Lee haney's olympia workout..

[gustavo]

for anyone who didn't see it

http://isohunt.com/download.php?mode=bt&id=9018295

237 mb, rmvb file.

[mattvdh]

also: watch?v=qTQpBLEL0Ug

[BigDaddyCoolPR]

I read a column on MD where he said that when he trained for the Mr O, he'd never go above 225 lbs on the barbell row...and more often, he'd stick with 185.

Crazy.

[MaKaiser]

I read a column on MD where he said that when he trained for the Mr O, he'd never go above 225 lbs on the barbell row...and more often, he'd stick with 185.

Crazy.

Crazy eh.
However consider that he won 8 Olympias and retired with a body that was capable of continuing for god knows how long.
Compare that to the bloated, torn and exhausted physiques of the heavy trainers at the end of their careers.
Obviously guys like Dorian and Ronnie pushed the boundaries with their training and that's what made them the giants they were.

[anonymous]

Lee was a very smart bodybuilder, I like the way he trains.

[Nikonguy]

For an 8 time Mr. Olympia Lee does not get enough credit.

[masthead716]

I read a column on MD where he said that when he trained for the Mr O, he'd never go above 225 lbs on the barbell row...and more often, he'd stick with 185.

Crazy.

He also probably didn't do them "Yates" style, but more of the original way with a wide grip, bent over 90 degrees. 185-225 would be more than enough weight if that were the case.

[mattvdh]

I read a column on MD where he said that when he trained for the Mr O, he'd never go above 225 lbs on the barbell row...and more often, he'd stick with 185.

Crazy.

I've noticed in a lot of videos that BB's don't lift super-heavy. I've heard many pro's say that it's not about power lifting and gaining massive muscles, it's about SHAPING the muscles. You want them to grow in a nice aesthetically pleasing shape, so that's why form and technique are always more important than just lifting heavy. A lot of guys ego's get caught up in bodybuilding and want to show off or feel like a 'man', but that's really not the right idea. Lift as heavy as possible to make them grow, but never sacrifice form because your muscles will just grow like a power lifters--all mass/bulk and gross looking. You'll just have big, flat muscles.

[masthead716]

I've noticed in a lot of videos that BB's don't lift super-heavy. I've heard many pro's say that it's not about power lifting and gaining massive muscles, it's about SHAPING the muscles. You want them to grow in a nice aesthetically pleasing shape, so that's why form and technique are always more important than just lifting heavy. A lot of guys ego's get caught up in bodybuilding and want to show off or feel like a 'man', but that's really not the right idea. Lift as heavy as possible to make them grow, but never sacrifice form because your muscles will just grow like a power lifters--all mass/bulk and gross looking. You'll just have big, flat muscles.

[mrsnruB1111]

lee haney is a beast...love him

watching his funky ass eighties segment in those fight for olpymia vids makes me wanna lift

[mattvdh]

masthead716: I can't post pictures yet...just google 'powerlifter', they are typically big and massy, not very aesthetically pleasing.
Lee Haney says that, along with Rich Piana, and Ric Drasin said a lot of the guys like arnold didn't lift to their max capacity, it's too hard on the joints.

[anonymous]

masthead716: I can't post pictures yet...just google 'powerlifter', they are typically big and massy, not very aesthetically pleasing.
Lee Haney says that, along with Rich Piana, and Ric Drasin said a lot of the guys like arnold didn't lift to their max capacity, it's too hard on the joints.

Powerlifters generally look like **** because they are fat. Not because of how they lift.

[Booooom]

masthead716: I can't post pictures yet...just google 'powerlifter', they are typically big and massy, not very aesthetically pleasing.
Lee Haney says that, along with Rich Piana, and Ric Drasin said a lot of the guys like arnold didn't lift to their max capacity, it's too hard on the joints.

i'm lol'ing so hard at this

[mattvdh]

so you guys seriously don't see the difference in how a powerlifter lifts 1 rep for power and how a bodybuilder lifts for aesthetics? Why do you think people stress form, it's not just for safety reasons, it's so they sculpt/shape the muscle to give it roundness. That's why Haney says squeeze all the way, especially at the peak of the rep. they do lift heavy *enough, like 75% of their capabilities, but the goal isn't to break records. it should be called bodyshaping not bodybuilding really.

[BOUNTYHUNTERMK2]

so you guys seriously don't see the difference in how a bodybuilder lifts 1 rep for power and how a bodybuilder lifts for aesthetics? Why do you think people stress form, it's not just for safety reasons, it's so they sculpt/shape the muscle to give it roundness. That's why Haney says squeeze all the way, especially at the peak of the rep. they do lift heavy *enough, like 75% of their capabilities, but the goal isn't to break records. it should be called bodyshaping not bodybuilding really.

Are you for real?

[Ajthemeso]

so you guys seriously don't see the difference in how a bodybuilder lifts 1 rep for power and how a bodybuilder lifts for aesthetics? Why do you think people stress form, it's not just for safety reasons, it's so they sculpt/shape the muscle to give it roundness. That's why Haney says squeeze all the way, especially at the peak of the rep. they do lift heavy *enough, like 75% of their capabilities, but the goal isn't to break records. it should be called bodyshaping not bodybuilding really.

lol wtf?

[lotus_esprit5]

masthead716: I can't post pictures yet...just google 'powerlifter', they are typically big and massy, not very aesthetically pleasing.
Lee Haney says that, along with Rich Piana, and Ric Drasin said a lot of the guys like arnold didn't lift to their max capacity, it's too hard on the joints.

We all know what powerlifters look like. I recommend you google Stan Efferding.



Also look up Olympic Weightlifting. Many of those competitors are pretty lean.

The big massy powerlifters you're thinking of look like that because they're fat. That isn't muscle you're looking at, it's muscle with fat on top of it.

[X^flottigliaMAS]

actually the guy is right, to a certain extent.
Some characteristics of the muscle, striations, quality, overall look (I know I am not talking objective stuff), are built in the gym first, and in the kitchen later. It is not all about bodyfat.
it is something that everybody can experiment on himself, through the variation of the stimulus provided.
For ex. Alternating 8 weeks each of POF training (hitting the muscle from different angles), german volume training (supersets between antagonist muscles), superslow training, brief and infrequent, will give you a very DIFFERENT look than keeping for 32 weeks the same traditional split, because of the variation in the training stimulus. Regardless of bodyfat.

[purdey]

Crazy eh.
However consider that he won 8 Olympias and retired with a body that was capable of continuing for god knows how long.
Compare that to the bloated, torn and exhausted physiques of the heavy trainers at the end of their careers.
Obviously guys like Dorian and Ronnie pushed the boundaries with their training and that's what made them the giants they were.

What about kai? He doesn't train like Yates and Ronnie and he is huge.

[p0werlifter]

masthead716: I can't post pictures yet...just google 'powerlifter', they are typically big and massy, not very aesthetically pleasing.
Lee Haney says that, along with Rich Piana, and Ric Drasin said a lot of the guys like arnold didn't lift to their max capacity, it's too hard on the joints.

Don't spread misinformation since the internet has plenty of that already.

Check out Pete Rubish. He has lifted 815 for a double and weights 223 pounds at 6'0". He is shredded with a 6 pack. Muscles come from lifting heavy and "shaped muscles"(as you probably describe them as) is from having a low bodyfat.

I negged you after I read the rest of your comments. Stupid people like you who come up with stupid ideas with very little data should not be allowed to have access to a computer. We would have much less crap to shift through on the internet then.

[T3mpest]

actually the guy is right, to a certain extent.
Some characteristics of the muscle, striations, quality, overall look (I know I am not talking objective stuff), are built in the gym first, and in the kitchen later. It is not all about bodyfat.
it is something that everybody can experiment on himself, through the variation of the stimulus provided.
For ex. Alternating 8 weeks each of POF training (hitting the muscle from different angles), german volume training (supersets between antagonist muscles), superslow training, brief and infrequent, will give you a very DIFFERENT look than keeping for 32 weeks the same traditional split, because of the variation in the training stimulus. Regardless of bodyfat.

It may give you a different size, but it wont' change the overall shape. How hard is this to grasp. All your doing when you weight lift is tearing muscle fibers and forcing your body to repair and adapt. You can't really control how a "microtear" happens, it's too small to see lol. Muscle is muscle, your body doesn't know what your doing it doesn't care.

[deeAvi]

me reading matts post

[littlemike23]

everybody wanna be a bodyshaper but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight

[mattvdh]

haha...yeah so this is from Vince Gironda's book: "I have been criticized for my stand about "creating an illusion." The argument is invariably produced: "I don't want to look big. I want to be big." Well, there's no argument. I'm still advocating that you get as big as you can. But I'm adding the proviso that you don't build up areas that will detract from your body. Use your barbells and dumbbells to sculpt your body, not just to indiscriminately pile on pounds of flesh. It's the easy way out if you just train without bothering to think about what you are doing. I sometimes think that the word bodybuilding is harmful to the progress of our sport. Perhaps we should call it physical culture or body sculpting."

And again like I said, Ric Drasin and Rich Piana (on Ric's Corner) often talk about how they would go to Gold's and see guys pumping away with the semi-heavy weights and would look like they were dying and they would think 'wtf is going on here, I thought BB was about lifting as heavy as possible?!" Ric also said that Arnold would never lift to his maximum, he always lifted 'enough' and focused on the intensity of the squeeze to get the pump. And if you guys watched that Lee Haney video he says it as well. Post all the animated gif's all you want, but I'm not just pulling this out of thin air, these are reiterations of what the top BB's have done.

Columbo was much stronger than Arnold actually, Ric said he was lifting about 100 lbs more on the bench and many other exercises, but Arnold was much larger in proportions even if you were to scale him down to Columbo's height.

[mattvdh]

lotus_esprit: so you think that if those bulky/fat powerlifters you see on strongman challenges etc were to lean up they would have aesthetic, round muscles? I doubt it really, I bet they would have disproportionately larger muscles in some areas and smaller in others. Bodybuilders are trying to build up their weaknesses, strongmen are emphasizing their strengths even more so. Sure, there are lean powerlifters, but they aren't necessarily aesthetic. There are exceptions like Efferding etc, but for the most part most powerlifters aren't looking in the mirror and trying to achieve symmetry, it's just them versus weight.

[MaKaiser]

What about kai? He doesn't train like Yates and Ronnie and he is huge.

I believe on occasion I've seen Kai pushing heavier weights than Dorian or Coleman even.

I think he just realises that that kind of training can't be done consistently throughout your career without resulting in some kind of injury.

[mattvdh]

Also powerlifters don't necessarily lift in terms of set or reps, maybe just for warming up, but they're goal is the 1 rep maximum explosion. Bodybuilders are trying to force as much blood into a particular section of muscles as possible through concentration and thereby shaping it through repetitions. A BB's goal is to shape aesthetic and symmetrical muscles, a PL's goal is to construct big powerful muscles. It's two different ideas even though they may seem similar.

[p0werlifter]

Also powerlifters don't necessarily lift in terms of set or reps, maybe just for warming up, but they're goal is the 1 rep maximum explosion. Bodybuilders are trying to force as much blood into a particular section of muscles as possible through concentration and thereby shaping it through repetitions. A BB's goal is to shape aesthetic and symmetrical muscles, a PL's goal is to construct big powerful muscles. It's two different ideas even though they may seem similar.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about so please go away.

[mattvdh]

that's just your opinion, you need to provide some sort of a logical point to make any sort of statement.

[p0werlifter]

that's just your opinion, you need to provide some sort of a logical point to make any sort of statement.

I have seen enough powerlifters to know that when they diet down, they get almost a bodybuilder look. You are right in the aspect that powerlifting and bodybuilding are workouts that give a somewhat different result but it isn't because the muscles are different. Powerlifters do lifts that tax the CNS and they are attempting to simulate the CNS to "grow" or get tougher and allow them to lift stronger. Bodybuilders train the muscles directly by doing high rep and lower weights. Both will simulate muscle growth but bodybuilders will always get the bigger muscles for obvious reasons. This has nothing to do with the muscles being "shaped differently".