people that yell and scream at the gym

[-N-]

Who the hell are you? Trying to act familiar and crap, you don't know me, so don't act like it. If you want to go moan like you're trying out to do porn, be my guest, I'll be the guy in the corner knocking out reps, leaving you far behind. I've just never felt a need to act so stupid in a gym, especially considering how many different types of people you get in one place

It would be very helpful if you could shed some light on the following:
What part of that sentence where I'm trying to act 'familiar'?It plainly states that if you're concentrating hard enough you wont hear them/wont feel the need to bother with them(much unlike the gentleman above who "starts conversations"). Also what part of that post implies that I am one of those who shouts while I train?
And I have absolutely no idea what kind of company you train in,but whoever said anything about moaning?Do you even know what a moan is?If people in your gym moan like they're having sex I must pity you.
About the rest of the post,read my post on the first page and you'll know I'm not preaching shouting to the lazy fatass or the avereage guy while he does his 20 cable curls as you very nicely put it.

edit:sorry didn't see your last post.I totally agree with you as far as the "attention seeker" you've described is concerned..thats not what i'm advocating.Some people even seem to have problems witha few aggressive grunts and they go complain to the staff.If they want to waste their time on the treadmills staring at the chicks from the mirror fine..but complain?Where the hell do they think they are?An afternoon tea party?
I guess both of us are arguing about the 2 different extremes.I apologize if I misunderstood you.

[BigJoe15]

I dont mind grunting or screaming in the gym as long as its for a real reason, i.e. someone is maxing out on a big lift. I dont think anyone needs to scream the place down doing cable crossovers etc. However, I do feel that when you are working out intensly or lifting alot of weight for your abilities, it gets painfull and puts the body under strain. Grunting and the odd shout is just an extension of breathing under pressure and a bit of pain. It also get some people syked up, much off lifting is mental. But there is a difference between that and screaming like a bitch n throwing dumbells about for no reason.

I think lifes all about expression, as is bodybuilding. I dont suppress my emotion in the weight room nor do I expect others to do so. But I dont like showoff posers who scream for no reason or scream rediculously loud. Lets face it, if you do scream a little on a set, its not always that load and it doesnt last for 5 ****in minutes, therefore anyone who acts like this is a cock. I actually find that clang of weights and the odd grunt and scream motivates me, combine that with a partner and some verbal encoragement and healthy competition, and you have the perfect workout environment in my opinion. Thats what I feel is best for me, but it all depends on personality. That environment may be too over stimulating for an introverted performer who may decide to workout with headphones on etc. The inverted u theory can explain a bit about this. In the gym we are performing like any other athlete, the environment in which you feel best doing this is purly upto you. No point training in a Dorian scream the house down, verbally harassed mode, if you would feel more comfortable training like Cutler with less stimulus.

BigJoe

[marrzie]

Bob Chic.Bob Chic the moderator.Bob Chic the moderator who,if you fancifully quote,you stand a chance of being gifted a couple of juicy green blocks under nickname.Do not underestimate the power of these blocks,the are necessary for the survival of mankind.The more the dots beside your name,the bigger your muscles will become.(and probably even your ego).Just quote the big boys.And watch out.. if you beleive otherwise your gonna be cursed to hell.Your gonna be put in the dreaded "red zone" Which is..in real life..gonna make you a lesser bodybuilder.

ps-Absolutely no offence to you Bob.I respect you as a bodybuilder and i'm sure you'd be great as a person.I had to write this cuz some of ur pets have started using "Bob once said.." as proof to their arguement which is ridiculous.

Are you kidding me?
You talk of not assuming or in that case I agree with you.
All I did was post a quote that I thought was interesting for this thread.Please feel free to go back through any or all of my posts made since 2002 and see if you can come up with any example that I kiss anyones ass.I am interested to see it.
I too am ok with the occasional grunt or two when maxing out if you read my post it says "intensity is not screaming and making ridiculous noises like someone´s poking needles inyour eyes."
Now if you feel the need to say or imply that I am one of Bobs pets because I quoted Bob saying:

"intensity is not screaming and making ridiculous noises like someone´s poking needles inyour eyes."

Then perhaps you think its cool for them to scream like needles are being poked into their eyes.Now if thats the case we just disagree but although I do not know you I will take a chance and assume you too think its not ok to scream and make ridiculous noises do to the pain of needles being poked into your eyes.
Please if my assumption is wrong feel free to once again flame at least this time you will have a reason.

[Jwillbc55]

I don't think it matters how much weight you are using really because 200 pound squats might be difficult for some people. Heavy weight is relative to how much weight you can lift. Just because you're not the strongest guy doesn't mean you're not giving maximum effort. I mean even the guy squatting 600 lbs. had to start somewhere right?

[1devil]

There is a trio of powerlifting idiots at my gym that continuously scream like they are passing kidney stones. I should actually refer to them as alleged powerlifters because they are not all that strong. Most of my lifts are as good or better than their lifts, and i never use any support gear.They yell before they lift, while they lift, and in celebration of completing their lift. I just can't take it anymore.

[BigJoe15]

There is a trio of powerlifting idiots at my gym that continuously scream like they are passing kidney stones. I should actually refer to them as alleged powerlifters because they are not all that strong. Most of my lifts are as good or better than their lifts, and i never use any support gear.They yell before they lift, while they lift, and in celebration of completing their lift. I just can't take it anymore.

Im not dead-against yelling, but those are the kind of idiots you dont want in your gym lol. In fact theres alot of strong dudes in my gym who can push a bit of weight, some even max out etc. But they aint shoutin like dicks all the time, guess you are just unlucky to have those fools in your gym. Cant stand people like that.

BigJoe

[Caesar164]

yea you can. if ur max is like 800 pounds, 400 pounds is lightweight. :-D

12 reps 435lbs, ass to the ground squats, I may grunt on the last 3 to 4 reps, and I could care less if it bothers anyone, or what there opinions may be.
On the other hand, I spray and wipe evrything I use and rack all the weights I use. Some of these quiet guys guys are pigs ,lol.

[Zane >>>> God]

"Excuse me Ronnie Coleman, yea, please leave our gym w/ your 'yea buddys' and 'woooohoooos'. Thank You"

[ElMariachi]

"Excuse me Ronnie Coleman, yea, please leave our gym w/ your 'yea buddys' and 'woooohoooos'. Thank You"

I didn't even know we had people as young as 11 on these boards, LOL

[Chunk Tiger]

I have more of a death growl on the last couple/few hard reps, with a little mouth almost closed and breathing heavy in and out, heh.

Wish someone was behind me, "Yeah, Lift that Sh*t!"... I just have to tell myself that, heh.

From out looking in, I may look like I'm taking a big dump or something. *shrug* It works for me.

[-N-]

Are you kidding me?
You talk of not assuming or in that case I agree with you.
All I did was post a quote that I thought was interesting for this thread.Please feel free to go back through any or all of my posts made since 2002 and see if you can come up with any example that I kiss anyones ass.I am interested to see it.

Although you might have quoted Bob too,let me tell you that it wasn't intended towards you as an individual.I've been here for just over a month but have seen people passing **** under Bobs name more times than I can count(not necessarily in this section) so I just took over from where Figure8 had left off to let my disapproval be known.You probably know I dont want to search through your posts to try and prove you kiss anyones ass.I'm pretty sure you didn't(since you don't have too many green blocks anyway).
But still,I would be lying if I said I felt that you did not blindly agree with Bob's stand on the matter.

"intensity is not screaming and making ridiculous noises like someone´s poking needles inyour eyes."

Then perhaps you think its cool for them to scream like needles are being poked into their eyes.Now if thats the case we just disagree

To start with the above quote..this is nothing but a clever way to make people who make ridiculous noises(i.e. grunt) look stupid.Now I agree that attention-seekers who "scream" need to be done away with,but you are generalising a bit too much here.
Now someone has said previously that people in his gym moan like how a guy would while he's having sex.Don't ask me about things like that,I had never anticipated that people could be this stupid.
But what I'm trying to say is that(besides that class of attention-seekers ofcourse) people maxing out don't really scream or shout.Ever seen Pumping-Iron?If you watch Arnold train he is quite noisy,especially around the last few reps.Now he is not conciously "shouting" per se.That's the groaning that escapes his mouth due to the intense pain he is in.I am not implying that we're all Arnold,but it certainly is possible to recreate that kinda intensity(in proportion to our own level of experience,obviously).
Take for example that your training your calves.You grind out set after set.your calves are screaming in agony.By the time you finish with your last set your calves feel like they're gonna explode!
Now I know this is a different type of pain and cannot be compared to being poked in the eye,but that is a stupid example in itself.Nobody "screams" beside the attention-seeker and maybe a powerlifter preparing himself for a big lift.but to belittle people making "ridiculous noises"(probably grunting) just becuse you don't use intensity enough/or have a different method of training
and saying that they're acting like someones poking needles into their eyes would only be irreverent and disrespectful.
Whether they are cool in my opinion or not shouldn't really affect anyone,i'd go far enough to say that it should be natural to any hardcore/hardass bodybuilder.

[spirit3530]

Screaming or making hissing sounds while lifting is ridiculous. If you have to do that to "psyche" yourself up I want you to know that its all mental. I just think its funny. If you tell yourself you have to sound like a cymbal getting tapped while lifting...I just laugh. Whatever you are drawing attention to yourself and people like to do that. Apes make noises too.

Focus on lifting the weight with proper breathing techniques and you wont make any ridiculous sounds.

[TJ Moray]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ronnie+coleman

Ronnie in this video likes a bit of working up before the lift!!

[spirit3530]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ronnie+coleman

Ronnie in this video likes a bit of working up before the lift!!

he shoots truckloads of drugs into his body...you gonna do that too.

[Anabolism1000]

Ronnie was powerlifting a big weight. Whatever it takes to get that load up is no problem.

[Big Natural]

Ever seen someone doing a bicep "body" curl, swinging the dumbell in the air, their whole body tensed up, throwing their back, legs, shoulders and everything else but the kitchen sink into it, all while letting out a ridiculous groan. Just one more oddly stupid thing I see people frequently doing at the gym.

[TJ Moray]

Ronnie was powerlifting a big weight. Whatever it takes to get that load up is no problem.

I really do not care whether people grunt/make noises or they don't, its just a link to an impressive lift...

[hithard]

I actualy get uncomfortable if I grunt. Sure I may be doing a fair amount of weight, but it doesn't need to sound like pig farm or someone trying to sqeeze one off

[TJ Moray]

he shoots truckloads of drugs into his body...you gonna do that too.

I think you mistake me for someone who grunts and makes noises and does so, because Ronnie Coleman finds the need. As above post it is just a link which may have been interesting for anyone who hasn't seen it. Obviously you already have...

[pelts]

Really don't care for yellers, but to each their own. I never thought of it being of benefit to have a spotter screaming at me for another rep, just breaks my concentration, I know what I have to do, but again whatever helps you. My philosophy, is shut up, and take the pain.

[-N-]

he shoots truckloads of drugs into his body...you gonna do that too.

How is the fact that he takes steroids related to the method he uses to psyche himself up before a big lift?

If you have to do that to "psyche" yourself up I want you to know that its all mental

It obviously is mental..."psyching up" would actually help you to focus better and get the adrenaline rushing if you do it correctly.

Focus on lifting the weight with proper breathing techniques and you wont make any ridiculous sounds.

proper form is a must..but your probably talking about yoga aren't you?

Whatever you are drawing attention to yourself and people like to do that

Even if you train in your own basement you might still be doing it if you feel you could do with some psyching up.I have a feeling you people are still stuck on the "attention-seeker" class we talked about.
And in the gym if your getting unwarrented "attention" its peoples fault as instead of concentrating really hard on what they're doing they feel the need to label you/laugh at you.Such people are doing no good themselves,probably sitting in the corner and reading the Wall Street Journal.Waiting to laugh at someone struggling to bring up that big weight for one last rep although his muscles maybe on fire.To sit and ridicule the groan that might escape his mouth.
But that stubborn hardass not give a **** about you.He does not look beyond his training,while in the gym.He does not care about his reputation with oldies or pussies who want the gym to resemble a church.Like I said this is ideal.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/animalpak43.htm(now if your goals are to go chick-hunting in the gym or you wanna "feel the pump" in your biceps before you hit the club,please ignore my posts).The is the real deal,for the real warriors(go on ..read the article,it's fun).

I actualy get uncomfortable if I grunt.

we really dont need to know your insecurities.

BOTTOMLINE:If you dont know what real intensity is,plug in your iPod and think about your breathing.Concentrate on it, and focus on it,and you wont feel the need to crib about that guy whos got some balls(we're not talking about the ones who intend on getting the attention,the "attention-seekers" ofcourse)The difference has been cleared many times already.

edit:To my friend pelts:
Agreed..to each his own."Just because you cant use enough intensity,dont belittle those using it"
AND YOUR POST SIR..IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS.YOUR "PHILOSOPHY" IS FLAWED BECAUSE IF YOU ARE ABLE TO SHUT UP AND TAKE THE PAIN THEN THAT IS A CLEAR INDICATION THAT YOUR "PAIN" ISN'T ENOUGH(unless ofcourse,your the average clubgoer,who just wansta feel the pump in his biceps).

[Big B]

I don't see how so many people on this board can think and say "screaming is annoying, and I think people are stupid for doing it" or something like that. Pretty much everyone on here agrees "Lift Big, Get Big" theory of training. You go into a serious gym where people are constantly pushing themselves to the limit and "Lifting Big" no matter what their weight/size/experience, your gonna see screaming. It comes with the territory, you wanna be one of the greats then you do what you must. Don't like it? Go to L.A. Fitness.

[-N-]

but it doesn't need to sound like pig farm or someone trying to sqeeze one off

Posts like this one are becoming boring now.Mindless rants.
You can portray it to look as bad/wierd as you like.I'd be happy to get some counter-points that actually may make sense(if you really have any).
Try not to post for the sake of posting,please.Don't post just to announce that you too have climbed onto the bandwagon.

[7Forty7]

Screaming or making hissing sounds while lifting is ridiculous. If you have to do that to "psyche" yourself up I want you to know that its all mental.

It's only ridiculous if the sole reason you are doing it is to draw attention to yourself. In this instance, yes, it's ridiculous. If, like me, you hiss or groan a little doing a balls-out set of squats at 2am with not ONE other person in the gym, because it helps you focus and get the weight up, then no, it's not ridiculous at all.

Yes, a lot of it's mental. Who said otherwise? Doing a hard lift at 99% 1RM is a mental exercise in a lot of ways.

I feel I need to say again - I'm not talking about screaming or yelling to draw attention. I'm talking about a bit of grunting as you expel air through and past the sticking point on big lifts.

he shoots truckloads of drugs into his body...you gonna do that too

I fail to see any relevance to the topic. This isn't an argument. Nor is the "yeah but he's Ronnie" line. Cause I probably exert myself as much squatting 450 as Ronnie does squatting 850. Even more so on the V-squat machine where I make all kinds of weird noises and come close to passing out from time to time. What's the difference?

[TheWatcher]

this bearded bastard at my gym screams on every single rep of every set he does, it is beyond annoying. it sounds like he's giving birth it isn't like he's lifting heavy or anything either,I distinctly remember him screaming while battling out reps using the 25's on dumbbell flies

[Charged]

what the fk has this got to do with the IFBB?

[Rambo26]

I generally don't mind, I'm glad people are training hard

yes some people scream when it's not needed but I don't exactly get this annoyed?

I make some noise sometimes, although nothing loud

[timmy47]

i've never felt the need to yell. i have meade noise before, like an rrrrrrrr type noise on the last rep or whatever or a grunt or something on some thing like cleans, just cuz it takes a lot out of me. but i agree that you better be lifting big to be yelling. some people though, its funny. ill see people using less weight than me being loud and im like

[-N-]

but i agree that you better be lifting big to be yelling. some people though, its funny. ill see people using less weight than me being loud and im like

Then he's either the so called attention-seeker or then just a lot weaker than you,trying to max out.If its the latter,its ok.Just because it dosent look very big dosen't mean that its not big for him.
Like I said..if people in your gym scream and moan then I have nothing but pity for you.But we're talking about grunting here(which also fits under "ridiculous noises")
So..For those of you that still have doubts,i'd need you to answer this simple question which will help me in clearing out your "confusion".
Watch Pumping-Iron(or you favourite Ronnie dvd).Now in Pumping-Iron,go to the part where they show Arnold training(just before the story on Franco).Watch him while he does his heavy T-bay rows.It should be clear even to the layman,that the last 5-6 reps would've been impossible for him withouth the loud grunts that escape his mouth due to the pain and intensity.
So are you trying to say that for the sake of being silent,he shoudn't have done them?Just for the sake of "not sounding like an animal in pain" should he have stopped when he just couldn't be silent anymore?sacrificed those last few reps which are actually the ones that are going to make his muscles grow?

What are you saying?

[jehst]

grunting/screaming helps you contract harder in core movements. its an anatomical fact