Red Acid v. EC stack

naturalanimal · 05-02-2006, 10:50 PM

okay the two main options im looking into for my cutting phase are

A. Controlled labs Red Acid
b. Biotek Ephedrine and Prolab 200mg Caffeine

which would be best.

Coulaid · 05-02-2006, 10:59 PM

There both great stims. Have you taken stims before. I can't wait to try my red acid this summer.

Both are great. If it's your first time i would stick with red acid and see how your body reacts to a stim before you jump into ec.

naturalanimal · 05-02-2006, 11:11 PM

thank you very much, thats pretty much what i was thinking, and to answer your earlier question yes, i have taken stims, but not a whole lot so i was leaning towards Red Acid anyway. Thanks for the advice and good luck with your red acid this summer!

DejaBlue55 · 05-02-2006, 11:49 PM

Run the RA and E at the same time... RA has C in it...

young_squatter · 05-03-2006, 06:17 AM

Personally I dont recommed stims to anyone under 21, but its personal preference. Out of those two I would go with Red Acid.

in10city · 05-03-2006, 06:33 AM

If you've never taken E-C before, the RA will probably be more better tolerated.

That said, using E-C gives you the option of adding and removing additional components as you see fit - which may or may not even be necessary depending on your goals.

naturalguy · 05-03-2006, 06:36 AM

For fat loss there is nothing on the market that comes close to EC

sothrowedmex · 05-03-2006, 07:24 AM

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For fat loss there is nothing on the market that comes close to EC

Yea thats true. my ex was on Lipodrene.. she reached her goal in no time at all. Ephedrine really workds. I started to take red acid but had to stop it made me feel like my heart was gonna bust out my chest. made my heart beat too fast and i was still barely assessing the tolerance. I didnt like it. guess it just didnt hit me right.I still have more than half the bottle left. Im not going to use it anymore either.

edvanp · 05-03-2006, 07:46 AM

I like the Red Acid. I'm not following directions though. Instead of taking 3 first thing in the a.m., then taking 3 before I work out, I take 2 before each meal. To test ones' tolerance, take 1 30 min. before each meal. If there isn't a problem, then try 2 prior to each meal. I have gone off it on the weekends and I haven't have any ill effects.

user34566548717114 · 05-03-2006, 07:54 AM

E/C has been proven again and again...However, it is not without its faults like losing the ability to fall asleep and feeling like a speed addict lol....

Also using E/C 3x a day will cause a rapid downregulation of its effects (esp on workout intensity) which is a HUGE drawback.....

If I were you? Heres what I would do, give red acid a try see how it makes you feel its still very early in the cutting season, if your intensity in the gym is through the roof and your diet is in check then its doing an A+ job....overtime if you a boost I'd stop the redacid cycle and take (25mg Ephedrine w/200mg caffeine 20 minutes preworkout)...I prefer the stand of using E/C sparingly as its actual thermo boost isn't that impressive, what makes it work is primarly its anorexic effects (makes dieting MUCH easier, easy to eat healthy and avoid high sugar yum yum foods if your not hungry), and its increased energy feel which can be utilized for MUCH more intense workouts (thus burning more calories activing more lean mass yada yada)...

dito · 05-03-2006, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chronicdrummer9

Run the RA and E at the same time... RA has C in it...

Red Acid and ephedrine should not be taken together.

johnnyironboard · 05-03-2006, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dvv

Also using E/C 3x a day will cause a rapid downregulation of its effects (esp on workout intensity) which is a HUGE drawback.....

I've seen 6 month studies that showed fat loss kept on going. After trial and error I use EC twice a day for a longer cycle-usually taking the same amount of E as I would have going shorter and 3X per day.

jdiritto · 05-03-2006, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dito

Red Acid and ephedrine should not be taken together.

care to elaborate?

primerking · 05-03-2006, 08:33 AM

I'm on an ECA stack right now...I' recommend it to anyone who CAN take it...If you can handle it go for it...to me it's the one true "fat incincerator"

I've been on for just under 2 weeks...I'm always enrgetic, always "satisfied" as far as food intake, and the lbs are dropping...I'll be continuing for a 3 week ECA stack, and then 2 weeks of sesamin/cla/camphibolic.

dito · 05-03-2006, 09:31 AM

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care to elaborate?

There is already enough compounds in red acid. You don't need to add in something else that is so strong. When you have that many compounds in one product, you don't know how they may work together. Better to error on the safe side.

Stonecoldtruth · 05-03-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dito

There is already enough compounds in red acid. You don't need to add in something else that is so strong. When you have that many compounds in one product, you don't know how they may work together. Better to error on the safe side.

I've used both products with success, but I don't recommend using the two together either. Both are powerful products, and don't NEED to be stacked with each other.

Some products to stack with RA:
Sesamin
Melting Point (my next stack)
Basic Cuts (if you can handle the caffeine)

Some products to stack with EC:
A
Y (some harsh sides)
Nothing else really needed here.

dito · 05-03-2006, 09:42 AM

Aye, more is not always better.

Stonecoldtruth · 05-03-2006, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dito

Aye, more is not always better.

Confucious-dito!

pu12en12g · 05-03-2006, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by naturalanimal

thank you very much, thats pretty much what i was thinking, and to answer your earlier question yes, i have taken stims, but not a whole lot so i was leaning towards Red Acid anyway. Thanks for the advice and good luck with your red acid this summer!

Let us know how it works for you

One thing I recommend stacking with Red ACID is Carnitine: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=629536

Mr. Aries · 05-03-2006, 09:56 AM

i'd never take ephedrine again.. hell no... nothing makes my stomach feels worse than ephedrine.. Gives me that nasty I-wanna-vomit feeling... no thanks!

Stonecoldtruth · 05-03-2006, 09:57 AM

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i'd never take ephedrine again.. hell no... nothing makes my stomach feels worse than ephedrine.. Gives me that nasty I-wanna-vomit feeling... no thanks!

Any product with Yohimbe/Yohimbine does that to me.. I can stead E easily, but Y.. that ****s me up.

dito · 05-03-2006, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Aries

i'd never take ephedrine again.. hell no... nothing makes my stomach feels worse than ephedrine.. Gives me that nasty I-wanna-vomit feeling... no thanks!

So that's where your gag reflex comes from??

brucethejuice · 05-03-2006, 10:53 AM

I would go with the EC stack if I was you.

user34566548717114 · 05-04-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyironboard

I've seen 6 month studies that showed fat loss kept on going. After trial and error I use EC twice a day for a longer cycle-usually taking the same amount of E as I would have going shorter and 3X per day.

talking about beta 3 sites eh???

The majority of weight loss due to E/C comes from EATING less and increased workout intensity...your principle adergenic sites are your beta 2 and beta 1 NOT you beta 3 (the theorized G protein present in BAT AND FAT, which is being claimed to yeild the majority of the thermogenic boost....the thermogenic boost is pretty crap in E/C (like 2-3% compared to 50+% with something like DNP)....remember the formation of cAMP is really what triggers increased lipolysis and breakdown of muscle glycogen, I don't think beta3 site activation causes the formation of cAMP from ATP like in beta 1 and 2 sites......+ Norepi is really what causes cAMP formation ephedrine itself lacks the two -OH groups on the ring which decreases its affinity for direct interaction with G proteins...so ephedrine itself has LIL to NO interaction with beta 1 and 2 sites....the release of Norepi does and that I believe can be regulated by controlling the uptake mechanism on neurons....once you get into the uptake by neurons biochem cuts out a bit so anyone with a lil more knowledge on that topic please chim in....

I'll post a cool Powerpoint I did explaining a bit of the chemistry of E/C this weekend, I think alot of you will get a kick outta it

moral of the story??? Use E/C to increase your energy levels to DO stuff and eat less crap food.......being in a rush to downregulate your beta1 and 2 sites is a no no