Help me choose a bcaa/eaa please (REPS)...

**Cortic** · 04-24-2006, 06:31 AM

Ok well i did some research tonight on BCAA's & EAA's (Thank you pu12en12g & Young_Squatter) and i think its time to give these a go!

I mean i have 2 shakes a day but feel i could be making more gains by using BCAA's as well.

Im looking at:

Optimum 1000 BCAA's 200 caps

Extreme Formulations ICE

Scivation Xtend

Controlled Labs Purple Wraath (EAA)

Each seems to provide about 3 months worth and is each around $50 US (aside from Optimums).

ICE & Xtend both seem the same, however Xtend also contains "Citrulline Malate 1g".

Purple Wraath doesnt have a breakdown but includes more variety of amino acids per serving.

So with my trusty $50 in hand, which should i purchase?

**naturalguy** · 04-24-2006, 06:36 AM

If you decide EAA's over BCAA's, go with:

All in one
Universal EAA stack
Animal Nitro

At least with these you know how much of the amino's your getting.

If you decide BCAA's, Xtend is the way to go.

**XCriticalBenchX** · 04-24-2006, 06:41 AM

First off, id like to say, its good to see somebody who is 21, and not jumping on the ph/aas trail, and taking them just because there 21. Its good to see older people, looking twards safer routes first to build a better base.

With all the products you named, i would have to go with mega dosing xtend. I would recommend purple wraath, but there hasnt beeen enough evidence as of yet, because the loggers are only on day 20, so we dont no as of yet, the whole experience. Xtend, has been proven by many people to work great, and i think it would be a great addition to you.

Also, I would look at Universals UNI LIVER Tabs. There very very cheap, and loaded with amino acids/bcaa's. You can pick up 500 pills, for lkie 12$ here at bodybuilding.com. Besides xtend.. that would be my reccommendation.

Good luck man, and best of luck to you, in finding a solid product. If u have any more questions about what i said, feel free to ask. REPS?

Mike

**bbowen32006** · 04-24-2006, 06:57 AM

Well I will tell you this, I would go with universal products, I have used them in the past and now, and love them. Good luck with everything!

**TUnit** · 04-24-2006, 07:01 AM

Iny my opinion, mega dosing Xtend is the way to go.

About 12 scoops per day will yield incredible gains but depending on how much you want to spend you could cut this to 8-10 scoops per day. Or you could take 12 scoops per day on workout days only and this should last you about a month to 6 weeks depending on how frequently you workout. Check out Derek "Beast" Charlebois' article about this. He gives the breakdown about when to take each serving.

**Cortic** · 04-24-2006, 07:05 AM

TUnit, got a link for that post?

**rotlex** · 04-24-2006, 07:07 AM

I have tried a few different types\brands over the past months, and have finally settled on Xtend. (Used everything from bulk, to ON's, to Nitro). So far, I feel Xtend has given me the most notable results. (Decreased recovery time, overall good "feeling", and the best taste, hehe. I use the grape).

As a side note, I weigh right around 200lbs. I do a whey\oats shake pre and a whey\oats\dex shake post. I've been using 3 servings of Xtend, 6 scoops, during my workout in a 32 ounce shaker\water bottle. Like I said, I'm liking the results\feeling, and truly feel it has been a GREAT addition to my supplementation routine.

**steve86** · 04-24-2006, 07:16 AM

From my experience i would definately go with Xtend, it is a great product. The watermelon flavour tastes great. Although i haven't tried Purple Wraath before, im keen to as iv'e heard really good things about it. At the end of the day its up to you, here is a link to a thread comparing the various types of BCAA's:http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=627839

**391rippy** · 04-24-2006, 07:22 AM

are you bulking or cutting?

**cervasa1977** · 04-24-2006, 07:24 AM

Purple Wraath and xtend are great products. I am using Purple Wraath at this time and I am loving the gains that I am getting and also the recovery time. It also gives you a great energy boost that I enjoy very much pre workout. xtend has been raved about by a lot of people and many love the outcome. Good luck in your choice and your training

**Mister_A** · 04-24-2006, 07:31 AM

Bulk
Xtend
ICE
Purple Wraath

**Ftara** · 04-24-2006, 07:41 AM

You said to take 12 scoops of Bcaa a day?? im new i just bought it a few days ago, the directions say to use only 2 a day depending on your weight. Im only 150 trying to bulk.. any recommendations on how many scoops to take a day and when are the best times for them

**Mister_A** · 04-24-2006, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by Ftara

You said to take 12 scoops of Bcaa a day?? im new i just bought it a few days ago, the directions say to use only 2 a day depending on your weight. Im only 150 trying to bulk.. any recommendations on how many scoops to take a day and when are the best times for them

You dont need 12 scoops. 2-6 scoops in 2-3 servings should be fine.

The 12 might mean 12grams??

**steve86** · 04-24-2006, 08:28 AM

The 12 scoops is 'megadosing' which is what they are referring to. For a beginner im sure it would be fine to start off at the recommended dosage and still achieve results. Maybe the guys who do megadose BCAA's can shed some more light on this.

**xxdcmast** · 04-24-2006, 08:35 AM

I just started using bulk BCAA+EAA from another website. If you dont mind taking something that doesnt taste like candy this is definitely the way to go.

**young_squatter** · 04-24-2006, 08:49 AM

For BCAA I highly recommend Scivation Xtend, here is a good thread for you to read on to give you more info on xtend.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=672898

For EAA I recommend WPI.

**HalleluYAH** · 04-24-2006, 08:50 AM

With a good EAA supplement, you will also be getting BCAAs. My EAA supplement supplies me with 4g of leucine in addition to the other EAAs. Keep in mind that BCAAs are also considered EAAs.

That said, my EAA supplement does NOT have tryptophan. Tryptophan is a precusor to serotonin and increased supplementation of other AAs to stimulate protein synthesis may use up dietary l-tryp, thus leading to a deficiency in serotonin production.

EDIT: Based on some quick research, it appears that Tryptophan plays a vital role in regulating and stopping uneeded protein synthesis. Thus, many EAA formulations have purposely left this out.

**Robboe** · 04-24-2006, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by young_squatter

For BCAA I highly recommend Scivation Xtend, here is a good thread for you to read on to give you more info on xtend.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=672898

For EAA I recommend WPI.

I am quite interested in the pending EAA product thats' gonna be released under the Primaforce label. It'll be good to see how it squares up against the other EAA formulas.

**The MVPlaya** · 04-24-2006, 08:51 AM

Xtend has been tried & proven for a much longer time. I would suggest to go with Purple Wraath as it contains both EAA's and BCAA's. I am going to do a log on it soon, so I'm also excited to see how it works out. It has received great reviews from what I've read.

**40-Yard Dash_2** · 04-24-2006, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by young_squatter

For BCAA I highly recommend Scivation Xtend, here is a good thread for you to read on to give you more info on xtend.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=672898

For EAA I recommend WPI.

Xtend, hands down.

**young_squatter** · 04-24-2006, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Robboe

I am quite interested in the pending EAA product thats' gonna be released under the Primaforce label. It'll be good to see how it squares up against the other EAA formulas.

**HalleluYAH** · 04-24-2006, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by 40-Yard Dash_2

Xtend, hands down.

What about phenyalanine and methionine? both are necessary to stimulate BCAA/Leucine protein synthesis.

Taking a whey protein isolate is a good economical solution for suppying these EAAs, but IMO not the most optimal when taken immediately preWO as they will not have the same pharmacokinetic effect as free form EAAs. What's more there's the BV and digestability issue(s).

**Blap Blaow** · 04-24-2006, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by young_squatter

lol, you been holding out on me?

**young_squatter** · 04-24-2006, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Blap Blaow

lol, you been holding out on me?

, I like leaving you in suspense

You understand

**pu12en12g** · 04-24-2006, 10:28 AM

First... start here:

Nutrient Timing Summary:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=186

Nutrient Timing Logic:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=190
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...3&postcount=34

NOW... Purple WRAATH is by far the best choice for a Ergogenic + FREE FORM EAA combo (obviously there is still LOTS of confusion about what FREE FORM means

**CanadaBBOY** · 04-24-2006, 10:31 AM

Personally I would go with Xtend + Whey, or bulk Leucine + Whey.

**Blap Blaow** · 04-24-2006, 10:35 AM

what's the verdict on Wraath + Grape Xtend, taste wise?

**Ftara** · 04-24-2006, 10:36 AM

Does your body need BCAA before you go to sleep, i take it pre and post workout

**JonnyQuest** · 04-24-2006, 10:38 AM

Go with Optimum nutrition. Good reputation and great pricing. BB.com has about the best pricing you could get on something like this.

**Robboe** · 04-24-2006, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by pu12en12g

First... start here:

NOW... Purple WRAATH is by far the best choice for a Ergogenic + FREE FORM EAA combo (obviously there is still LOTS of confusion about what FREE FORM means

)

What about Ergopharm All In One?

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