training for purely size/athestics etc, does anyone else think that deads is all you really need for back thickness? I'm kinda starting to think this, and my time would be better spent doing pull ups and variations than rows.
Does anyone skip the rows and just do deads+ pull ups etc?
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06-05-2009, 06:57 AM #1
Deadlifts - all you need for back thickness?
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06-05-2009, 07:11 AM #2
Considering the size and function of the back, I've always felt it needs to be worked from three directions; a pull from overhead, a pull from the front, and a pull from the floor.
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06-05-2009, 07:18 AM #6
yeah, my 'problem' is i've got a very strong back both in terms of weight and appearence (compartively that is). hence, i'm thinking of dropping rows for other excercise.
but yeah, probably wont. just wondering is anyone else has done this and to what effect?
nah, he'll just say that close grip deadlifts work the inner fibres of the backLast edited by entropy1; 06-05-2009 at 07:21 AM.
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06-05-2009, 07:23 AM #9
this is what i'm currently doing actually, right now i'm doing wide hammer grip cable rows with highish reps (10ish)
this is the bar
I dunno, I'm just a big fan of rows and felt obligated to defend them when you said you're thinking of dropping them.Last edited by entropy1; 06-05-2009 at 07:25 AM.
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06-05-2009, 07:24 AM #10
No, infact I would say it's the other way around. You don't really need deads, heavy barbell rows (deadlift the first rep off the floor) and seated pulley rows along with vertical pulls, will work the back very well. Deads use a lot of the glute and thigh musculature, rows/pulls work the back more directly. And heavy rows work lower back too.
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Wed - Biceps
Thurs - Triceps
Fri - Biceps
Sat - Triceps
Sun - Rest
You can't see back and legs, don't waste your time with that nonsense!
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06-05-2009, 08:47 AM #15
I had the opposite problem, when I started--I was a twig, with no upper-body mass, at all. No lower body mass either, but that's beside the point. I've always pretty much had to include pulls from all three directions.
As far as what's appropriate for you and your training, there's only one way to know--try some different approaches. 'Priority' training is the smart way to go; do what suits your strong points, and weak points, to the exclusion of what's "acceptable." to others.
BTW; good on ya for studying veterinary medicine.No brain, no gain.
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06-05-2009, 09:20 AM #16
DUDE! Don't skip rows! If you ain't row'n that back ain't grow'n! I've PACKED on a lot of mass on my back because of rows. I'd skip the pull-ups instead of the rows.
if you want to limit your back workout for whatever reason i would suggest:
Deads
Shrugs
Rows
a bent over barbell row works a lot of stability muslces because your standing up and bent over. a dumbell row doesn't have as much benefit because your bracing yourself with the un-used hand. Anybody with a monster back will vouch for the benefits of rows.
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06-05-2009, 03:08 PM #20
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All I do for back are deadlifts and weighted pullups. If I had time I'd add some rows but my back is doing fine without them.
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06-05-2009, 04:27 PM #24
I like one arm BO db rows for this reason. Nainoa put me on to these to help rehab my shoulder-strengthening/stabilizing the shoulder girdle. It's amazing how much meat they packed on to my lats alone. They are tough, as you have to hold your form tight, but what exercises that isn't tough is beneficial?
EDIT: I feel you need rows more than any other back exerciseLast edited by Skwidward; 06-05-2009 at 04:29 PM.
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