Is Kai Greene Still Natural???

**TheSheepdog** · 05-21-2006, 04:19 PM

Kai Greene was known as one of the great natural bodybuilders because of his dominance in the 90's when he dominated the WNBF, now that he's an IFBB pro do you thnk that he is still natural???

Do you think he was a natural during his dominance of the WNBF in the 90's. In the latest edition of Natural Bodybuilding Magazine they mention him as one of the great one's, but now that he's an IFBB pro it seems that his dominance and drug-free life in the WNBF is questionable (at least to me).

What are you guys thoughts on this?

Does anyone have any pics from his days in the WNBF?

**will-work4ANDRO** · 05-21-2006, 04:33 PM

http://www.musclephotos.com/prtfolio/greene/index.html

this claims he is

**will-work4ANDRO** · 05-21-2006, 04:37 PM

here is one of the quotes i found by him when asked about being natural

I�d like to get to a point where I am not considered natural by myself. When I say that I mean that I don�t want to fit within the guidelines of what other people feel it is to be natural. If people feel that natural bodybuilders usually are the ones who lack legs or have poor body parts or don�t train very hard or aren�t very strong or aren�t very intense, if that�s your perception of what a natural bodybuilder is, then that�s not what I want to be. If you accuse me of being on drugs because I�m very focused on what I do, because I�m very serious, because I�m very hungry, because I can squat 800 lbs, because I can bench 500 lbs, because I can press 315 behind my neck, and if these things don�t fit under what you consider to be natural, then I don�t want to be a natural. I don�t want to be what you depict as a natural. I want to define myself for me. For me I�m natural not because somebody else believes I�m natural, I�m natural because I don�t use steroids, I don�t use growth hormone, I don�t use any of those enhancers. I�m natural in my own right because I don�t do that and not because other people accept the fact that I�m natural or not.

**Wayneizgod** · 05-21-2006, 05:41 PM

I dont kno man..he is pretty friggen big if he is natural

**will-work4ANDRO** · 05-21-2006, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Wayneizgod

I dont kno man..he is pretty friggen big if he is natural

i believe him. who the hell am i to say he's not natural. i know what you're saying, but i'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

**DaEagles4Life** · 05-21-2006, 05:54 PM

Wow..what nipple rings

**CrimsonGolem** · 05-21-2006, 05:59 PM

I believe there are some honest people out there. And he's on the smaller end for a pro.

**j_neatherlin** · 05-21-2006, 06:30 PM

he turned pro at Team Universe a couple of years ago...his body doesn't seem like it's changed much since then, so I dunno. but then again, Team Universe "natural" isn't quite the same as WNBF "natural"

**TheSheepdog** · 05-21-2006, 06:34 PM

if he is then that is a great accomplishment to be on an ifbb stage

**kethnaab** · 05-21-2006, 07:32 PM

if he is natural, I'll eat my words, but that is the biggest cut belly I've ever seen on a 'natural'

**Superman1281** · 05-21-2006, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by will-work4ANDRO

http://www.musclephotos.com/prtfolio/greene/index.html

this claims he is

It's so hard to say these days, if sombody's natural or not. I claim that he isnt.

**AlxandrTheGreat** · 05-21-2006, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by will-work4ANDRO

here is one of the quotes i found by him when asked about being natural

I�d like to get to a point where I am not considered natural by myself. When I say that I mean that I don�t want to fit within the guidelines of what other people feel it is to be natural. If people feel that natural bodybuilders usually are the ones who lack legs or have poor body parts or don�t train very hard or aren�t very strong or aren�t very intense, if that�s your perception of what a natural bodybuilder is, then that�s not what I want to be. If you accuse me of being on drugs because I�m very focused on what I do, because I�m very serious, because I�m very hungry, because I can squat 800 lbs, because I can bench 500 lbs, because I can press 315 behind my neck, and if these things don�t fit under what you consider to be natural, then I don�t want to be a natural. I don�t want to be what you depict as a natural. I want to define myself for me. For me I�m natural not because somebody else believes I�m natural, I�m natural because I don�t use steroids, I don�t use growth hormone, I don�t use any of those enhancers. I�m natural in my own right because I don�t do that and not because other people accept the fact that I�m natural or not.

Sounds to me that he feels guilty about lying about something...

Anyone who goes off into a tangent like that...

DUH DUDE GET A CLUE, PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT DRUG USE NOT LIFTING HEAVY OR INTENSE... DUH THAT'S UNNATRUAL FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION........................................ .........................****!

**plugugly** · 05-22-2006, 02:30 PM

I agree...I am going to have to call BS on the natural thing. He sounds as if he is trying to split hairs. I have yet to see anyone with his size or thickness who has not used some substance which would prohibit them from honestly referring to themselves as natural. Either way...I could care less.

**yzrider400f** · 05-22-2006, 02:34 PM

Looks huge if he's natural, but it's definitely questionable .. Check out his peaks from the back dbl bi, crazy.

**bbjeff86** · 05-22-2006, 03:57 PM

I don't know, I think he could be natural. Maybe it's just me but he doesn't seem that impressive to me. He has some good size, but I think I've seen more impressive physiques at an NPC national qualifier I was at this weekend. And I know there not natural either, but I just don'g see this guy as being so freaky that he couldn't be natural.

**BODYBUILDER889** · 05-22-2006, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by bbjeff86

I don't know, I think he could be natural. Maybe it's just me but he doesn't seem that impressive to me. He has some good size, but I think I've seen more impressive physiques at an NPC national qualifier I was at this weekend. And I know there not natural either, but I just don'g see this guy as being so freaky that he couldn't be natural.

yeah, theres always the possibilty though kai isnt the biggest or the smallest guy but he's not olympia material either. for the olympia you need enhancement just to be a commentator.

**str8flexed** · 05-22-2006, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by armymuscle01

Kai Greene was known as one of the great natural bodybuilders because of his dominance in the 90's when he dominated the WNBF, now that he's an IFBB pro do you thnk that he is still natural???

Do you think he was a natural during his dominance of the WNBF in the 90's. In the latest edition of Natural Bodybuilding Magazine they mention him as one of the great one's, but now that he's an IFBB pro it seems that his dominance and drug-free life in the WNBF is questionable (at least to me).

What are you guys thoughts on this?

Does anyone have any pics from his days in the WNBF?

and you think people in this section will have the answer?????

**coldfusion71** · 05-22-2006, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by str8flexed

and you think people in this section will have the answer?????

i am pretty sure he was just looking to get different opinions, it is not something that you can actually answer only speculate.

**TeenBBer** · 05-22-2006, 10:15 PM

He must have amazing genetics to look like that, but I'm not saying it's impossible. Check out Rob Hope from the 2005 worlds....

http://www.pronaturalmuscle.com/rob%...%202/index.htm

**MisterDarnell** · 05-22-2006, 10:40 PM

Kai be a great friend. Is it true dat after the show he needed a ride to the airport and Bob told him, "you just won ten grand, get a cab dance boy," and drove off. Man that ain't right? Anyone got any info, post it.

**lukx** · 05-22-2006, 10:59 PM

nice

**belaglazov** · 05-23-2006, 12:03 AM

His lying about his lifts.

**TheSheepdog** · 05-23-2006, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by str8flexed

and you think people in this section will have the answer?????

i wasnt looking for a definite answer. If i would had went to any other section i wouldn't had got any response, so i figure this was the right section since it says "IFBB Pro Bodybuilding".

I was only looking for opinions and to spread the fact that Kai Greene is/was a Pro natural bodybuilder in the IFBB which is a plus for naturals everywhere.

**Oz_Rider** · 05-23-2006, 04:32 AM

wow... strong gheyness with the nipple rings... i would say it knocks off his symmetry

but seriously... natural or not who really cares, the dude has a killer physique anyone would be proud of... if he chooses to lie... or whether or not he is natural.. is really his problem and his problem alone.. dont you think??

**kethnaab** · 05-23-2006, 04:55 AM

well the thing is, there are a lot of people who *are* truly natural and it is tough to find a "role model" so to speak, which clearly defines the upper limits of "naturally developed"

i.e. I, as a non-steroid using guy, can't really look to Ronnie Coleman as "the guy I want to look like". It's obviously not going to happen without some pharmaceutical assistance.

Is Rob Hope fully natural? maybe, maybe not. i'm rooting for him if he is, because he looks phenominal. Is Kai Greene natural? Dunno. Maybe steroid free, but that is quite a large midsection for a ripped guy. Take a look at Layne's midsection, and then Kai Greene, and tell me the difference.

**j_neatherlin** · 05-23-2006, 04:56 AM

wow...it's surprising how hard it is for some of yall to understand the entire point of this thread....

**TheSheepdog** · 05-23-2006, 05:33 AM

[QUOTE=Oz_Rider]wow... strong gheyness with the nipple rings... i would say it knocks off his symmetry

but seriously... natural or not who really cares, the dude has a killer physique anyone would be proud of... if he chooses to lie... or whether or not he is natural.. is really his problem and his problem alone.. dont you think??

[/QUOT

wtf??

as a fan of bodybuilding i am asking...is that too much to understand.

it might be his problem, but as a fan i think it would be great to know that an IFBB Pro is natural, it gives hope to those guys who want to be natural a natural pro in the ifbb and it tells people that they can get a great physique naturally.

**TheSheepdog** · 05-23-2006, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by kethnaab

well the thing is, there are a lot of people who *are* truly natural and it is tough to find a "role model" so to speak, which clearly defines the upper limits of "naturally developed"

i.e. I, as a non-steroid using guy, can't really look to Ronnie Coleman as "the guy I want to look like". It's obviously not going to happen without some pharmaceutical assistance.

Is Rob Hope fully natural? maybe, maybe not. i'm rooting for him if he is, because he looks phenominal. Is Kai Greene natural? Dunno. Maybe steroid free, but that is quite a large midsection for a ripped guy. Take a look at Layne's midsection, and then Kai Greene, and tell me the difference.

yea, but kai has been lifting alot longer then Layne, plus genetically i'm sure they are quite different. Perhaps Kai goes bigger in the off-season then layne, there's too many questions marks on that statement.

**kethnaab** · 05-23-2006, 06:27 AM

the midsection size specifically. i.e. the belly.

**AangleN** · 05-23-2006, 12:47 PM

no, he isn't.

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