LongJack Thread

[blackdream71]

Anyone else with opinions on LJ?

Does BB.com carry a decent brand?

i recommend the "Longjax" 20:1 extract by Swanson Vitamins, google it.

[quasibatman]

Anyone else with opinions on LJ?

Does BB.com carry a decent brand?

the Diet Pro product has the cheapest longjack pure gram on the internet

[Mumof2]

hey guys just interested in finding out any info on whether women should/can take testosterone boosters and if they are effective. Cheers.

[muruku]

hey guys just interested in finding out any info on whether women should/can take testosterone boosters and if they are effective. Cheers.

Perhaps you should ask your question here:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=113446961
She's running a log on a test booster.

[Mumof2]

Sweet will have a look

[TheSupremeBeing]

LJ100 is the only standardized Long JacK(Eurycoma Longifolia) extract in the world. It is patented and proven to increase testosterone.

AndroGenerator contains the HIGHEST LJ100 dosage out of any product currently on the market: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/su...generator.html

DO NOT BE CONFUSED** "LJ100" is a trademark name for the patented Malaysian extract created by HP-Ingredients. A simple crude water extract(20:1, 50:1, 100:1) is NOT the same as LJ100, which undergoes a patented extraction process to yield a high percentage the active Glycosapins.

LJ100 is NOT ordinary Long jack, it is the ONLY standardized extract in the world, containing the active Glycosapins. BEWARE: There are many knockoffs!

[blackdream71]

^^^^^ Mods why is this freakin guy allowed to spam again and again and again, it's ridiculous?

[valier]

It appears that there are varying opinions on the difference of LongJack products in terms of:
- source
- quality
- standardized extracts (25:1, 50:1, 100:1)
- experience (initial effects, side effects)

The purpose of this thread is to collect a uniform, general consensus on the effficacy of the difference extracts that are currently on the market.

If you have any experience, valid and/or credible information in regards to Eurycoma Longifolia Jack, then please chime in.

Well for one thing the dumb ****s in indonesia who manafacture it ought to stop confusing people with all this 50:1, 200:1, ten zillion-1 extract crap.
How the **** is anyone supposed to know what it all means?

[valier]

I got some more for ya. This is an email that a TongkatAli.org rep sent me.


I will do my best to answer your questions. I would suggest that you do some research on the site below. Please understand that this mans site is somewhat bazaar, as it is mainly sexual related, however he has some very good research on Tongkat Ali, how it works what is the best product etc. About half way down the page are several links for Tongkat Ali that you may find interesting. Please understand I do not have any affiliation with Mr. Kreutz. I happened upon his site when I was doing my own research on which was the best product to buy. He recommends Sumatra Pasak Bumi as the best manufacturer of Tongkat Ali.
http://www.asiatour.com/tongkatalipurchase.htm

I looked at the L-J 100 site and, this is just my opinion, but find that it may not be truthful in its description of product. They claim that it is a concentration of 1:100, however then it says they are only 50 mg of TA per capsule. The site I order from is www.tongkatali.org, if you check their site you can see that the 1:50 capsules are 400 MG of pure Tongkat Ali Extract per capsule and that the 1:200 capsules are 600 MG per capsule. To the average consumer one would reasonable assume that 1:200 would be 4 times stronger then 1:50, but you can see by the MG per capsule that this is not the case it is in reality only 1/3 stronger, but the price is very high. Using the same math one would see that a 1:100 capsule would probably only be a 500 mg capsule, however on the L-J 100 site it says the capsules are 50 mg? I am sure they would say it is concentrated, but a mg is a mg no matter how you explain it.
For many years I have read an alternatives medicine Newsletter by Dr. David Williams. When he hears of a new herb or remedy he travels to the country and investigates himself. He also recommends that Sumatra Pasak Bumi has the highest quality, and safest TA sold, that is where I frist read about TA from Sumatra Pasak Bumi. Malaysian TA has been know to have concentrations of lead and arsenic in their Tongkat Ali and some companies just bootleg TA from Malaysia since there it is a protected plant. Our manufacturer is licensed and inspected by they Govt of Indonesia. They have on site an inspector equal to a FDA inspector.
The Tongkat Ali I sell is 400 MG per capsule, for body builders it is suggested that one takes between 2 and 4 grams a day ( 2000 to 4000 mg) as you can see with the LJ-100 one would have to take 40 to 80 capsules a day to get the same results. On the label for the LJ-100 it says it is 150 mg of longjack but that is if you take 3 capsules. At the site I looked at I did not see that it was inspected or licensed. Many of the companies in Malaysia add bootleg Viagra to their product which makes it even more unsafe. I had been told that the FDA had notified some sellers that they could not sell certain Malaysian TA, but have no concrete proof of this. The site I looked at is closed and has moved to a new site which is the information I was given that once they are told the cannot sell they just get a new site and continue on. This is only information that some customers have told me, I have not researched it myself. I do not know what you paid for the LJ-100 but if it is comparable to the site I looked at and was indeed 50 mg per capsule then the cost per capsule for theirs is about 28 cents each where mine is about 20 cents each, however if you would multiply their cost times milligrams that would cost $2.24 per capsule. I know on this site it says 2 to 4 caps a day but at 50 mg per capsule that would have little or no effect.
I have a web site that we are making a lot of changes to, we are working on a new site so have not made the corrections to this site, the prices are not correct but it does have a lot of information there also, under "article" on the drop down on the right side of the page you can read the article by Dr. Williams. There is also an article from the British Journal of Sports Medicine under research. www.newlifealternatives.com
I am also attaching a couple e-mails that I got from a young man that buys the Tongkat Ali from me and takes it for body building.
The most important things to look for in TA is what country is it from, what are the mg per capsule, is the manufacturer licensed and inspected, is it extract or just the powder. Extract is very dark in color almost like instant coffee and has a very bitter taste.
I hope this is helpful, and if there is anything else I can assist with please contact me. There is so much information about Tongkat Ali I find it difficult to give you all the information. I did much research before I decided to sell TA from Sumatra Pasak Bumi as I felt they were the most reputable with the best product I could find.
Thanks
Bonnie

MY QUESTION
One last question about what you wrote, I don't understand how the 1:50
extract is a better deal than the 1:200 extracts. I could be wrong but it
would seem that the concentration of the extract is 1:200 and you are
getting 600mg per capsule of that. When the 1:50 your only getting 400mg of
that so you would have take 4 capsules of the 1:50 to equal 1 capsule of the
1:200. What formula are you using.

HER ANSWER
I am sorry I do not understand how you have come to that total for milligrams. Say you have one capsule that is 400 mg and one capsule that is 600 mg. If one would take 2 of the 600 mg capsules = 1200 mg, or one would have to take 3 of the 400 mg capsules = 1200 mg. The cost one would have to pay for the 1:200 is the real issue. I do not even carry the 1:200 for that reason. Directly from Sumatra Pasak Bumi the 1:200 capsules for 400 capsules is $645.00 and from them for 400 of the 400 mg capsules would be $260.00. 2.48 times more expensive. This is not wholesale but if you would purchase directly from them. For me to buy wholesale from them the cost is 3 times as much for 1:200 then for 1:50.
Doing a math equation that one would divide 200 into 400 (as in MG capsules) = 2
Divide 200 into 600 (MG capsules) = 3 this equals 2/3 so the 600 mg caps are only 1/3 stronger then the 400. 600 - 400 = 200, 200 X 3 = 600. Price wise it would cost almost 2 1/2 times more to purchase them. From that angle, if someone would actually do the math and figure out that they are not getting 4 times as much in a capsule but 1/3 more the price I would have to charge to sell them would be a great expense to me and I would sell very little. At wholesale price to me, I would have to sell the 1:200 for about $80 for 100 when I sell the 1:50 for $21.50. I apologize if I did not explain it clearly. If you have any questions please let me know.
Thanks
Bonnie

I am sorry, I also wanted to send you this detailed information on the best diet, use and dosage for Tongkat ali.We have not had any negative feedback from our customers about the aggressive behavior,but we feel that we need to make our customers aware of how to
handle these circumstances if they should arise.If any aggressive or unusual behavior develops all that is necessary to do is to go offTongkat Ali for a few days to lower the testosterone levels.
Some of our customers do not follow the dietary guide lines and still have good results. Of course the closer one adheres to this information the better results will be achevied. Tongkat Ali should be taken either on a 5 day on and a 3 day off cycle,2 weeks on and 5 days off or can be taken a month on and 2 weeks off. Most find the 5 days on and 3 days off works the best. However if one is taking it for body building I would recommendthe month on and 2 weeks off cycle. What ever cycle you chooseit is very important to do the off cycle. I hope this is helpful, please feel free to contact me if you have a ny questions.
Thanks againBonnie
Tongkat ali extract detailed dosage informationFor tongkat ali 1:50 extract, the standard dosage formen is 0.8 gram (800 mg) to 1.6 gram (1600 mg) perday. Weight lifting athletes may go to twice or evenfour times that dosage, taken at regular intervalsduring the day.

First-day dosages should just be one quarter ofstandard dosages, and second-day dosages should be onehalf of standard dosages.Dosages for women are half of the dosages for men.

Kreunz is a fraud. All of that website is overhype. He's also an old pervert. He actually has a stake in the company his links go to. Take an order from them and if your in europe the funds pass through Germany where Kreunz is based

[bromanowski]

LJ 100 is legit. I only take half of the recommended serving on the bottle and damn I still feel it. Im kind of worried about gyno though. I have never had any problems with that before and I feel like I might be having some now. Not sure though, could just be increased muscle and bodyfat in the pecs. But it still worries me. But other than that this product is awesome.

Best site to buy it.

iherb.com 45 servings of 100mg of LJ 100 is 24.99 with 1.50 for shipping.

Also any suggestions on gyno? Whether or not im getting it? Any personal experience appreciated I have been doing the whole internet research thing for awhile...