Just had the wisdom teeth yanked out yesterday so im doing some research while i cant lift. Ive been lifting for over a year but only serious for about the past 4 months. Im on the 5x5 workout plan. I have changed my diet and have gained about 6-8 pounds over the past 2 weeks. Anyways im trying to gain weight and add mass and size. The only thing i am taking is centrum vitamins and gnc liquid protein. Any advice on which supps would be best? I would like to do some sort of stack. thanks.
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05-13-2006, 06:47 PM #1
Which supps for my bulking program?
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05-13-2006, 07:16 PM #3Originally Posted by Will H
If you want a weight gainer I recommend you make your own with whey, oats, peanut butter, fruit, milk, etc.
After you have the basics down I highly recommend you look into BCAA/EAA. They will greatly help with recovery and help you maintain and pack on lean body mass. I personally recommend scivation xtend, its one of the best recovery supplements on the market. The results that people have seen with xtend speak for themselves. We at scivation/primaforce recommend you take 0.17 grams x bodyweight of BCAA+20-40 grams of EAA from whey protein and start sipping 15 min pre workout and continue to sip throughout workout. If you can not afford this we recommend 1-3 servings sipped throughout day and workout.
Xtend Faq Thread with Reviews:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=787932New 5/3/1 Strength Journal:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=152156313&p=1031620863#post1031620863
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05-14-2006, 08:12 AM #10Originally Posted by Will H
Nutrition / Diet / Macros:Bulking:
Total daily calorie intake. This is what will make / break you
It is NOT efficient to try and lose fat AND gain muscle at the same time
BMR and nutrition calculator
Total Daily Protein Intake (for best results I recommend AROUND 2g per lb of bodyweight)
Foods (Good vs. Bad)
Unified Theory of Nutrition - by Will Brink
When bulking (a calorie surplus to gain lean muscle mass at a optimal rate), I aim for:What are some good indications that I'm gaining muscle... ?
- 1lb beef per day
- 1 Gallon Milk per day
- Around 2000 cals per day from oats
- Lots of protein shakes (up to 8 per day)
- Chicken / Turkey
- Beef / Sloppy Joes (manwich)
- Rice
- Pasta
- Tuna
- Potatoes
- Veggies (Fresh if possible)
If there was ONE SINGLE KEY to the gains I made in the 1 1/2 years when I went from 175-225 (my best.. leanest gains), it is OATS / STEEL CUT OATS ! The emphasis here is that oats are a INEXPENSIVE, HEALTHY, yet VERY CALORIE DENSE FOOD. I saw lean gains like I had never seen before. But NO THEY DON'T TASTE GOOD. YOU HAVE TO FORCE FEED THEM. This gets old fast. I added about 1 cup of oats to each protein shake.
Hungry Hungry Hormones
Massive Eating
Stretch Mark Mass
Mirror / AppearanceCutting:
Measurements
Strength
Bodyweight
When cutting (a calorie deficit to lose fat at a optimal rate):What it my basal metabolic rate ?
I eat many of the same foods above, but with a lower TOTAL DAILY CALORIE INTAKE
I put a emphasis on PRE- and POST-workout nutrition, and the end result is that most of my calories are eaten before my afternoon workout. I have found this to be ideal (for me).
Fullness Factor Chart 1
Fullness Factor Chart 2
Your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the energy used (measured in calories) by your body to perform basic functions, including internal energy expenditure, breathing, and body temperature. It is the number of calories your body would expend if you performed no physical activity throughout the day.Where can I learn more about the "Fatloss Basics ?"
Simply put... your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the rate at which your body burns calories while you rest. This is very important because we only have so much time for cardio each day.
BMR Calculator:
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/
What are some good indications that I'm losing fat... ?
Mirror / AppearanceSupplements:
Measurements
Bodyfat caliper
BodyweightWorkout / Routine:
SAVE $$$$$ ! ! STICK WITH THE BASICS:
Multivitamin
(Click here for a Multivitamin Comparison Chart)
10 lb bags of Optimum Whey Protein
(Great BCAA profile AND glutamine... Note: I recommend Choc / Choc Mint only)
Creapure Creatine or Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL or Magnesium Creatine Chelate
Fishoil / Essential Fatty Acids
Essential Amino Acids [Free Form Powder] pre-workout
Stay on creatine, there is no need to cycle it ! (cycling and loading are totally optional)
Creatine timing (when / how to take it):
Science behind creatine timing
In depth look at creatine
For best results, aim for AROUND 2g of total daily protein intake per lb of bodyweight EVERY SINGLE DAY ! !
Example:
Bodyweight: 200lbs
Total daily protein intake: 400g
Here is why:
Protein Prejudice
Protein intake studies
BCAA's / Leucine
I recommend a MAX-OT, 5x5, HST (or similar) routine with a EMPHASIS ON:Cardio:Squatting / Leg pressingBoth BB's and DB's for best results
Deadlifts
Barbell benchpress (Including flat / decline / incline)
Concentrate more on measurements and less on bodyweight
Weigh yourself once a week. Should gain (or lose) around 1lb per week (depending on goals).
Concentrate on form first, in order to stay injury free
Emphasize both range of motion, and mind-muscle connection
With intensity, strength gains, and a proper bodybuilding diet, the size gains (or fatloss) will come
Make sure and have a spotter when working out your major muscle groups, preferrably someone bigger than you
Don't be scared of overtraining. Simply listen (pay attention) to your body, and ask more questions later if you think you are overtraining.
Recovery (A.K.A GROWTH !):
If possible, do cardio at least 8 hours from when you lift weights
If possible, do cardio in the AM after sleeping.
No need to do cardio on a empty stomach, but many prefer to due to nausea
Jumping rope is a very efficient form of cardio
Sprinting is a very efficient form of cardio
HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) is a efficient form of cardio
With proper intensity MUST COME PROPER RECOVERY !
Make sure and get enough protein right before you go to sleep.
Make sure and get enough protein/carbs right when you wake up
Make sure and get enough deep, quality sleep (Not getting enough quality sleep is the #1 newbie mistake. You should aim for at least 8 QUALITY hours of sleep per night):
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...sleep_1_pr.htm
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...sleep_2_pr.htm
Make sure and get enough protein / calories on off days (This is when your body will be recovering) It is important to be consistent !
Make sure and get proper pre and post-workout nutrition:
Carbs pre and post workout.
Protein pre and post workout.
Creatine pre and post workout:
Pre, During, & Postworkout Nutrition (Click here)
Cell volumization:
Other Resources:
Make sure and drink enough water both throughout the day and during your workout (this is CRITICAL ! !) I drink about 1 liter per hour, and at least 3 liters during my workout. (Keep in mind I am currently over 240lbs so you may not need this much).
H2O / Cell Volumization... the ultimate supplement
Stretch Mark Mass !
The role of cellular hydration in the regulation of cell function
In depth look at creatine
Glycerine / Glycerol
Nitric Oxide
Good luck !
Rules, Information, and "Best Of" Threads Index
MCWTRAINER's SUPPLEMENT THREADS
The BB.COM Bible - By BIGNBUFF
Nutrient timing - By Halleluyah
If you have read this post and ALL the links provided and you still have a question or concern.. please E-Mail me and I'll get back to you as soon as possible:
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11+ Years Experience
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05-14-2006, 08:13 AM #11
Some quality brands / products that I recommend:
Creatine:
Green Bulge (caps)EAA / BCAA:
CVM Xtreme (powder)
Thunder (caps)
Vault (powder)
CellFuel (caps)
Xpand (powder)
Xpand Energized (caps)
Clout (powder)
Creapure (powder)
Swolen (powder)
Sizeon (powder)
Purple WRAATH - Grape (BCAA / EAA + Ergogenics)Fatloss / Thermogenics:
Bulk Leucine powder - Unflavored $25 per kilo
MRM BCAA+G - Lemonade (BCAA)
Xtend - Watermelon (BCAA)
Red AcidErgogenic / Stim:
BOLT Pure Ephedrine HCL 374 tabs $50
CNS Caffeine 200mg
7OH powder @ $3 per gram
Forskolin @ $ .50 per gram
Blue Up (Original)
Purple WRAATH - Grape (BCAA / EAA + Ergogenics)Whey Isolate:
Red Acid
PowerJolt
StimX
CNS Caffeine
Ergopharm AMP
Black Star Labs - WatermelonWhey Concentrate / Blend:
Ergopharm I-PRO - Rasberry
Ergopharm I-PRO - Cherry
Syntrax Nectar - Fuzzy Navel
Optimum Nutrition - Chocolate (includes Aminogen)Casein Protein:
Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey - Chocolate Mint (includes Aminogen)
Dymatize - Orange
MilkWeight Gainer / Carbohydrate:
Cottage Cheese
Yogurt
PalatinoseTestosterone / Hormone support during a cutting phase:
Oats
Steel Cut Oats
Peanut Butter
Almonds
Whey
Milk
NOW Foods Maltodextrin (last resort)
Yogurt
Swolen
Infusion
Blue Up (Stim Free) if using Ephedrine / Red AcidDigestion / Enzymes / PhytoNutrients:
Blue Up (Original) if using as a standalone
Diesel Test
Raw Test
Nettle Root Extract
DIM
YogurtEFA's (Essential Fatty Acids)
Spirulina
NOW Super Enzymes
Aminogen
DIM
Ginger
Optimum FishoilMultivitamin:
KAL Fishoil
NOW ADAM (includes ZMA)Sleep Aids:
NOW ADAM (includes ZMA)Nitric Oxide Precursors / Extreme Cell Volumization:
Optimum Nutrition Melatonin
NOW NightTime Herbs
NOW 5-HTP
White Blood
GlycerGrow
White Blood
NOW AAKG 3500
ErgoPharm 1-NO
GH Max
130lbs to 250lbs on a budget:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=656557
More Detailed info on what has worked for me so far:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=478824
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=608116
Progress Photos:
http://technologyorgasm.com/upload/130-248.jpg
I've tried almost everything:
http://technologyorgasm.com/upload/stash.jpg
Good luck !Free agent
Research and Development Consultant
11+ Years Experience
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