Tongkat Ali Long-Term Effect on SHBG's

[apace]

Anyone tried ordering directly from tongkatali.org as they seem they have good prices but i have sent them an email to check if they ship to Europe but i did not get any reply from there side , anyone trying this product out now and seeing results with it ?

[Francis27]

What email address you used? Try asia.herbs@gmail.com - I have ordered
from them for years, and get half price.

[apace]

i used the email or there site i will check if it is the same one
my costed me € 119 euro for 240 caps 1 : 200 so at 4 tabs a day its a 2 month supply
i still did not receive them yet as they are out of stock , hopefully will receive and start this week

[stcrim]

Does Tongkat help protect your testicles from atrophy when supplementing/injecting testosterone? Any experience?


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[mesmer2011]

Here is some clinical results I've found on Physta. It's a patented form on Tongkat Ali that was developed with the help of MIT. It has the greatest amount of active ingredient per dosage than any other form of Tongkat Ali product on the market.

ht p://w w.phystablog.com/2011/06/30/what-is-physta/


Overview

• Patented Tongkat Ali extract with researched efficacy to vitalize health of men
• Improve vigor and vitality of men by supporting healthy testosterone levels by lowering SHBG level
• Confirmation of safety with in-vitro toxicology and human trials
• High standardized extract for reliability and efficacy.
•GMP certified production facilities ensure quality extracts.


Clinical Trials on Physta



Clinical Trial 1
Product Physta
CRO Special Reproductive Research Center, Malaysia
Title Standardized Water Soluable Extract of Eurycoma longiolia on Men’s Health

Study Design
Open label (retrospective data)
Dosage 3 doses; 200, 400 and 600 mg
No. of Subjects 20
Study Duration 3 weeks
Age Group 38-58 years old
Objectives

1. Sexual

Health &

Performance
Testosterone levelDehydroepiandrosteron (DHEA) levelSexual Health Index Questionnaire

1. Safety

Lipid and Renal Profiles; Full blood examinations



Research Conclusions:

* 47% increase in DHEA-precursors of testosterone.
* 44% increase in testosterone by 3 weeks period.
* In total, 76% of volunteer shows an increase in testosterone level by week 3.
* 66% decrease in SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) level by week 1 and 33% after week 3*.
* 62% subjects increased or maximized SHI questionnaire scores, indicating majority subjects demonstrated increase sexual health and performance.
* Full blood examinations were normal
* Liver Function Test was normal even at high doses
* Renal Function Test was normal
* Lipid studies showed a trend in the improvement in high-density lipoprotein
* Type 2 Diabetic volunteers show a significant effect on lowering blood glucose levels.
* Cortisol was found to be at the higher normal level for majority of the volunteers
* IGF-1 found to be high normal level

* Reduction in SHBG means more free testosterone for utilization in the body. Consequently, when the SHBG level declines, the Free Testosterone Index goes up.

[richard8890]

First tribulus has no effect on test levels to began with its a waste of time using it for working out. On the other hand tongkat do work it natraully raises tests levels with continued use, but still needs more testing bc you only talking about one hormone SHBG yes it lowers it causing a free up in test but what about esogen and dht if those are still around then test levels aren't so free. And one thing about lowering SHBG is that sex drive drops. But tongkat looks promising ...

[apace]

i took Tongkat for 2 months at 1200 mg/day didn't make my difference apart that it made me stay awake
i wanted to give a try for another cycle but im still undecided as it is expensive
what would be the best cycle , as who says its better to do shorter cycles like 10 on 5 off , as i did 2 months on 1 month off

[drake.d0n3]

I don't think there is a rebound, I have taken it on/off and I don't ever get decreases in testosterone or what not off of it. Tribulus though definetly wears off after a couple weeks, and you end up feeling like ****. Trust me.

[Darrenw345]

What happens to your body after you stop taking these herbs( tribulus, tongkat ali and stinging nettle)? Is it something you need to keep taking to get back regular test in your body. Has any one stopped taking these herbs?? Thanks

[77sem77]

I've been taking tongkat ali man power 1:200 in periods. while stopping you just loosingth effect after some time.
http://tongkatpower.com/where_to-Get_tongkat_ali

[johnnybigboy]

Yes me too. It has been working very well. I actually have been taking the extract 200:1 in powder form. The taste is a little strong but it is 3 times cheaper than the same stuff in caps.
I have been getting it from Indigo Herbs It is only £15 for 50 grams, very good value. What have other people been paying for it?

[apace]

are indigo herbs a trustworthy company ?
also how do you take it when its powder form just mix with water or place a spoon in your mouth and just wash it down ?
how much is best to take / day and cycle it for how long ?

[tomcat-ch]

hi there

I was taking APE from Athletic Edge one of there ingredients is tongkat ali.
After 5 weeks my free testosterone went up around 80%.. they also have an AI
included my E2 (Estrogen) was normally around 30 now it is 6.

APE is a good product.

My baseline total testosterone is 636 ng/dl with NOW Food Testo Jack I can go up as high as 790 ng/ dl ... thinking to combine those two products.

[apace]

APE does not contain any tongkat ali as im taking it now
it contains fenugreek

[Mr.Cooper69]

APE does not contain any tongkat ali as im taking it now
it contains fenugreek

It contains tongkat ali

[Mr.Cooper69]

hi there

I was taking APE from Athletic Edge one of there ingredients is tongkat ali.
After 5 weeks my free testosterone went up around 80%.. they also have an AI
included my E2 (Estrogen) was normally around 30 now it is 6.

APE is a good product.

My baseline total testosterone is 636 ng/dl with NOW Food Testo Jack I can go up as high as 790 ng/ dl ... thinking to combine those two products.

That's incredible, so it went up to over 1000 ng/dl?

[apace]

you are right as its under eurogold but it does not specify the dose it has per capsule .
How are you taking ape ? 5 on 2 off as on the instructions
as im in my second week and felt nothing yet

[tomcat-ch]

That's incredible, so it went up to over 1000 ng/dl?

It is my free testosterone which went up 80% not the total testosterone. But free testosterone is more important.

[tomcat-ch]

you are right as its under eurogold but it does not specify the dose it has per capsule .
How are you taking ape ? 5 on 2 off as on the instructions
as im in my second week and felt nothing yet

I take 2 caps every day in the morning.

[zemzin]

hi there

I was taking APE from Athletic Edge one of there ingredients is tongkat ali.
After 5 weeks my free testosterone went up around 80%.. they also have an AI
included my E2 (Estrogen) was normally around 30 now it is 6.

APE is a good product.

My baseline total testosterone is 636 ng/dl with NOW Food Testo Jack I can go up as high as 790 ng/ dl ... thinking to combine those two products.

With Testojack100,my free testosterone went from my usual 3 pg/ml to 150 pg/ml.
And that was 10 days after stopping the Testojack.

Tongkat ali does not have any effect on total testosterone,just free.

[zemzin]

It is my free testosterone which went up 80% not the total testosterone. But free testosterone is more important.

No,it is not.

[gchurchill]

What the f*ck is going on in this thread? I feel like I'm reading about Pink Magic.

[tomcat-ch]

No,it is not.

Yes it is !!

[tomcat-ch]

No,it is not.

Yes it is !!

Free Testosterone and SHBG

Some researchers believe that free testosterone is the only testosterone that really counts, since it is the testosterone ready and able to actually "work" on your tissues. And there is a lot of truth to this. However, other experts counter that total testosterone is really the better number, because it acts as reserve or bank to build from. Well, I will leave that debate for the men in white, but, in the meantime, it's best to realize that free testosterone is an incredibly important number for men to monitor and maintain.

So why do some say that free testosterone the only testosterone that does your body any good? The reason is that about two thirds of non-free, or bound testosterone is actually chemically bonded to a protein called Sex Hormone-Binding Globulin (SHBG) and about 1/3 to a protein called albumin. Only a small percentage (about 2 percent) is actually free to supercharge our brains, blood, muscles, sex lives and all the other things we associate with testosterone.


Testosterone Level and Binding Proteins

Most of the testosterone we make is bound to 2 proteins; sex-hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and albumin. In fact, 98% of testosterone is bound to these 2 proteins. The remaining 2% or so is called the free testosterone. It is the free testosterone that actually enters the cell, hooks up a testosterone receptor, and then turns that cell on to do what that cell has been programmed to do when stimulated by testosterone (muscle cell will build muscle, a bone cell will build bone, etc.).

[Big4Life12]

Anybody have medical tests done showing a testosterone improvement?

[Big4Life12]

I ordered Sumatra Pasak Bumi from www.authentictongkatali.com three months ago. Someone on another thread said that brands the best. Whats the best company to order testosterone testing kits from?

[AlwaysSwoleUp]

Here is a website with a review of good and bad re-sellers:

http://ahelu.com/

Not mine. Seems legit to me

This has some lab test results:

http://www.testingtongkatali.com/articleindex.htm

[Big4Life12]

Ended up getting tested at the doctors office. My T-Levels went from 340 to 580 using Authentic Tongkat Ali. I have way more sex drive and higher general energy levels. Sped up gym gains too.

Here is a website with a review of good and bad re-sellers:

http://ahelu.com/

Not mine. Seems legit to me

This has some lab test results:

http://www.testingtongkatali.com/articleindex.htm

[AllNaturalTom]

bump

So we have...

Tongkat Ali Root Powder, which is considered useless.

Now for the extracts and this will needed to be cleared up. Many companies claim theirs is the best but there opinions are biased, so I am looking for unbiased opinions on these different extracts from these leading companies, who liscense there extracts out...

-Herbal Powers LJ100:1
-AIDP (Doctor's A-Z) LongJax 20:1, this can be found in iSatori's Isa-Test
-Suma Pasak Bumi (What Indonesian's call LongJack) from tongkatali.org 50:1
-Alpha Drive XL from Bioscience Tech
"We created unique custom extracts to extricate and optimize active factors to achieve the most potent effects anywhere. For example, one notable active fraction that is generally considered the true powerhouse of Tongkat is known as Glycoprotein, and we have included by far the most of any company ever.
Each 3 capsule daily serving has an unprecedented 60mg of EuryTEINS™, our proprietary active Eurycoma Longifolia Glycoprotein fraction, setting the bar high for the industry standard and supplying 300% more then the next closest competitor."

It would be nice to get a detail comparison between these 4 extracts.

[Big4Life12]

AllNaturalTom, have not tried all four, but here is my take -

Herbal Powers LJ100:1 - have not used it, and when I looked it up, the bottle does not appear to say on it it anywhere how many milligrams each capsule is.
iSatori Isa-Test is really an overpriced Tribulis product, the amount of Tongkat Ali in there at 20:1 is not enough to do anything. Like typical Tribulis, it works for a few weeks then wears off, at least it did for me.
Sumatra Pasak Bumi is what I use, tried several brands beforehand and this worked the best. I order from www.authentictongkatali.com.
Alpha Drive XL did work good for me, I got away from it, and I believe it is not being sold anymore.