so I get a buddy of mine to start lifting(serious)

[supplementme]

rofl notice I said he's two inches shorter than I am
and for the record I have photos of myself and my body is set way different than his
I do roughly weigh about 185-90 its not uncommon for people to weigh in the same range is it?



Yeah he said he used nolva, and other vitamin assortments for liver recorvery and anti aramotise for the estrogen and such

he said his diet was eating high in carbs, low in sugar basically eating everything in site that was wholesome and high in protein
4 whey shakes a day as well , and worked out 5 days a week

he says he also did arms twice a week as well

got any before after pics of him in the same shirt in the same pose?

[NIPPLES500]

I swear you guys are **** heads why would I waste my time typing all of this?
I put (serious) on the thread title

anyways heres some before and after pics he doesn't have any of him RECENTLY he has a few after he started gaining

He doesn't want his face used

His frame before:



his frame after:



Remember these arent that recent
edit-

That log up there ^^ prooves these gains are real

I watched him step on the scale and saw his weight before and after

Jesus, Ive been working out for 1 year and I haven't even recieved gains like that. Extremely strict diet and training regimen as well.

[hadouken]

Fck sakes and I couldn't even gain 10lbs using real gear for 2.5 months.

that really sucks for you....

[Caucasian Urkel]

is pct post cycle treament?
if so how important is after taking a cycle of this stuff?

Post Cycle Therapy and its 100% important.

[killinmesmalls]

got any before after pics of him in the same shirt in the same pose?

The ones provided are his most recent as I said earlier

This is 100% legit if we must we'll try to get more photos later

[br0_r0gan]

rofl notice I said he's two inches shorter than I am
and for the record I have photos of myself and my body is set way different than his
I do roughly weigh about 185-90 its not uncommon for people to weigh in the same range is it?



Yeah he said he used nolva, and other vitamin assortments for liver recorvery and anti aramotise for the estrogen and such

he said his diet was eating high in carbs, low in sugar basically eating everything in site that was wholesome and high in protein
4 whey shakes a day as well , and worked out 5 days a week

he says he also did arms twice a week as well

well it's good he used a PCT unlike some idiot i've seen on this board. Congrats to him on the gains.

is pct post cycle treament?
if so how important is after taking a cycle of this stuff?

post cycle therapy. It's extremely important to retaining any of your gains and getting your test levels back up so you're not a 10 year old girl.

[Gator Brah]

Post Cycle Therapy and its 100% important.

and it does what? help your body resume normal test production?

[the_Yush]

rofl notice I said he's two inches shorter than I am
and for the record I have photos of myself and my body is set way different than his
I do roughly weigh about 185-90 its not uncommon for people to weigh in the same range is it?

No two people weight the same...

NO just messing with you bro.

Those pics are amazing if that is real.

[KRANE]

Thirty pound in 30 day huh? And it's available at the health food store? In that caseI'll take ten bottles!!!

[killinmesmalls]

and it does what? help your body resume normal test production?

When you take pro hormones//gear its harsh on the liver, and increases the estrogens in your body

PCT is for recovering those things,helps the balls come back as well, and more

Thirty pound in 30 day huh? And it's available at the health food store? In that caseI'll take ten bottles!!!

lol 60 buckaroos

[Caucasian Urkel]

and it does what? help your body resume normal test production?

From the FAQ

Do i need something to bring my natural test levels up after a test cycle?

This should go without saying. If you were thinking of asking this question, take it from me, you are not ready to start using steroids. After a cycle of steroids your natural sex hormone levels will be severely suppressed due to a mechanism called negative feedback. To preserve gains and keep a mentally and physically healthy life-style, you need to get your testosterone levels back on line. When a deficit of steroids in the body has occured, it will attempt to make natural testosterone again. But unfortunately steroid levels do not drop off, usually there is an estrogen rebound which prolongs the negative feedback. Estrogen of course will not suffice to keep your gains. So the need of an estrogen antagonist is needed post-cycle, either Clomid (clomiphene citrate) or Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate).

During longer or very suppressive cycles (Deca, long term test, trenbolone) your testicles may begin to shrink heavily due to disuse. this may make it harder to make natural test right off the bat. In such cases it is advised you use HCG as well to bring back the size of the testicles first.

[johnny87]

FYI, pheraplex enlarges the heart permanetly.

[metallicide]

ya enlarged hearts are ****ing alpha, my heart has veins everywhere, bitch

[LCking187]

You are making this sound better than cell tech

thats impossible haha

but to the o/p ya that **** is pretty strong. but to save him tell him about PCT and liver support and he SHOULD come out ok

[Gator Brah]

so would this be too much for someone who has never taken anything like this before?
I'm 100% natural only taking bcaa supps and hmb

[supplementme]

that before pic wasnt a month ago

[KRANE]

This is 100% legit if we must we'll try to get more photos later

Of course it is. What's your cut? Stop trying to sell your snake oil here.

[gotallanswers]

but he is not natural now

[pkirk330]

Doubt it. I've gained 13 pounds in the last two months of lifting, and the only person who's noticed my gains is me. 13 pounds of muscle isn't that noticable.

Haha if i gained 13 lbs of muscle i would look A LOT bigger. Im just over 200 lbs at 6 ft...if i was 215 as lean as i am now people would think i was juicin

[metallicide]

ya honestly, im not beleivin this. Theirs a certain extent in which its just doesnt happen. 30 days no way. Cant go from a bean pole to that....im not a beleiver...people work years to make that kinda progress.

[johnny87]

so would this be too much for someone who has never taken anything like this before?
I'm 100% natural only taking bcaa supps and hmb

its like three steroids mix together.... Probably not the safest thing in the world.

[Leenad]

Wow if that is true I'm f*cking jealous as hell.

[Gator Brah]

its like three steroids mix together.... Probably not the safest thing in the world.

but what i'm asking is would the nasty side effects be compounded by the fact i havnt taken any boosters or PH before

[affy]

somethings not right here

probably the best noob gains i've seen. If you're not bull****ting then he'll be a monster in 2 years

[KRANE]

ya enlarged hearts are ****ing alpha, my heart has veins everywhere, bitch

You know you're absolutely right--at least until it explodes and you die!

Sorta like when you jump off a building. Until you hit the ground...you're flying!!

[CellTechRage]

How old is your friend? If he's under 21 then he's a f*cking dumbass.

[br0_r0gan]

somethings not right here

probably the best noob gains i've seen. If you're not bull****ting then he'll be a monster in 2 years

Noob gains, strong PHs, and solid diet/routine make it believable, but he must have pretty good genetics too.

[papasandbeer]

Doubt it. I've gained 13 pounds in the last two months of lifting, and the only person who's noticed my gains is me. 13 pounds of muscle isn't that noticable.

you didnt gain 13 pounds of muscle lol. you gained like maby 6 pounds of muscle and the rest is fluids/fat

[muscleman420]

The funny thing is I'm being seriously serious (serious)

ur not jacked why should we believe u?

[G-mane12]

Tell your friend to get blood work done... and if it all comes back good I'll buy a couple bottles.. lol