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    The Secret Service at Booker Elementary: The Dog That Did Not Bark

    9/11 White House press briefing:
    "The United States Secret Service immediately secured the President, the Vice President and the Speaker of the House, and they are all safe."
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    Okay, let's have a look at how the Secret Service reacted when President Bush was informed by Andrew Card that America was under attack:

    Video of President Bush's visit to Booker Elementary on 9-11

    RealVideo excerpt 7 MB
    QuickTime full video 25 MB


    The fictional Sherlock Holmes solved the crime in "Silver Blaze" by deducing it was the owner of the house who was the criminal. How did he know? Because the dog did not bark. The only person who could have committed the crime without arousing the dog was someone the dog knew as a friend, the dog's owner.

    Inspector Gregory: "Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"

    Holmes: "To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."

    "The dog did nothing in the night time"

    "That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.

    From "The Adventure of Silver Blaze" by Arthur Conan Doyle

    Now let us turn our Sherlockian logic on 9-11.

    Hijacked aircraft were wandering across the eastern half of the country. In theory no-one could have known how many planes had been hijacked. Two planes had crashed into the World Trade Center, Bush was at a publicised photo opportunity at Booker Elementary School, and there is an airport only four miles from this School.

    Florida Straits:
    Bush Presses Education Agenda in Sunshine State

    W A S H I N G T O N, Sept. 10 — President Bush headed to Florida today to push for quick passage of his education reforms as the flagging economy commands increasing attention back in the nation's capital.
    ABC NEWS

    Federal News 9/11 schedule

    The Sarasota Herald Tribune announced Bush's visit to Booker Elementary on September 8th, giving the 9-11 planners three days to include Bush as a target for a diving jetliner. Nobody could have safely assumed he was not a target.

    1913: Congress authorized permanent [Secret Service] protection of the President and the statutory authorization for President-elect protection.
    Secretservice.gov

    The Booker Elementary video shows the Secret Service did not rush in to remove the President to a secure location, or at least to the safety of the armored Presidential Limousine. That's their job. That's what they do in the case of a real surprise attack with many unknowns. They don't do anything else.

    But the Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

    Bush defenders try to explain Bush's inaction as his not wanting to upset the children. Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9-11" suggests Bush's inaction was due to his not being told to leave. But Michael Moore fails to follow that line of reasoning through to its logical conclusion; where were the people whose job it is to get the President to a place of safety in event of attack, the people who would have, SHOULD have, pulled Bush out of there, children and public appearances be damned!

    The Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

    If the events of 9-11 were truly a surprise to the United States Government then there is no way the Secret Service could have known there wasn't a hijacked or stolen plane heading towards Booker Elementary School that very second.


    Three Secret Service agents, a SWAT member, the Marine and Balkwill turned on the television in a nearby front office as United Airlines Flight 175 out of Boston crashed into the south tower.
    "We're out of here," the Marine told Balkwill. "Can you get everyone ready?"
    Sarasota Herald Tribune

    The Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

    The Secret Service should be in that video, but they are not. It is clear from their inaction that they KNEW FOR A FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS NOT A TARGET OF ONE OF THE HIJACKED PLANES. The intended targets of the planes had to have been known.

    The dog did not bark because the criminal was its master.

    Quod Erat Demonstradum, the Bush administration was part of the 9-11 plot.
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    Question

    Sigh, I'll ask the question that's never been answered every time this topic comes up: WHAT SHOULD THEY HAVE DONE AT THAT MOMENT?

    Knee-jerk react and run to . . . where? Some other building they had minimal or no knowledge of? With no installed communications or security support? Or maybe to Air Force One - a beautiful sitting duck full of jet fuel on a wide open airport tarmac?

    By the way, do you have any aerial shots that show how easy or difficult it would be to actually find that school from an aircraft? Do you maybe think that if local ATC showed an inbound aircraft, the motorcade could and would have been moved out of danger? But until then, the safest place was inside the school.

    Secret Service isn't wildly successful because they over-react to situations. They're successful because they carefully determine the best course of action, and then carry it out.
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    Originally Posted by nutsy54
    Sigh, I'll ask the question that's never been answered every time this topic comes up: WHAT SHOULD THEY HAVE DONE AT THAT MOMENT?
    Moved the President from where everybody with a newspaper knew he was.

    Knee-jerk react and run to . . . where? Some other building they had minimal or no knowledge of? With no installed communications or security support? Or maybe to Air Force One - a beautiful sitting duck full of jet fuel on a wide open airport tarmac?
    Or, gasp, take off in air force one?

    By the way, do you have any aerial shots that show how easy or difficult it would be to actually find that school from an aircraft?
    I'm still trying to figure out how Hani found the Pentagon, with no navigation skills. If you ask Shimmeh, he will tell you that you can just auto pilot the plane to the nearby airport.


    Do you maybe think that if local ATC showed an inbound aircraft, the motorcade could and would have been moved out of danger? But until then, the safest place was inside the school.
    There is an airport 4 miles away. There are all kinds of inbound aircraft.

    Secret Service isn't wildly successful because they over-react to situations. They're successful because they carefully determine the best course of action, and then carry it out.

    So, sitting in the spot that the terrorist had 3 days notice that he'd be at, whild an unknown number of planes are hijacked and flying into buildings on the east coast is the best course of action?


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    Which conspiracy site did you pick this up from?

    What would any sane human being do in front of a bunch of kids when something goes horribly horribly wrong...?

    Haha, is autopiloting an aircraft to an airport that out of the question? It was 2001, not the stone age. Handheld GPS devices are allowed on aircrafts.

    I'm willing to bet that airport is friggen tiny, as well.

    Maybe Flight 93 was going to go for the president? Oh noes!
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    Originally Posted by MAMMUT
    Which conspiracy site did you pick this up from?

    What would any sane human being do in front of a bunch of kids when something goes horribly horribly wrong...?
    Yes, because not scaring some kids is far more important than securing the President of the United states.


    There goes your self-proclaimed "common sense"
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    Free will?

    And you didn't refute my other statements...

    You already know you are right, though.
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    Originally Posted by MAMMUT
    Free will?
    No.

    And you didn't refute my other statements...

    You already know you are right, though.

    Your edit was done after my post genious.
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    Why not free will?

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    Originally Posted by BringtheNoise
    WMV video download (335kB)

    Okay, let's have a look at how the Secret Service reacted when President Bush was informed by Andrew Card that America was under attack:

    Video of President Bush's visit to Booker Elementary on 9-11

    RealVideo excerpt 7 MB
    QuickTime full video 25 MB


    The fictional Sherlock Holmes solved the crime in "Silver Blaze" by deducing it was the owner of the house who was the criminal. How did he know? Because the dog did not bark. The only person who could have committed the crime without arousing the dog was someone the dog knew as a friend, the dog's owner.




    Now let us turn our Sherlockian logic on 9-11.

    Hijacked aircraft were wandering across the eastern half of the country. In theory no-one could have known how many planes had been hijacked. Two planes had crashed into the World Trade Center, Bush was at a publicised photo opportunity at Booker Elementary School, and there is an airport only four miles from this School.



    ABC NEWS

    Federal News 9/11 schedule

    The Sarasota Herald Tribune announced Bush's visit to Booker Elementary on September 8th, giving the 9-11 planners three days to include Bush as a target for a diving jetliner. Nobody could have safely assumed he was not a target.



    Secretservice.gov

    The Booker Elementary video shows the Secret Service did not rush in to remove the President to a secure location, or at least to the safety of the armored Presidential Limousine. That's their job. That's what they do in the case of a real surprise attack with many unknowns. They don't do anything else.

    But the Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

    Bush defenders try to explain Bush's inaction as his not wanting to upset the children. Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9-11" suggests Bush's inaction was due to his not being told to leave. But Michael Moore fails to follow that line of reasoning through to its logical conclusion; where were the people whose job it is to get the President to a place of safety in event of attack, the people who would have, SHOULD have, pulled Bush out of there, children and public appearances be damned!

    The Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

    If the events of 9-11 were truly a surprise to the United States Government then there is no way the Secret Service could have known there wasn't a hijacked or stolen plane heading towards Booker Elementary School that very second.




    Sarasota Herald Tribune

    The Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

    The Secret Service should be in that video, but they are not. It is clear from their inaction that they KNEW FOR A FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS NOT A TARGET OF ONE OF THE HIJACKED PLANES. The intended targets of the planes had to have been known.

    The dog did not bark because the criminal was its master.

    Quod Erat Demonstradum, the Bush administration was part of the 9-11 plot.
    ahhahahahahahahahahaha people actually waste their time writing down and arguing about all this **** that happened years ago
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    Originally Posted by MAMMUT
    Haha, is autopiloting an aircraft to an airport that out of the question? It was 2001, not the stone age. Handheld GPS devices are allowed on aircrafts.
    Great, any evidence that they had handheld GPS devices with them?

    I'm willing to bet that airport is friggen tiny, as well.
    Well there were 6 nearby. I'll take the bet that at least one had terminals for 757's.
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    hahahaha got any evindence for all this **** thats coming out your mouth noise
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    Originally Posted by MAMMUT
    Why not free will?
    Free will to not move him because they know he's not a target. I guess that works.

    What's a genious?
    A genius when I'm typing fast and watching tv.
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    Originally Posted by payton34
    hahahaha got any evindence for all this **** thats coming out your mouth noise

    Hahahahaha, my initial post, which you quoted has several links in it.
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    Originally Posted by BringtheNoise
    Hahahahaha, my initial post, which you quoted has several links in it.
    haha i dont give a **** cuz i never come in here i was just bored and saw this and wondered why in the hell does anyone take time to write all that **** and btw i can post links too hahahahahahaa
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    Originally Posted by payton34
    haha i dont give a **** cuz i never come in here i was just bored and saw this and wondered why in the hell does anyone take time to write all that **** and btw i can post links too hahahahahahaa
    Perhaps you should look around then, before making yourself look stupid.
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    Originally Posted by nutsy54
    Sigh, I'll ask the question that's never been answered every time this topic comes up: WHAT SHOULD THEY HAVE DONE AT THAT MOMENT?

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    Yes, you have made this statement before just about every time this topic comes up,
    but people have thoroughly answered it. "Sigh"


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    What were they supposed to do in a situation like that?

    "Ok, we know that terrorists have hijacked a couple of commercial airplanes and flown them into the WTC buildings."

    The President is in a small remote school. "Let's freak out and get him the **** outta there before they crash a plane into us right now. No time to waste, not even 10 minutes to briefly conclude our duties here and now. We should lose our **** bounce!"

    Bush took off for the airport within a half hour of him learning the second plane had hit. He was airborn in another 20 minutes.

    I mean, hijacked commercial airliners aren't really a grave threat to the President at some random school. If he were in the Whitehouse for example, he would surely have been moved underground like Cheney and Rice were.

    But OH MY GOD!!! BUSH WAITED A FEW MINUTES WHILE HIS STAFF GOT THEIR **** TOGETHER BEFORE HITTING AF1! IT'S A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY!!*&$%#*#&$@&@&%$*!!*!!*!*!#%#%#!&!&!!#* #!*
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    I concur.

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    Originally Posted by A & B
    What were they supposed to do in a situation like that?
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    Originally Posted by Diana Ball
    President Bush:

    At 9:03, Flight 175 crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center. News of this traveled extremely rapidly. In fact, some of Bush’s Secret Service agents watched the second crash live on television in an adjacent schoolroom to that Bush was in. Bush and the others had already learned of the first plane hitting the World Trade Center on his ride over from the resort to the school.

    A few moments after the second crash, Andy Card whispered to Bush:
    “A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack.

    He could and arguably should have left Emma E. Booker Elementary School immediately, gotten onto Air Force One and left Sarasota without a moment’s delay ... But he didn’t. He could have, and should have, immediately assumed the role of Commander in Chief ... But he didn't. He should have, been concerned about his own safety and those around him - in a pre-publicized location ... But he wasn't.

    So what did the Commander in Chief do with the knowledge that the United States was under attack?

    He did nothing.

    Bush did not say one word. He did not ask Andy Card any questions. He did not ask anyone else ANY questions. He did not give any orders. He did not know who (or which country) was attacking, whether there would be more attacks, what military plans had been taken, what military actions should be taken- indeed, he knew virtually nothing about what was going on outside the room.

    He just sat there.

    And then he began reading kiddie stories.

    Even stranger, although the nation was under terrorist attack, for some reason, Secret Service agents did not hustle him away or even approach him.
    Why did the Secret Service allow Bush to complete his elementary school visit, apparently unconcerned about his safety or that of the schoolchildren in this pre-publicized location?

    Military pilots must have “permission from the White House because only the president has the authority to order a civilian aircraft shot down.” But if retaliatory strikes needed to the authorized, Bush was not available. If one of the planes had to be shot down to save more lives on the ground, Bush was not available. Although several fighters had been dispatched to defend New York City, the pilot of one of the planes flying to catch Flight 175 later noted that it wouldn’t have mattered if he caught up with it, because only Bush could order a shootdown, and Bush had more important duties -- reading kiddie stories to kiddies.

    Bush was not concerned because he already knew the plan well and knew it well-beforehand.
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    Originally Posted by A & B

    But OH MY GOD!!! BUSH WAITED A FEW MINUTES WHILE HIS STAFF GOT THEIR **** TOGETHER BEFORE HITTING AF1! IT'S A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY!!*&$%#*#&$@&@&%$*!!*!!*!*!#%#%#!&!&!!#* #!*
    A&B, how old are you? That is childish.



    Bush was told in two sentences, that the second building of the WTC was hit and that "America is under attack." And that was ALL he was told for another almost 20 minutes. But he fully knew that it was a grave and deadly situation on a large scale, but without seeking or being given ANY other details(supposedly).
    From that point and for at least 15 minutes later, he sat there and then read some children's stories. He didnt ask anyone any questions about what else was going, what more was known about the situation, how bad it was, What needed to be done, didnt begin to act as commander-in-chief, didnt have any concern for shootdown orders, didnt have any concern for his safety or the safety of those around him in an "attack on America". On top of that, knowing that other hijackings were taking place, the men with Bush had no concern to inform him of these situations. (as in, they didnt need to, he already knew)

    Think about what took place there for a minute. You dont find any of that strange? It is not only strange, but completely inconsistent with what any President would normally do after just being handed this shocking information for the first time. Bizarre isnt even a strong enough word to describe it. Bush knew.
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    Bush sat there with that blank look on his face for 20 minutes because he is a dope, not because he is part of some grand conspiracy. You guys are really grasping at straws now.
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    Originally Posted by coontang
    Bush sat there with that blank look on his face for 20 minutes because he is a dope, not because he is part of some grand conspiracy. You guys are really grasping at straws now.
    Are all of his SS agents dopes as well? I know plenty of idiots, and I can assure you all of them would get themselves out of harm's way.
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    Originally Posted by BringtheNoise
    Are all of his SS agents dopes as well? I know plenty of idiots, and I can assure you all of them would get themselves out of harm's way.
    But they weren't in harm's way. They weren't in a high profile target like a sky skraper or the capitol building. They were in a little school in Florida.
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    hahaha bright is still in here crying bout bush being president
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    Originally Posted by coontang
    But they weren't in harm's way. They weren't in a high profile target like a sky skraper or the capitol building. They were in a little school in Florida.

    Where the hijackers had a 3 day notice they were at. If there is an attack on the country, why would anybody think he wasn't in harm's way?
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    This has already been answered numerous times.

    The school was a secure location, it had been checked out by the Secret Service. There were secure communications set up in it. Rapidly moving the President at that time
    1 Would have lost him those secure communications
    2 Shown fear at a time when that was not the thing to do.
    3 Accomplished nothing, there was little chance of a hijacked plane getting close to the school.

    Dead subject only brought up because all of the other conspiracy theories have been thoroughly shot down. They are starting over again.
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    Originally Posted by etech
    This has already been answered numerous times.
    And the answers were all nonsensical or wrong.

    The school was a secure location, it had been checked out by the Secret Service. There were secure communications set up in it.
    None of which defends against a commercial airplane crashing into the building. Nor did they allow the President to inform himself of the situation as he sat in the classroom. If any planes needed to be shot down, he was the only able to give the order, however he couldn't because he was sitting in a classroom, isolated from the outside world.


    Rapidly moving the President at that time
    1 Would have lost him those secure communications
    No it wouldn't have, there are communications on Air Force One, not to mention he didn't use those communications. He sat in a classroom without even knowing what the situation was. He didn't communicate with anybody.

    2 Shown fear at a time when that was not the thing to do.
    How is getting up, and doing your job by getting out of harm's way, and getting informed about the situation showing fear? That is showing leadership.

    3 Accomplished nothing, there was little chance of a hijacked plane getting close to the school.
    How do you know that? Why was there little chance? Was Booker Elementary more secure than the ****ing PENTAGON!?
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    Bush wasn't moved as all planes were called out of the sky.

    Way to waste a thread.
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    Originally Posted by xer0xed
    Bush wasn't moved as all planes were called out of the sky.

    Way to waste a thread.
    Not while he was in the classroom. Way to waste a post.
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