For instance, what would you say about squats and deadlifts, 4 or 5 sets each, on Mondays and Thursdays?
I've heard its bad to do them on the same workout, but was never told why. Anyone know?
Thanks in advance.
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04-27-2006, 08:09 PM #1
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04-27-2006, 08:36 PM #2
Doesn't the 5x5 program have them on the same day? I would imagine the argument for not doing them on the same day would be that you would already have expended quite a bit of energy on one or the other, therefore not having full energy to put into the other exercise. However, I'll have to look again, but I really think they are on the same day withthe 5x5 twice a week. It's a proven program, so I would have to imagine it isn't as bad as some make it out to be.
Caveat is stiff-legged deadlifts, which are routinely done on leg day, for hamstrings.
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04-27-2006, 09:17 PM #3
They're both really hard work, so you'll only get the maximum benefit from the exercise you do first. That's the theory as to why both on same day = bad idea.
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
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04-27-2006, 11:14 PM #4
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04-28-2006, 01:44 AM #5
I started doing the Bill Starrs 5x5 which has them both on the same day and had to cut out squats and just do deadlifts after about 3 weeks. Maybe its because I do sumos but I found I wasnt recovering properly - I'd miss a squat sessions later that week anyway because I was so sore. Plus I found it made me more prone to back injury (I have trouble anyway) because I was already fatigued when I had to do deadlifts because I'd already done squats. I suppose it just depends on how long you've been lifting and how you recover. If you're not on Starrs 5x5 where you are meant to do squats 3x a wk plus deadlifts it might be easier.
"I'll have a diet coke.....deepfried"
Homer Simpson.
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04-28-2006, 05:25 AM #6
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04-28-2006, 06:18 AM #7Originally Posted by amber_stone
God... someone changing a program... your supposed to squat light on deadlift day, it shouldn't be hard at all....
To the original question, doing heavy for both squats and deads on the same day would be extrememly hard as one of them would suffer. Now if one was done light or dynamic that would be a different story.
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04-28-2006, 06:59 AM #8
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04-28-2006, 07:33 AM #9
I've tried doing them both in the same session, but after I do one I don't even have the energy to think. I can barely get through the assistance work afterwards.
Yet some of the guys at Monster Muscle seem to feel that it's quite doable to squat and deadlift in the same session.
I can't do it. In the same way that after I do serious chest, I cannot work shoulders in the same session."Go home, have a beer and smash something. That's what I would do" - Unknown (but probably Thor).
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04-28-2006, 09:08 AM #10
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04-28-2006, 09:42 AM #11
I don't squat and deadlift on the same day, as my back doesn't deal well with it. I think it depends a bit on your squat form - I use a lot of low back in my squats, so deadlifting in the same day is painful. If you highbar, close-stance squat, it's a little less strain on the lower back, and probably easier to deadlift on the same day. And in any case, you obviously should be going light on one, and heavy on the other - not heavy on both.
Originally Posted by amber_stone485/285/495 @ 200
Ed Coan told me I had nice squat form.
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04-28-2006, 12:03 PM #12
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04-28-2006, 02:08 PM #13
I squat 3 times a week, and deadlift once. On wednesdays, I both squat and deadlift, but the squats are lighter and I feel they don't affect my deadlifts.
I remember when I was doing westside and my ME would be squats, and for accesory I'd do some SLDL's... but my strength really suffered.
Personally, I wouldn't do them the same day, unless the squats were lighter/dynamic squats.
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04-28-2006, 07:02 PM #14Originally Posted by kronik85"I'll have a diet coke.....deepfried"
Homer Simpson.
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04-28-2006, 07:09 PM #15
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04-29-2006, 04:01 PM #16
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04-29-2006, 06:34 PM #17Originally Posted by amber_stone
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04-29-2006, 11:31 PM #18Originally Posted by SlammaJamma
I honestly dont know why anyone cares anyway -I'm not telling anyone to do what I did, I'm not complaining that I didnt get as good a results as I may have by doing squats 3x a wk. All I said is that I cant do squats and deads on the same day without back troubles and longer recovery."I'll have a diet coke.....deepfried"
Homer Simpson.
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04-30-2006, 09:09 AM #19
some people like to scream OVERTRAINING whenever they hear about squats and deadlifts in the same workout, STOP IT! in reality, it's really not that tough, so if you want to I say go for it, one might lag behind the other because they work similar muscle groups and plains of motion., but they're the same EXACT exercise. Plus they complement eachother nicely, so it's fine to do.
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04-30-2006, 09:34 AM #20
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04-30-2006, 09:24 PM #21
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05-01-2006, 01:28 PM #22
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05-01-2006, 11:34 PM #23Originally Posted by The Viking
My current split is this.
Day 1 Squat
GoodMornings
Bench Pressing
Shoulder and Tri Pressing
Day 2 Rest
Day 3
Squat
Deadlift off a plate or rack pull after every other session day.
Rows
Lat Pull Downs
Shrug
Curls
REPEAT
This has been working great for me. A lot of you will definitely say thats too much squats per week but so far its been working great.Height 5'11
weight 165
PR's:
DEADLIFT RAW: 345 x 1 reps
SQUAT RAW: 275 x 3 reps
BENCH RAW: 185x1rep (incline)
Both no belt straps, no chalk or nothing.
Just practically naked doing them!
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05-02-2006, 03:20 PM #24
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