White Blood stimulant and smoking question.

[bredfan]

Recently I got a couple sample paks of No-Explode. I had never tried an NO product before so I gave it a whirl. The pump I felt was great, but I couldn't stand the uneasy feeling I got from the stimulants. Ya know that jittery, nauseous, can't wait till it wears off feeling? No headache or anything, just that waaayyyy too much coffee feeling.

I've been hearing White Blood doesn't elicit these same stimulant effects. Is this indeed true? I read the ingredients, but not being a chemist I have no idea if any of those ingredients have stimulant effects. Does White Blood contain caffeine?

I'm also a smoker, since smoking raises blood pressure, and NO lowers blood pressure, could that type of up and down effect be dangerous? Well, more dangerous than just smoking, which I'm already aware is BAD!! Or would the smoking just cancel out any benefits I'd get from the White Blood?

Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[redvision]

If you're serious about bodybuilding enough to spend money on No supps, then you should be enough to quit smoking now. it'll do wonders.

Redvision

[bredfan]

I appreciate you taking the time and the quick reply. Unfortunately, I already know that answer.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Recently I got a couple sample paks of No-Explode. I had never tried an NO product before so I gave it a whirl. The pump I felt was great, but I couldn't stand the uneasy feeling I got from the stimulants. Ya know that jittery, nauseous, can't wait till it wears off feeling? No headache or anything, just that waaayyyy too much coffee feeling.

I've been hearing White Blood doesn't elicit these same stimulant effects. Is this indeed true? I read the ingredients, but not being a chemist I have no idea if any of those ingredients have stimulant effects. Does White Blood contain caffeine?

I'm also a smoker, since smoking raises blood pressure, and NO lowers blood pressure, could that type of up and down effect be dangerous? Well, more dangerous than just smoking, which I'm already aware is BAD!! Or would the smoking just cancel out any benefits I'd get from the White Blood?

Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

correct, white blood has no stimulants in it. some people get a rash when combining NO products with smoking (nicotine)

[pu12en12g]

Ok, besides the obvious lectures on not smoking.. let's forget about the "smoke" itself and I will focus on the nicotine + nitric oxide.

At this time, I DO NOT recommend stacking nicotine with nitric oxide products due to potential side effects. Some info to get you started:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=724220

Much more research is needed.

[bredfan]

Wow. Right from the source. Thank you very much for the quick reply CL and your honesty. Much appreciated. I was half expecting an answer like "suck it up and drink more water." Or "just quit smoking."

Rash? Ouch. Wasn't aware of that. Is that more of an allergic reaction or an interaction between one of the ingridients and nicotene?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Wow. Right from the source. Thank you very much for the quick reply CL and your honesty. Much appreciated. I was half expecting an answer like "suck it up and drink more water." Or "just quit smoking."

Rash? Ouch. Wasn't aware of that. Is that more of an allergic reaction or an interaction between one of the ingridients and nicotene?

the details arent exactly known, but PT has some good info above. it doesnt happen to everyone but there have been some cases. I would avoid NO if I were a smoker.

[pu12en12g]

Since many readers don't like to click links, here are some of the potential positives and negatives. This isn't meant to be "alarmist" and there is conflicting research on SOME of it:

Nicotine spurs vessel growth, maybe cancer

More than 4,000 chemicals make up cigarette smoke, and many of them can damage a person's health. But the bête noire of the lot is nicotine, a compound that is simultaneously pleasure-inducing, addictive, and—at high doses—poisonous. A new study adds another trait: Nicotine in mice has spawned the growth of new blood vessels and thus promoted cancer.

Blood vessel formation, or angiogenesis, can play a positive or negative role in health. Some researchers are inducing angiogenesis in heart-disease patients to help them rebuild damaged heart muscle (SN: 2/28/98, p. 132). Meanwhile, scientists fighting cancer are trying to thwart angiogenesis and thus the flow of oxygen and nourishment to tumors.

In the new study, the researchers had assumed that nicotine would impair angiogenesis. "We went into this study with the wrong hypothesis," says John P. Cooke, a cardiologist at Stanford University School of Medicine. To his surprise, laboratory cultures of human blood vessels grew well when exposed to nicotine in moderate doses. Nicotine also cut the rate of programmed cell death in those cultures.

Intrigued, Cooke and his colleagues began testing the effects of nicotine in mice. For one experiment, they implanted human-lung cancer tissues in the animals. They then gave some mice drinking water laced with nicotine in doses mirroring the amounts ingested by cigarette smokers.

The mice getting nicotine experienced more rapid tumor growth than did mice that were not given nicotine, the researchers report in the July Nature Medicine.

In a group of mice without tumors, the researchers measured the effect of nicotine on atherosclerosis, the formation of fatty plaques in arteries. Mice receiving nicotine in their drinking water had larger plaques than mice getting plain water, the researchers report. Atherosclerotic plaques "grow like coral reefs; they are full of living cells," Cooke says. Nicotine induces vessel growth to feed these plaques, he says.

In other mice, the researchers stopped blood flow to one hind limb. Animals getting nicotine experienced double the growth of new blood vessels compared with mice not getting nicotine. Here, the angiogenesis benefited the mice.

"These are interesting conclusions that will need to be followed up," says Byron L. Olson, a biochemist at Indiana University School of Dentistry in Indianapolis. The nicotine-cancer link implied by angiogenesis could explain part of the association between mouth cancers and chewing tobacco, he says.

Researchers could look for drugs to block the action of nicotine in cases in which it's harmful, says Cooke. Conversely, nicotine's angiogenic qualities might have therapeutic value in people with injured tissues, he says.

The work indicates that excessive use of nicotine patches or gum may have a cost, Cooke adds, although it shouldn't dissuade people from short-term use of these products for smoking cessation.

[pu12en12g]

The mice getting nicotine experienced more rapid tumor growth than did mice that were not given nicotine, the researchers report in the July Nature Medicine.

It's VERY important to note, and almost ALWAYS OVERLOOKED... that Anabolic Steroids will ALSO enhance existing tumor growth.

[bredfan]

There's my answer. Thanks PU. You CL guys are all right. Honesty and substance are so key in this industry and on these forums. It's refreshing to see questions answered rationally and relavently.

I usually stick with the basics. Multi, efa, whey, mono. Recently I decided to jump on the CEE bandwagon with Cell Mass. Had a coupon, and that's how I got the sample No-Explode. Not really sure why I got pushed into the NO direction. I guess it's like plastic surgery addiction. When you see the changes, you want more.

Due to this post, I may be giving Green Buldge a try when my Cell Mass runs out. You guys have definitely earned my respect.

[pu12en12g]

There's my answer. Thanks PU. You CL guys are all right. Honesty and substance are so key in this industry and on these forums. It's refreshing to see questions answered rationally and relavently.

I usually stick with the basics. Multi, efa, whey, mono. Recently I decided to jump on the CEE bandwagon with Cell Mass. Had a coupon, and that's how I got the sample No-Explode. Not really sure why I got pushed into the NO direction. I guess it's like plastic surgery addiction. When you see the changes, you want more.

Due to this post, I may be giving Green Buldge a try when my Cell Mass runs out. You guys have definitely earned my respect.

Thanks for the kind words.

As far as supplements, you may want to supplement with a potent antioxidant product until you quit smoking. NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) would probably be first on the list.

Also, if you haven't tried Nicotine GUM... I highly recommend giving it a try... even if you would have to stay on it... in other words not a "quit" lecture.