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[matt]

I am a 17 year old footbal player in my junior year. I need to gain about 20 (or am hoping to) pounds of muscle this off season.... I was wondering if anyone had any suggestion of supplements but....I have to to stay at around 10-12% body fat because last year I bulked up and then went to cut lost a ton of size and strength while still eating a **** load of protein so I am not going to bulk to much higher than 13 % body fat..but rather stay in good shape and gain LEAN muscle mass. I am taking protein (GNC 100% whey) and ZMA and need somehting else to my stack....and the last thing....PLEASE DONT SAY TAKE CREATINE..I UNDERSTAND ALL THE BIO BEHIND IT AND HAVE TAKEN It FOR 5 CYCLES...over the last few years...all it did was make me bloated and fat. And after I got off went down like mad in strength while working my ass od in the weight room.... So any new fairly economical supplements i dont knwo about or are proven to add lean muscle ???

[TheAgnos1]

I agree with you 100 % on the creatine. I took it for a couple of cycles and I wasn't pleased with the effects it gave me. I got off and my strength went down some. But I took Testatropinol liquid stacked with HGF-1 and it boosted my strength up way beyond what it was when I was on creatine. Testatropinol and HGF-1 is a good stack, but now there are even better products, like 1-AD stacked with 4-AD. I'm about to start a 6wk cycle of 300mg of 1-AD and 600mg of 4-AD. Everyone on the board loves this stack. I've heard nothing but great things too. You might want to give it a try. Also, at the end of that 6wk cycle, I'm adding some ZMA and some 6-OXO.

-AGNOS

[matt]

Hey thanx but I am not sure I want to take 1-AD because it is a prohormone and I dont know if I want to be taking any until maybe im 19. I have heard of a lotta kids my age that have taken it and had really bad acne and were impotent for a couple months. That would not make me real happy. So I was wondering...is there ways to prevent this or any other non prohormone supplements I could take that would be better than creatine and non rediculously expensive..??

[TheAgnos1]

I'm 17 too man. Prohormones can give you some side effects, but they aren't as bad as you think. The acne occurs because of the increase in testosterone the prohormones provide. But the acne isn't that severe. Its actually not bad at all, especially if you was your face at least 2-3 times a day. Temporary impotence can occur after the cycle for maybe a couple of days or at most a week. This happens because after you quit using prohormones, your body has to get back its original test level. After you come off a cycle, your test level drops some. Temporary impotence can be avoided very easily by just using some 6-OXO at the end of your cycle. 6-OXO will bring your natural test level up to normal again very quickly. These are basically the only negative side effects that CAN, but prob won't occur. Just don't exceed the dosage.

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[freshman]

you've been taking creatine for five years and your only 17, holy ****, prohormones will make you get big fast, but i wouldn't start using them until 21+ when your test dropes, sometimes ur test levels don't get back to normal

[dave21]

Is 1-AD really worth it? I'm 22 and never tried it before? Any advice?