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    What Is Best For Me

    Ok

    I Jus Order 100% Whey Protein From Bodybuilding So i will be takin it soon

    Cause i am a buck 60 standin at 6'1 ...I have a Trouble Gainin weight been the same for like 5 years now i'm 18 years old if that matters

    I read on Here the best ways on gettin weight pput on ,But thats them I dont know about me

    I eat And i eat and more eat .I really dont look at carbs and Calories,,but today i started count
    I ate 2886 calories .I normally dont eat that much cause aint got much money to buy alot of food to eat like that a day and and i ate like 142 carbs


    i'ma at least try to eat 1500 calories a day hopefully

    i posted all that Jus so u know i aint a guy who jus post questions and be done ...Heres my question tho

    MuscleTech® CELL-TECH™ -
    Is that a good creatine for gainin weight ...Now ??

    ok I got another question about the protein i listed earlier

    I've read on the site that u need a gram of protein per body weight

    now if so How would i do that what would be the best

    Drink so much in the mornin and then so much at night or what ...?? ur help will be appreciated thanks
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    ur help will be appreciated thanks

    A few ideas and links that MIGHT help:

    Nutrition / Diet / Macros:

    Total daily calorie intake. This is what will make / break you

    It is NOT efficient to try and lose fat AND gain muscle at the same time

    BMR and nutrition calculator

    Total Daily Protein Intake (for best results I recommend AROUND 2g per lb of bodyweight)

    Foods (Good vs. Bad)

    Unified Theory of Nutrition - by Will Brink
    Bulking:
    When bulking (a calorie surplus to gain lean muscle mass at a optimal rate), I aim for:

    - 1lb beef per day
    - 1 Gallon Milk per day
    - Around 2000 cals per day from oats
    - Lots of protein shakes (up to 8 per day)
    - Chicken / Turkey
    - Beef / Sloppy Joes (manwich)
    - Rice
    - Pasta
    - Tuna
    - Potatoes
    - Veggies (Fresh if possible)

    If there was ONE SINGLE KEY to the gains I made in the 1 1/2 years when I went from 175-225 (my best.. leanest gains), it is OATS / STEEL CUT OATS ! The emphasis here is that oats are a INEXPENSIVE, HEALTHY, yet VERY CALORIE DENSE FOOD. I saw lean gains like I had never seen before. But NO THEY DON'T TASTE GOOD. YOU HAVE TO FORCE FEED THEM. This gets old fast. I added about 1 cup of oats to each protein shake.

    Hungry Hungry Hormones

    Massive Eating

    Stretch Mark Mass
    What are some good indications that I'm gaining muscle... ?
    Mirror / Appearance
    Measurements
    Strength
    Bodyweight
    Cutting:
    When cutting (a calorie deficit to lose fat at a optimal rate):

    I eat many of the same foods above, but with a lower TOTAL DAILY CALORIE INTAKE

    I put a emphasis on PRE- and POST-workout nutrition, and the end result is that most of my calories are eaten before my afternoon workout. I have found this to be ideal (for me).

    Fullness Factor Chart 1
    Fullness Factor Chart 2
    What it my basal metabolic rate ?
    Your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the energy used (measured in calories) by your body to perform basic functions, including internal energy expenditure, breathing, and body temperature. It is the number of calories your body would expend if you performed no physical activity throughout the day.

    Simply put... your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the rate at which your body burns calories while you rest. This is very important because we only have so much time for cardio each day.

    BMR Calculator:
    http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/
    Where can I learn more about the "Fatloss Basics ?"
    What are some good indications that I'm losing fat... ?
    Mirror / Appearance
    Measurements
    Bodyfat caliper
    Bodyweight
    Supplements:

    SAVE $$$$$ ! ! STICK WITH THE BASICS:

    Multivitamin
    (Click here for a Multivitamin Comparison Chart)
    10 lb bags of Optimum Whey Protein
    (Great BCAA profile AND glutamine... Note: I recommend Choc / Choc Mint only)
    Creapure Creatine or Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL or Magnesium Creatine Chelate
    Fishoil / Essential Fatty Acids
    Essential Amino Acids [Free Form Powder] pre-workout

    Stay on creatine, there is no need to cycle it ! (cycling and loading are totally optional)

    Creatine timing (when / how to take it):

    Science behind creatine timing
    In depth look at creatine

    For best results, aim for AROUND 2g of total daily protein intake per lb of bodyweight EVERY SINGLE DAY ! !

    Example:

    Bodyweight: 200lbs
    Total daily protein intake: 400g

    Here is why:

    Protein Prejudice
    Protein intake studies
    BCAA's / Leucine
    Workout / Routine:
    I recommend a MAX-OT, 5x5, HST (or similar) routine with a EMPHASIS ON:
    Squatting / Leg pressing
    Deadlifts
    Barbell benchpress
    (Including flat / decline / incline)
    Both BB's and DB's for best results

    Concentrate more on measurements and less on bodyweight

    Weigh yourself once a week. Should gain (or lose) around 1lb per week (depending on goals).

    Concentrate on form first, in order to stay injury free

    Emphasize both range of motion, and mind-muscle connection

    With intensity, strength gains, and a proper bodybuilding diet, the size gains (or fatloss) will come

    Make sure and have a spotter when working out your major muscle groups, preferrably someone bigger than you

    Don't be scared of overtraining. Simply listen (pay attention) to your body, and ask more questions later if you think you are overtraining.
    Cardio:

    If possible, do cardio at least 8 hours from when you lift weights

    If possible, do cardio in the AM after sleeping.

    No need to do cardio on a empty stomach, but many prefer to due to nausea

    Jumping rope is a very efficient form of cardio

    Sprinting is a very efficient form of cardio

    HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) is a efficient form of cardio
    Recovery (A.K.A GROWTH !):

    With proper intensity MUST COME PROPER RECOVERY !

    Make sure and get enough protein right before you go to sleep.

    Make sure and get enough protein/carbs right when you wake up

    Make sure and get enough deep, quality sleep (Not getting enough quality sleep is the #1 newbie mistake. You should aim for at least 8 QUALITY hours of sleep per night):

    http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...sleep_1_pr.htm
    http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...sleep_2_pr.htm

    Make sure and get enough protein / calories on off days (This is when your body will be recovering) It is important to be consistent !

    Make sure and get proper pre and post-workout nutrition:

    Carbs pre and post workout.
    Protein pre and post workout.
    Creatine pre and post workout:
    Pre, During, & Postworkout Nutrition (Click here)


    Cell volumization:

    Make sure and drink enough water both throughout the day and during your workout (this is CRITICAL ! !) I drink about 1 liter per hour, and at least 3 liters during my workout. (Keep in mind I am currently over 240lbs so you may not need this much).

    H2O / Cell Volumization... the ultimate supplement
    Stretch Mark Mass !
    The role of cellular hydration in the regulation of cell function
    In depth look at creatine
    Glycerine / Glycerol
    Nitric Oxide
    Other Resources:Good luck !
    If you have read this post and ALL the links provided and you still have a question or concern.. please E-Mail me and I'll get back to you as soon as possible:

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    Some quality brands / products that I recommend:

    Creatine:
    Green Bulge (caps)
    CVM Xtreme (powder)
    Thunder (caps)
    Vault (powder)
    CellFuel (caps)
    Xpand (powder)
    Xpand Energized (caps)
    Clout (powder)
    Creapure (powder)
    Swolen (powder)
    Sizeon (powder)
    EAA / BCAA:
    Purple WRAATH - Grape (BCAA / EAA + Ergogenics)
    Bulk Leucine powder - Unflavored $25 per kilo
    MRM BCAA+G - Lemonade (BCAA)
    Xtend - Watermelon (BCAA)
    Fatloss / Thermogenics:
    Red Acid
    BOLT Pure Ephedrine HCL 374 tabs $50
    CNS Caffeine 200mg
    7OH powder @ $3 per gram
    Forskolin @ $ .50 per gram
    Blue Up (Original)
    Ergogenic / Stim:
    Purple WRAATH - Grape (BCAA / EAA + Ergogenics)
    Red Acid
    PowerJolt
    StimX
    CNS Caffeine
    Ergopharm AMP
    Whey Isolate:
    Black Star Labs - Watermelon
    Ergopharm I-PRO - Rasberry
    Ergopharm I-PRO - Cherry
    Syntrax Nectar - Fuzzy Navel
    Whey Concentrate / Blend:
    Optimum Nutrition - Chocolate (includes Aminogen)
    Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey - Chocolate Mint (includes Aminogen)
    Dymatize - Orange
    Casein Protein:
    Milk
    Cottage Cheese
    Yogurt
    Weight Gainer / Carbohydrate:
    Palatinose
    Oats
    Steel Cut Oats
    Peanut Butter
    Almonds
    Whey
    Milk
    NOW Foods Maltodextrin (last resort)
    Yogurt
    Swolen
    Infusion
    Testosterone / Hormone support during a cutting phase:
    Blue Up (Stim Free) if using Ephedrine / Red Acid
    Blue Up (Original) if using as a standalone
    Diesel Test
    Raw Test
    Nettle Root Extract
    DIM
    Digestion / Enzymes / PhytoNutrients:
    Yogurt
    Spirulina
    NOW Super Enzymes
    Aminogen
    DIM
    Ginger
    EFA's (Essential Fatty Acids)
    Optimum Fishoil
    KAL Fishoil
    Multivitamin:
    NOW ADAM (includes ZMA)
    Sleep Aids:
    NOW ADAM (includes ZMA)
    Optimum Nutrition Melatonin
    NOW NightTime Herbs
    NOW 5-HTP
    White Blood
    Nitric Oxide Precursors / Extreme Cell Volumization:
    GlycerGrow
    White Blood
    NOW AAKG 3500
    ErgoPharm 1-NO
    GH Max



    130lbs to 250lbs on a budget:
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=656557

    More Detailed info on what has worked for me so far:
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=478824
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=608116

    Progress Photos:
    http://technologyorgasm.com/upload/130-248.jpg

    I've tried almost everything:
    http://technologyorgasm.com/upload/stash.jpg


    Good luck !
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    is this a auto thing?

    Cause all i need is them two answers to them questions

    i asked about cel tec cause its in gnc near me and its easy gettin
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    Originally Posted by NeedWeight
    is this a auto thing?
    Almost
    Originally Posted by NeedWeight
    all i need is them two answers to them questions

    i asked about cel tec cause its in gnc near me and its easy gettin
    Ok.. for best results, I don't recommend anything "Tech" and I don't recommend GNC.
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    Originally Posted by NeedWeight
    is this a auto thing?

    Cause all i need is them two answers to them questions

    i asked about cel tec cause its in gnc near me and its easy gettin
    I wish it was auto...every new member should have to read this first and then take a test
    Alot of great info there.thats where i would start to get your answers. You'll learn alot
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    Well thank u for answer so quickly ....So what is the top the very top cheapest creatine ....i seen ur list is they in order? and how bout that whey answer
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    Well thank u for answer so quickly ....So what is the top the very top cheapest creatine ....i seen ur list is they in order? and how bout that whey answer
    A good cheap creatine is Creapure

    A good cheap GNC creatine is Prolab Creapure

    Protein / Whey protein info is included above, and that info will easily get you on the right track.
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    I absolutly apprectaite the quick answers guys...But will the one for the protein be in the links or could u maybe tell me ?


    well if u read this before i edited ...sorry didnt see the answer bout whey sorry
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    Creatine Monohydrate

    I heard it has a big percentage on not workin for all users...is that true?
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    ---i'ma at least try to eat 1500 calories a day hopefully---


    Im gonna say that is your biggest problem why your not gaining weight right there.
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    Originally Posted by NeedWeight
    Creatine Monohydrate

    I heard it has a big percentage on not workin for all users...is that true?
    No, not at all
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    Originally Posted by pu12en12g
    No, not at all
    it does work for some. but from my own experience i see little to no positive effects from mono. i get bloat and cramps when i use it, cee is superior and honestly isnt that much more in price either. i would opt for cee anyday over mono, but everyone is different, i had to try tons of creatines before i found out which one worked best for me.
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    Im gonna say that is your biggest problem why your not gaining weight right there.


    ..

    Umm do u still think i can add about 15-30 lbs in a month and a half

    on crepture,100% whey and multiviatamin?/ and i work out and eat as much as i can ?
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    Originally Posted by NeedWeight
    umm do u still think i can add about 15-30 lbs in a month and a half

    on crepture,100% whey and multiviatamin?/ and i work out and eat as much as i can ?
    I think 15lbs is possible... not sure about 30
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    Originally Posted by NeedWeight
    Im gonna say that is your biggest problem why your not gaining weight right there.


    ..

    Umm do u still think i can add about 15-30 lbs in a month and a half

    on crepture,100% whey and multiviatamin?/ and i work out and eat as much as i can ?
    theres no way you can gain that much solid muscle in that litte time, but you deffinitly will gain some as long as you do things right.
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    solid muscle not worried ..I jus want to look good u know...i dont want to bones anymore ...and i think about 20 lbs will do that for me


    I can care less about solid muscle i will work out for looks...that aint bad is it lol
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    i'm sorry but did you say you are gonna try to eat 1500 calories while gaining weight? i dont' think that's gonna be possible.
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    haha i just saw that your 160. im sure your bodyfat is very low, you could afford to gain a little fat. just take in a **** load of calories a day and lift your ass off. i gained 27 lbs on my last bulk, but that did take me like 6 months, but i was worried about fat gain. i was able to gain all that weight and keep a 4 pack, as long as you do it right, youll get the results you want.
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    ^damn i didnt even see that. when i was bulking i was trying to hit 4,000-4,500 EVERYDAY. man 1,500 calories a day will make you lose muscle/fat like crazy!! i would imagine your body would need somewhere like 2,700-2,800 for maintainence, thats not even to gain weight man, you need to get your diet on lock down.
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    Man that is gonna be super hard ...i live in a house of 7 abnd oonly 400 dollars in foodstamp...so they whey protein and creatine wont help get weight at all...well why dont they come out with a calorie formula ..it make alot of sense wouldnt it ?
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    Man that is gonna be super hard ...i live in a house of 7 abnd oonly 400 dollars in foodstamp...so they whey protein and creatine wont help get weight at all...well why dont they come out with a calorie formula ..it make alot of sense wouldnt it ?

    house of 7 and only 400 bucks in foodstamp... dayum.... that would indeed be hard, i agree..


    Do you have a part time job maybe? Work at a fast food place or something.. At least that way you get plenty of calories..
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    thats a good idea. if you get a cool job they will let you eat whatever you want. i worked at mc **** when i was like 16 and ate grilled chicken like a mofo
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    No no job at the moment was workin but not now...But foreal the whey and and the creatine wont work?
    Do they got a calorie formula lol
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    well theres always high calorie protein but theres a lot of sugar in most of them. just buy a **** load of oats and eat them like crazy!! thats the best advice i could give you. make your own homemade shakes with
    1 scoop whey
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    1 tbsp peanut butter
    1 cup milk
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    Now when u say Whey ? u mean the protein u buy at gnc and **** they aint like another product u buy at wal-mart or save alot thats food that u mix with stuff like i dont know vinager u know whhere i'm tryin to get at its a condiment i belive??


    Ok now the shake details u listed ....I could do that every day...That will put weight on me right and plus the other food i eat ...that will tally up to a good 2000 calories right?
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    wal mart does have protein but its not so great as you could imagine. to tell you the complete truth, your not gonna gain off 2,000 calories either buddy. i realize its gonna be hard for you with your situation and stuff but if you want to gain you have to eat. i just though of a solution, but i cant type it in here, check your pm in like 1 min.
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