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    Question Steroids+low carb diet = shredded?

    Hi guys wondering if anyone can help me out..Currently, I am using Winny/ Trenbolone stack in hopes to get to less than 10%bf (165lbs, 16% right now w/ cardio) in less than 2 months. Would low carb/dieting instead of moderate carb dieting be more beneficial for me with this particular stack? Is 2 months reasonable? thanks guys..
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    How tall are you bro??? ????????????????

    You can look into doing a CKD or TKD but because of the increased blood pressure, cholesterol imbalance, and lipids imbalance associated with gear you should put a lot of thought into anything you are eating. You should be putting a lot of thought into your cycle period.... your stats don't seem right though bro. 165lbs with 16% bodyfat is very small and out of shape depending on your height... how long have you been lifting?
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    I'm 5 foot 5inches and have been lifting for 4 years. I do look bulky for a guy my height but I swear in the mirror and in other ppl's opinions I do have muscle with considerable definition. I see most of the fat around lower back area though, but could still see abs starting to surface. Which is why I don't understand why my scale would say that I am at 16%. Recently though I noticed that I've been sweating more in training and haven't been drinking adequate water. You think that could of affected my BF%?
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    ahhh okay, you are prolly not 16% bodyfat then. Those scales are garbage when it comes to determining BF%. You're better off getting a caliper test.

    A two month run of winny and tren should be enough to shred you down... low carb or not. I am guessing this is not your first cycle if you're using tren? Why no test?

    Good luck with your cycle bro. If you want more/better help go to the AAS board. Opinions about low carbing while ON will be very varied.
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    i honestly dont think 16% bf to single digit in two months is possible without surgery. this might help you though:

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    Normally I'd agree qw3r, but he's using winstrol and tren. Pretty intense cutting steroid stack.
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    Originally Posted by DJohnson
    Normally I'd agree qw3r, but he's using winstrol and tren. Pretty intense cutting steroid stack.
    icic, i personally have no experience with those and have read very little into them. if you honestly believe that the potential is there with that stack, i suppose he should be very careful when he finally comes off then? i know how hard it can be to hold back the increase in weight when comming off a quick, extreme diet and can only imagine how rough it would be to get off steroids. if being on can help that much, i would expect an inverse for at least as long until stabilizing.

    best of luck to you op

    btw, scales really are terrible judges of bf. they are extremely dependant on hydration as you can note by how your % changes before and after drinking a couple liters of water. while you may not get to single digits, im sure if you are dedicated you will look incredible after two months.
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    Originally Posted by qw3r
    i honestly dont think 16% bf to single digit in two months is possible without surgery. this might help you though:

    http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php...=19&pageID=244
    Wow that diet is gonzo... the supplementation in it does not seem all that impressive. You understand that trenbolone/winny stack makes the m1t look like m&ms right?

    I don't think the topic poster is really 16% bodyfat. He's been training for 4 years and is 165lbs.
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    Originally Posted by qw3r
    i honestly dont think 16% bf to single digit in two months is possible without surgery. this might help you though:

    http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php...=19&pageID=244
    this article is total bull****
    It is a shame crap like this exist on the internet

    sounds like a good article to follow to get gyno and lose alot of muscle
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    i actually have no idea how different trenbolone/winny and m1t could be. i just remembered that link and thought it may be useful as a sort of guideline. maybe something simmilar but with substantially more protein and a bit more healthy fats?

    work hard, eat clean, be consistant... does being ON make so much of a difference with the cutting regimen vs a natural?
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    Originally Posted by qw3r
    i honestly dont think 16% bf to single digit in two months is possible without surgery. this might help you though:

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    Skelooth, no this isn't my first cycle. Last cycle was deca and test cyp. Deca and dbol before that. Got huge fast, unfortunately though but expected, my stats went from 150 lbs @ <10%bf to my current 165 lb @ 16%. I know diet is the real issue for me here w/ or w/o test. But with mod. carbs, I'm having trouble dropping fat consistantly, hence is why I'm considering low carb.
    ps` I agree, elec. scales are to complex but wouldn't it still be more accurate than calipers?
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    nah, those digital / tanita / electric impedence scales Really REALLY suck. The last time I got calipered the trainer had me at 15.3% (which is believable), I stepped on their tanita scale and it said... 27%! lolol. Those things suck so bad bro, believe me. You're probably just a percent or two above having abs, because I really doubt you got that fat while on a cycle like that 16% is starting to get into the realm of chubby, and you're not chubby right?

    I'm not a steroid guru but from what I know everyone says test is a must while on cycle.

    Just keep cutting and working hard. Go ahead and try low carbing, check out the Keto board on this website (subsection of the nutrition board)
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    Yeah, I know even less about steroids than skel, but I know I've heard test is a must with tren. Might want to look into it. And next time keep the diet clean.
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    I don't use steroids, but I read alot about them just for educational purposes. I find the subject interesting.

    Like skel said, test should be run on all cycles

    good link:
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    from the link:

    The basic cutting cycle.

    Compounds:
    Testosterone propionate
    Clomid
    Nolvadex
    Proviron

    Structure:
    1-8 100mg eod test prop
    1-8 50mg/day proviron
    9.5-11.5 150mg/day clomid
    11.5-13.5 50mg/day clomid
    9.5-13.5 40mg/day nolvadex

    This is a simple cycle meant to help you hold onto lean mass while using a moderate caloric deficit diet. The proviron is there to help keep bloating down and maximize the effect of the testosterone during the cycle.

    A basic cycle for improved metabolism.

    Compounds:
    Testosterone propionate
    Stanozolol
    Liothyronine sodium/T3
    Clomid
    Nolvadex
    Optional:
    Proviron

    Structure:
    1-8 100mg eod test prop
    1-6 50mg/day stanozolol
    9.5-11.5 150mg/day clomid
    11.5-13.5 50mg/day clomid
    9.5-13.5 40mg/day nolvadex
    Optional:
    1-8 50mg/day proviron
    T3 usage:
    week 1 50mcg/day
    week 2-3 100mcg/day
    week 4 150mcg/day
    week 5-6 50mcg/day
    week 7-8 25mcg/day

    This cycle will give a quality boost to your baseline metabolism, keep water retention low, and keep lean mass from being cannibalized in the process.
    The amount of testosterone recommended would allow most to keep their lean mass while dieting at a moderate level, the addition of the T3 to the cycle necessitates adding more test or another androgenic compound to combat the canniballism of lean tissue as T3 is prone to do. In this case stanozolol is a good choice to combat that effect. You can choose to implement the oral or injectable version of that compound in this cycle, it won't make that much of an impact on the intended purpose in this cycle.
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    **Proper diet and cardio are NECESSARY to achieve results. Just taking the compounds will not get you anywhere.**

    compounds:

    testosterone propionate
    trenbolone acetate
    clomid
    nolvadex

    *optional
    HCG (I highly recommend)

    structure:

    weeks 1-8
    100mg testosterone propionate every other day (EOD)
    75mg trenbolone acetate every other day (EOD)
    *HCG 150iu on Sunday and Wednesdays throughout cycle (optional)

    3 days after last injection begin PCT:

    2 weeks of 150mg/day clomid followed by
    2 weeks of 50mg/day clomid followed by
    2 weeks of 40mg/day nolvadex followed by
    2 weeks of 20mg/day nolvadex

    You may add HCG if necessary, meaning you feel suppressed or start to exhibit testicular atrophy. *OR* you can include it right from the start (which I would do whenever using suppressive compounds such as Deca or Tren). HCG should be administered in doses of 150iu every sunday and wednesday during your cycle. Doing so should prevent testicular atrophy. Remember that HCG should be run in low doses due to potential damage to the leydig cells in the testes.

    Variations of this cycle include running T3, eca and/or clen alongside the anabolic compounds. I feel that unless you are about to get on stage, this is unnecessary for the beginner to intermediate user. Using the test, tren and a proper diet with plenty of cardio will definitely allow 95% of the users out there to see dramatic fat loss while preserving LBM.

    **As with all cycles, eating properly will ensure you achieve desired results.**
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