Muscle Milk post WO-how bad is this?

[Rachel_n_SD]

hey everybody,
i have no whey, because i have yet to find a brand that i can stomach, but i have muscle milk, because it tastes f*ucking awesome. so ive been eating it post work out mixed with oats and fruit, which i know is a pretty crappy post workout meal due to the casein, and the low GI, high fiber oats.

how bad is this? will it hurt my goals, or should i not sweat it, so long as im taking in protein and carbs post WO?

[Lychee]

should be find as muscle milk has whey isolates as well as casein

[Oledude187]

Dude you're absolutely right Muscle Milk tastes good as hell, I drink it before I go to bed and I can't wait each day to drink it. As far as whey that you can stomach have you tried Optimum Nutrition(ON) Gold Standard Whey? I have the strawberry and it's really tasty especially with a banana blended with it, but even without the banana it's great. It's a real "soft" and moist powder like the muscle milk and mixes real well... I mix mine with skim milk...it has 24g of protein per 1scoop serving, and 110 calories. This stuff is reletively cheap you can get 10lbs! for a cheaper price than 4lbs of Nitro Tech. I bought the 5lbs bucket for half that though, 10lbs is alot of ****.....Good luck!

[Rachel_n_SD]

Originally Posted by Oledude187

Dude you're absolutely right Muscle Milk tastes good as hell, I drink it before I go to bed and I can't wait each day to drink it. As far as whey that you can stomach have you tried Optimum Nutrition(ON) Gold Standard Whey? I have the strawberry and it's really tasty especially with a banana blended with it, but even without the banana it's great. It's a real "soft" and moist powder like the muscle milk and mixes real well... I mix mine with skim milk...it has 24g of protein per 1scoop serving, and 110 calories. This stuff is reletively cheap you can get 10lbs! for a cheaper price than 4lbs of Nitro Tech. I bought the 5lbs bucket for half that though, 10lbs is alot of ****.....Good luck!

i havent tried it but i keep hearing good things, have you tried chocolate or vanilla flavors of ON? how are they?

[mydamnself]

I agree ON is pretty much the best whey protein I've found. As far as not liking other types of whey though, you should really evaluate how badly you want to achieve your goals. You'll probably end up doing all kinds of things you don't like.

[Helis]

I can also vouch for ON's stuff. I use Pro Complex, but the Gold Standard stuff shouldn't be any different. I buy the chocolate. It mixes instantly in water with no clumps and tastes smooth. It's by far the best whey supplement I've ever tried.

That being said, nothing tastes as good as Muscle Milk

[bodybuilder420]

Too much fat/sugar for post workout, and even though casein protein is great, it's not ideal at this time. You want a fast absorbing whey isolate post workout. Take the muscle milk in the morning, and a different whey post workout.

[Oledude187]

I usually buy chocalate flavor for all my shakes, but I already had chocolate muscle milk and myoplex so I needed a little variety, so I go the strawberry Gold Standard. My friend takes the chocolate and he says it's great. If you've ever had Nitro Tech- chocolate-which isn't a bad tasting protein in my opinion: this ON whey is much better tasting and a much better product all around.

You definately can't neglect your whey protein, it's very important especially for post-workout. The casein releases much slower into your body.

[OUFBALL09]

ON's chocolate mint is glorious

[Rachel_n_SD]

yeah, i tried the nitrotech chocolate, it wasnt too bad so if the ON tastes better it'll probably be halfway decent. too bad, i was hoping to hear "dont worry, the muscle milk wont hurt"
i guess i'll have to bite the bullet and invest in some whey-so theres a general consensus that ON whey is the best tasting/mixing?

[yenal]

ON is good, great for post workout! MMilk for bed, but i'm goin try this Matrix stuff everyone's talking about next time...

[xven]

Muscle Milk isn't ideal PWO. Given the choice, I'd rather just go with some Oats and Egg whites over Muscle Milk at that time. Save the Muscle Milk for pre-workout, bed or as an mrp.

If you can't stomach whey, I suggest you look into more of a "juice" type of whey. To explain myself, I recently picked up something I found on clearance, PVL's Whey Cooler, I believe. Absolutely amazing, tastes just like Iced Tea. 20 grams of protein, 1 carb, 0 fat. I suggest you look into it. If you can stomach iced tea, this tastes just like it and nothing like a conventional whey shake as such.

[bhazard451]

For post workout at work (I have a fitness center in my office, best idea ever), I go with any ON whey. Rocky road, chocolate mint, or cookies and cream are my favs. They all taste great and the price is less, even though I love MM too. Drop a tiny bit of dextrose in it and have a banana. It may be a simple sugar overkill, but i'm new and always learning and this seems to be working atm. I eat the oats pre w/o.

[Ragnar13]

Postworkout shake needs some fast absorbing protien and Muscle Milk ain't. I use ON Whey (chocolate) with water in a shaker. Awesome! I save my Muscle Milk till my before bedtime shake. (Although I wish I could drink it all day long, it is that good).

As for taste, Rachel if you can use milk, ON is even better with milk. I take it with water and it is still good. (Just remember, it will NEVER EVER be as good as a Wendy's Frosty or a Dairy Queen Milkshake, but I am with you that it needs to taste good to take it regularly)

God luck, hope this helps...............

[Rachel_n_SD]

thanks for the input everyone!
unfortunately i wont be able to get milk post WO, I work out on my lunch break, and i think the fatties and my work would drink my milk if i put it in the fridge here...
so for those of you who eat oats post WO, wouldnt the fiber and low GI slow the digestion too much for it to be good post WO? this may be kind of O/T, but why is fruit a no-no? I was once told that fructose refilled liver glycogen more efficiently than other sugars so it would be good post WO?
sorry for all the questions, its just that i neglect my post WO nutrition and want to make sure I have it exactly right!

[sothrowedmex]

whey protein immediately upon rising in the am, muscle milk in between breakfast and lunch, whey 30-45 mins before workout with oats, and after workout whey with water not milk, then muscle milk before retiring to bed. Thats the best way..IMO and from what i have gathered here on bb.com

[xven]

Originally Posted by Rachel_n_SD

thanks for the input everyone!
unfortunately i wont be able to get milk post WO, I work out on my lunch break, and i think the fatties and my work would drink my milk if i put it in the fridge here...
so for those of you who eat oats post WO, wouldnt the fiber and low GI slow the digestion too much for it to be good post WO? this may be kind of O/T, but why is fruit a no-no? I was once told that fructose refilled liver glycogen more efficiently than other sugars so it would be good post WO?
sorry for all the questions, its just that i neglect my post WO nutrition and want to make sure I have it exactly right!

Actually, no. I've made the switch over to oats for pwo, and they serve the purpose quite well. When I'm looking primarily to gain muscle, I do a 50/50 of Dex and Oats, but on a cut oats do great. Glycogen replenishment isn't something you need to do asap. There are many mixed opinions and advantages between high-Gi and Low-Gi PWO. Try it out and see what works for you. You cannot go wrong with either. If your worried about slow digestion of oats, or in any case, make sure you score on your pre-workout meal. Chances are, throughout your workout and on till the end your pre-workout meal with be digesting and supplying nutrients to your muscles. So in essence, as soon as your pre-workout meal has been used completely, your pwo meal should be digesting. Don't worry, there's no wrong way of doing either.

Fructose primarily re-fills liver glycogen. We're aiming to refill muscle glycogen. Personally, I think the whole no fruit thing pwo is overrated. It isn't ideal, but it should be alright. More importantly, set aim at pre-workout nutrition. I find that more important than pwo itself. Good luck and keep lifting.

[CENTAUR]

Hey rachel mayb u should try dymatize.I've tried both ON and dymatize and i reckon dymatize is a better tasting product.

I loved the butter cream toffe and the beery blast. The vanilla and chocolate are awesome as well.Its a bit cheaper than ON as well.

try it

[MrBRoc]

Originally Posted by bodybuilder420

Too much fat/sugar for post workout, and even though casein protein is great, it's not ideal at this time. You want a fast absorbing whey isolate post workout. Take the muscle milk in the morning, and a different whey post workout.

you have no clue what your talking about! first not all fat is bad.. to much sugar? where did you come up with that conclusion? i guess all the people who have 50g+ of sugar after there workouts are screwed... and take it in the morning makes no sense your awake to take in the calories and protein you take casein before you sleep to keep yourself in a anabolic state

[xven]

Originally Posted by MrBRoc

you have no clue what your talking about! first not all fat is bad.. to much sugar? where did you come up with that conclusion? i guess all the people who have 50g+ of sugar after there workouts are screwed... and take it in the morning makes no sense your awake to take in the calories and protein you take casein before you sleep to keep yourself in a anabolic state

I think he makes a valid point. Eating fat right after a workout in the presense of high insulin, isn't very desirable. First off, sure insulin in an anabolic hormone, but even more, a lipogenic hormone. See how that works? Second, eating fat will slow down digestion, of which is undesirable if it will eventually get stored and held in the cells for the duration. For an endo like me, I'd kill myself if I took 50g+ of sugar. I tend to store fat easy and sugar in that high of an amount is absolutely overkill. 50g+ of something slower, healthier, like oats, is a-ok. Muscle Milk in the morning is fine, unless ofcourse, your taking it post cardio (am only) or pwo workout. But you make a good point about it being better taken before bed.

[bodybuilder420]

you have no clue what your talking about!

Why is that?

first not all fat is bad..

Did I say that? No. But certain fats (Even good fats) slow digestion and absorption of protein post workout, why would you want to delay that?

Muscle Milk has 8 grams of SATURATED fat, and even though it is medium chain triglycerides, it still takes more time for the liver to break them down.

to much sugar? where did you come up with that conclusion?

Common sense + logic = my conclusion. And apparently I'm not the only one in this thread who thinks so.

i guess all the people who have 50g+ of sugar after there workouts are screwed

Did I say that?

8g of saturated fat, casein protein (which slows absorption), long-chain vegetable oil, fructose (which slows digestion and converts to liver glycogen and not muscle glycogen)...and I could go on.

I'm not bashing Muscle Milk - take it any other time of day, but just not post workout.

[MrBRoc]

i understand what your saying and all but threw my own experience ive used it pwo for a while and noticed as good results as i do now while using whey i dont agree with you on the sugar thing but the fat does make sense but either way i will apologize for how i came off im a man and will gladly admit if im wrong

[steelo79]

yea, muscle milk is most definitely NOT ideal post work-out. in my opinion, it's best before bed.

[bodybuilder420]

i understand what your saying and all but threw my own experience ive used it pwo for a while and noticed as good results as i do now while using whey i dont agree with you on the sugar thing but the fat does make sense but either way i will apologize for how i came off im a man and will gladly admit if im wrong

Hey bro, I mean no disrespect. Must be the low carbs. haha

I have a degree in nutrition and a master's in exercise phys, so I have some background in this field. In my experience, I see some things that on paper shouldn't work for people, but it does. It's just that in my opinion, the ingredients contained in muscle milk aren't ideal post workout.

It does taste hella good though.

[Anssi Manninen]

Originally Posted by Rachel_n_SD

hey everybody,
i have no whey, because i have yet to find a brand that i can stomach, but i have muscle milk, because it tastes f*ucking awesome. so ive been eating it post work out mixed with oats and fruit, which i know is a pretty crappy post workout meal due to the casein, and the low GI, high fiber oats.

how bad is this? will it hurt my goals, or should i not sweat it, so long as im taking in protein and carbs post WO?

It is not that bad; however, it is certainly not ideal either.

[MrBRoc]

Originally Posted by bodybuilder420

Hey bro, I mean no disrespect. Must be the low carbs. haha

I have a degree in nutrition and a master's in exercise phys, so I have some background in this field. In my experience, I see some things that on paper shouldn't work for people, but it does. It's just that in my opinion, the ingredients contained in muscle milk aren't ideal post workout.

It does taste hella good though.

deff man its all good im not on here to make any enemy's we are all here to learn and help eachother.. like i said i opened my mouth and was wrong i will live up to it

[xven]

Originally Posted by MrBRoc

deff man its all good im not on here to make any enemy's we are all here to learn and help eachother.. like i said i opened my mouth and was wrong i will live up to it

Well in that case, I'll just point this one out.

uscle Milk has 8 grams of SATURATED fat, and even though it is medium chain triglycerides, it still takes more time for the liver to break them down.

The liver doesn't break down fat, the small intestine does. MCT's don't even need to be hydrolyzed, and are rapidly absorbed intack. They are then taken to the liver, convered to an acyl CoA's which are used by the mitochondria as energy. Any further metabolism they go through is usually carbon-dioxide or water. In the off chance, very little might be stored as fat.

[Casey1300]

I take water with whey after my workout with a banana. Why would you use musclemilk if you can buy ON chocolate whey. I tastes about the same as muscle milk and its great with water which is what you will need to take it with since milk slows digestion.

That muscle milk is expensiive! So don't take it if you don't have to. Buy a huge 10lb bag of cholcate ON whey. If you like the chocolate Muscle milk then you will like the ON stuff.

Only thing I don't like about muscle milk is when I throw it into the shaker sometimes it clumps up and sometimes it will stick to the bottom. I take it for a PreWO and have to mix it at school so I can't blend it.

[bodybuilder420]

The liver doesn't break down fat, the small intestine does.

Misquote, my bad.

MCT's don't even need to be hydrolyzed, and are rapidly absorbed intack. They are then taken to the liver, convered to an acyl CoA's which are used by the mitochondria as energy.

Well now we're getting ahead of ourselves. It is not likely that the liver will give MCT priority over a more readily available energy source, such as glucose. Especially after a weight training session, there isn't much beta-oxidation going on.

[xven]

Originally Posted by bodybuilder420

Misquote, my bad.



Well now we're getting ahead of ourselves. It is not likely that the liver will give MCT priority over a more readily available energy source, such as glucose. Especially after a weight training session, there isn't much beta-oxidation going on.

I didn't say that. I was merely explaining how MCT's are metabolized.