven't had any major issues for almost 2 years now. I talked with my specialist about what I can take supp wise and, for me because like what other posters have said everyones condition is a little different, I can take protein and multi vitamin. I deal with some pretty bad joint pain, but have noticed that working out and keeping active has helped me with that. When I was hitting the gym regularly I was at a solid 155 which for my size was pretty good. Just remember not to let it hold ya back, and keep moving
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    My thoughts on Crohn's

    Hey everyone!
    I was diagnosed with Crohn's at age 9 way back in 1973. Was on lots of sulfa and prednisone as a kid and always either overweight or sick/skinny. I've had numerous resections/surgeries and side effects (ie fistula). I always found nutrition to be the best way to control it. Watching what I would eat and how much was the best for me. In 1996, I had a very bad flare up and my doctor recommended illieostomy surgery. It was the best thing I ever did; I have been "disease-free"/drug free since. There are obviously conseqences with an ostomy as well, and it is not an easy road either.

    I have, however, experienced problems with nutrition because of my lack of intestinal tract. I eat small portions every two hours and this is very helpful. I drink a whey protein shake before/after workouts, but have not seen the expected results in muscle growth. I'm not sure if I'm getting all the nutitrional value or not. If someone has thoughts on this, please let me know!

    The best thing to help with Crohn's is nutrition, yes, I agree. But being strong in your mind is just as important! Don't be ashamed to talk about it or think negatively. Have a positive attitude and find support from others who care and understand what you are going though!
    I'm glad we have this forum to encourage one another!

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    My name is John. I am 44 and was diagnosed with crohn's when I was 7. I have had two resections and been on and off prednisone for a long time. Currently on Humira (40ml) injections, immuran (100mg) and 20 mg of prednisone. My last resection was in 1999. I got out of the hospital at 113 lbs (I am 5'4"). From that point I decided to seriously focus on working out and putting on weight. I went up to around 165 lbs until Oct of 2007. That's when everything seemed to crash. My liver has now endured damage as a result of the many medications I have been on for 37 years. I was put back on prednisone and ballooned up to 195lbs. My energy is about zero, depression, fall asleep around 3-4 in the morning...angry about everything. I did not renew my gym membership because the days I went I could maybe put in 15-20 mins. I have not had a drink in 15 years, I don't smoke and only take the meds they give me. I have been thinking about the whole hormone replacement thing to get my energy back (among other things) and to help cut down on my build up of fat. Because of the damaged liver, fluids back up into the spleen and with the additional weight already gained I look like I have a beer belly. Not looking for sympathy because we all have our hands full with this disease. What I am looking for is some advice. Seems like most Dr's are not big on the whole hormone replacement deal (unless you contact those clinics that want to charge 2-500 bucks a month). Dr's seemed to be worried about additional problems. My thing is quality of life. What is the use of living to be 80 years old if it means 40 more years of being stuck in the house. I would rather have 10-15 years of being active. Anyone have any insight?

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    Originally Posted by Justicexhaze View Post
    My name is John. I am 44 and was diagnosed with crohn's when I was 7. I have had two resections and been on and off prednisone for a long time. Currently on Humira (40ml) injections, immuran (100mg) and 20 mg of prednisone. My last resection was in 1999. I got out of the hospital at 113 lbs (I am 5'4"). From that point I decided to seriously focus on working out and putting on weight. I went up to around 165 lbs until Oct of 2007. That's when everything seemed to crash. My liver has now endured damage as a result of the many medications I have been on for 37 years. I was put back on prednisone and ballooned up to 195lbs. My energy is about zero, depression, fall asleep around 3-4 in the morning...angry about everything. I did not renew my gym membership because the days I went I could maybe put in 15-20 mins. I have not had a drink in 15 years, I don't smoke and only take the meds they give me. I have been thinking about the whole hormone replacement thing to get my energy back (among other things) and to help cut down on my build up of fat. Because of the damaged liver, fluids back up into the spleen and with the additional weight already gained I look like I have a beer belly. Not looking for sympathy because we all have our hands full with this disease. What I am looking for is some advice. Seems like most Dr's are not big on the whole hormone replacement deal (unless you contact those clinics that want to charge 2-500 bucks a month). Dr's seemed to be worried about additional problems. My thing is quality of life. What is the use of living to be 80 years old if it means 40 more years of being stuck in the house. I would rather have 10-15 years of being active. Anyone have any insight?

    Thanks...so glad I found this sight,

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    That really sucks man, I've been living with the disease since I was 11, and it has been hell for the most part, I can entirely relate to the prednisone thing, I was on it for the past 2 years straight 20-40mg, the anger, depression, isolation... it sucks, I lost most of my friends and worst of all my girlfriend of 5yrs, because she could not deal with who I had become... I stopped caring about everything and everyone, a terrible cycle of self loathing.

    the doctors had run out of options, I stopped responding to medications, at that point they recommended doing a J-Pouch procedure (remove the colon and make a pseudo colon out of small intestine)... I ended up pulling out of it a month and a half ago, I just woke up one day and felt better... just hang in there man, try to find something that makes you want to get out of bed in the morning.
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    I was diagnosed a year ago and it has been hell. I went from 210 down to 160 in about three months then ballooned up to 225 on the prednisone. I just recently started back at the gym and playing hockey again. I just started Remicade today.

    I would suggest talking to your doctor about depression because you definatley sound like you have it and checking out crohnsforum.com. I have learned more there in two weeks then in a year of reading. There are a lot of people there with A LOT of helpful info and support. Good luck
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    I have crohns as well. Diet doesn't seem to big of a factor for me. I tried staying away from Spicy foods, still got a flare up, stayed away from lactose flare up. Some days, some food sets me off, other days they do nothing.

    Stress seems ot be a bug factor, prednisone is a love / hate relationship. Love the energy it gives me, but hate how fat, bloated and angry i get on it.


    As for workout, you can't train balls to wall. Forget about it, reduce your volume and your frequency. Everytime i train balls to wall i would get a flare up. Protein powders are o.k, you just have to find the right one, why isolate seems the best. Muslce milk was good until they put in fiber.

    Basically it's trial and error, you have to see what works for you and what doesn't.

    But don't go nuts with your training, you can't train as hard or as long otherwise you will wear yourself down
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    I was diagnosed when I was 16 and it's really hit or miss. Talk to your doctor about going on a medication called Asacol. I found it helped and didn't have any major side effects.


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    I was diagnosed 10 years ago. Just in the recent 3 years has my Crohn's been in remission. I give myself Humira injections every two weeks, probiotics, vitamin B-12, a multi-vitamin, and I take Elavil. I have IBS as well. The only set back I have had has been a bout with anemia. I had to go in every week for 6 weeks to get a safe and effective infusion of Venofer. I am very lucky to have had no surgeries. Now that I'm able to have a social life and be active, I'm looking forward to challenging and improving my physical fitness.

    If you're dealing with a flare, my suggestion is to make sure you're getting proper nutrition, and to wait until the disease is in remission before you begin any serious training routine. GET YOUR BLOOD WORK DONE REGULARLY! STRESS MANAGEMENT IS IMPORTANT, TOO! It's not worth the extra stress and strain on your body if you can't absorb important nutrients to sustain proper nutrition.
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    mate i dont have the disease, but wanted to say good luck and also bump the thread
    i dont compete against you. i compete against myself yesterday, last week, last year


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    Originally Posted by Gibsonmac View Post
    That really sucks man, I've been living with the disease since I was 11, and it has been hell for the most part, I can entirely relate to the prednisone thing, I was on it for the past 2 years straight 20-40mg, the anger, depression, isolation... it sucks, I lost most of my friends and worst of all my girlfriend of 5yrs, because she could not deal with who I had become... I stopped caring about everything and everyone, a terrible cycle of self loathing.

    the doctors had run out of options, I stopped responding to medications, at that point they recommended doing a J-Pouch procedure (remove the colon and make a pseudo colon out of small intestine)... I ended up pulling out of it a month and a half ago, I just woke up one day and felt better... just hang in there man, try to find something that makes you want to get out of bed in the morning.
    Wow...sometimes you (I) thought I was the only one...I mean I know I am not but it just feels that way many times. I cannot believe the responses..thank you. I'm setting new body image goals and just try and push through it. I appreciate the response.
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    Originally Posted by cocoumi View Post
    I was diagnosed 10 years ago. Just in the recent 3 years has my Crohn's been in remission. I give myself Humira injections every two weeks, probiotics, vitamin B-12, a multi-vitamin, and I take Elavil. I have IBS as well. The only set back I have had has been a bout with anemia. I had to go in every week for 6 weeks to get a safe and effective infusion of Venofer. I am very lucky to have had no surgeries. Now that I'm able to have a social life and be active, I'm looking forward to challenging and improving my physical fitness.

    If you're dealing with a flare, my suggestion is to make sure you're getting proper nutrition, and to wait until the disease is in remission before you begin any serious training routine. GET YOUR BLOOD WORK DONE REGULARLY! STRESS MANAGEMENT IS IMPORTANT, TOO! It's not worth the extra stress and strain on your body if you can't absorb important nutrients to sustain proper nutrition.
    Thank you for your input and good luck. Yeah...I take an over the counter iron supplement 2-4 times a day to keep up my red blood counts. Otherwise I start having shortness of breath....not enough red blood cells to carry oxygen. Hopefully better shape will result in over all better health. Just finished putting together a "restart" program. Jumping in the First of July.
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    Are there certain supplements that should be avoided?
    Maybe we can post some things that seem to work and others that haven't.
    I just started taking jack3d. I took it about 4 times. One scoop each time.
    I had some blood in my stool so I stopped it. NO explode did not give me a problem.
    I might go back to it. I really do miss the preworkout drinks.
    Other than that I take whey protein isolate, multi vitamin pills and fish oil.
    Those don't seem to give me a problem.
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    Cool Crohn's and HGH

    Hi all suffers of crohn's,
    I would like to tell you a little about my story. I was diagnosed with crohn's disease when I was 18, I then had two re-sectioning surgery's in my thirties. Since then I had not been able to gain any weight over 140lbs.

    One day I was reading an article in the 2000 New England Journal of Medicine in regards to how they did a study on how HGH and a High protein diet can put Crohn's disease in remission. I then decided to join a gym and seek out a Hormone doctor. This doctor, on what I told him about the article, prescribed a list of Meds and supplements. Here is the list:
    Sermorelin 3mg+GHRP6 20units
    HCG 10units
    Testosterone Lipo Cream 1ml
    Sustained release DHEA 100mg
    Pregnenlone 100mg
    Thyroid SR
    Vitamin D
    Melatonin 5mg
    I also take other supplements such as fish oil, flax seed oil, b12, Mito Detox, High protein weight gainer, glucosamine and creatine.

    Since I have started this regimen, approximately a year ago, my weight has soared to 165lbs of pure solid muscle.

    I guess there is something to say about this. Maybe some more testing should be done.
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    Cool Pulling Myself Together and Fighting CD

    I have been suffering with Crohn's and bad medical advice for many years. I finally started to pull myself together last year - I turned 30 and realized just how incredibly F*d up my life has been over the last 7 years. I was a healthy guy (6ft1in ~215lbs) I got sick in late 2003 (weight went down to 175), took 6 months to get a diagnosis, then I got put o steroids... lots of crappy corticosteroids for about a year and a half, tapering up and down. In a few months I weighed 260 (when I got married in '04). Steroids weren't working out well, strictures suck w/ prednisone - they help you heal up, but stricturing Crohn's is the formation of scar tissue leading to obstruction... steroids end up accelerating obstructions through quicker cycles of inflammation and recovery. Had my resection surgery in 2005. Got a bitchin scar. :/

    I ended up on Remicade which was good, but started down a bad path with pain meds, not abusing, but a pain management doctor kept ramping me up on different forms of opiates. Getting back to turning 30 - I finally made a choice to get off the drugs. Now that I am off the drugs (except Remicade) I am doing great. I finally woke up when my weight got over 300lbs. Now I am working it off...

    Has anyone else with Crohn's had unusual difficulty in losing weight? I have some concerns about the malnutrition and that possibly causing my body to think I am starving, holding on to the weight... I have figured out that a high protein low sugar diet is the best for my disease. I think sticking to a high protein diet is helping me gradually get the weight off. Putting muscle on has never been to hard for me, but I am starting from ground zero after so many years of being sedentary and not caring about exercise (drugs kill motivation).

    I'm finding that supplements aren't giving me too much difficulty right now. Although the only creatine I can take right now is Con-Crete, it seems to be much easier on the gut.

    If anyone has some tips for me - give me a shout! It is always good to chat with a fellow Crohnie. A lot of the normal healthy folks don't understand the difficulties we can have with maintaining our bodies. It is a fight everyday. Sometimes it is a fight just to go to work in the morning.

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    Hey guys Iv had crohns for 10 years aswell and had surg to take out large portions of my intestines..as u can see in my pics i have the scar down the bottom left of tum...Still difficult to keep down any protien plus apitite suffers alot as i dont eat large portions of anything! any hints an tips on how to keep my protien down plus who has a good diet they can share with me?? Cheers boys, it will not stop us!!
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    There is only one sure way of treating crohns disease. It's called helminth therapy. 80% of people who are treated with helminths for crohns are able to experience a complete reduction of symptoms to pre crohns status and cease the use of any medication.

    Here are some articles on it.

    Trichuris suis therapy in Crohn’s disease
    http://www.springerlink.com/content/y6503t7144001r04/

    An update on the use of helminths to treat Crohn’s
    and other autoimmunune diseases
    http://gut.bmj.com/content/54/1/87.short

    The use of Trichuris suis and other helminth therapies
    to treat Crohn’s disease
    http://www.springerlink.com/content/cg8228371352n384/


    The reason why not many people hear about this therapy or why it's not that known is that the evil pharmaceutical companies (aka drug cartels) have formed a monopoly in health care worth billions of dollars and they are impending this therapy and blocking research on it. They would rather see people suffer, spend money on their dangerous drugs, than see a cure, which would cost them billions of dollars of lost profits. Helminth therapy also cannot be patented.
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    Originally Posted by KingNY View Post
    Are there certain supplements that should be avoided?
    Maybe we can post some things that seem to work and others that haven't.
    I just started taking jack3d. I took it about 4 times. One scoop each time.
    I had some blood in my stool so I stopped it. NO explode did not give me a problem.
    I might go back to it. I really do miss the preworkout drinks.
    Other than that I take whey protein isolate, multi vitamin pills and fish oil.
    Those don't seem to give me a problem.
    stay away from sizeon! that stuff will rip u inside out! haha set me back a week or so
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    Originally Posted by frankea64 View Post
    Hi all suffers of crohn's,
    I would like to tell you a little about my story. I was diagnosed with crohn's disease when I was 18, I then had two re-sectioning surgery's in my thirties. Since then I had not been able to gain any weight over 140lbs.

    One day I was reading an article in the 2000 New England Journal of Medicine in regards to how they did a study on how HGH and a High protein diet can put Crohn's disease in remission. I then decided to join a gym and seek out a Hormone doctor. This doctor, on what I told him about the article, prescribed a list of Meds and supplements. Here is the list:
    Sermorelin 3mg+GHRP6 20units
    HCG 10units
    Testosterone Lipo Cream 1ml
    Sustained release DHEA 100mg
    Pregnenlone 100mg
    Thyroid SR
    Vitamin D
    Melatonin 5mg
    I also take other supplements such as fish oil, flax seed oil, b12, Mito Detox, High protein weight gainer, glucosamine and creatine.

    Since I have started this regimen, approximately a year ago, my weight has soared to 165lbs of pure solid muscle.

    I guess there is something to say about this. Maybe some more testing should be done.
    Legend Sir... thank you
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    More articles.

    Does the failure to acquire helminthic parasites predispose to Crohn’s disease?
    http://www.fasebj.org/content/14/12/1848.short

    Trichuris suis seems to be safe and possibly effective in the treatment of inflammatory bowel disease
    http://www.nature.com/ajg/journal/v9...g2003472a.html
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