Which do you guys like better? Which is better for triceps?
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03-25-2006, 12:48 PM #1Banned
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Lying tricep extension vs. skullcrushers
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03-25-2006, 01:18 PM #2Registered User
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skullcrushers
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03-25-2006, 01:25 PM #3Registered User
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Uhh they are the same thing aren't they? Skull crushers, Lying Tricep extensions, head bangers (yea I've heard that before)...
Everyone may perform the exercise slightly different, but whatever its the same exercise overall. Skull Crushers = Lying Tricep Extensions as far as i'm concerned.
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03-25-2006, 01:31 PM #4I just don't know anymore
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Weighted Dips, CGBP, but skullchrushers are nifty.
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03-25-2006, 02:58 PM #5Banned
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Yea, they are the same thing.
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03-25-2006, 03:55 PM #6Registered User
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NO!!! they are NOT the same thing.....I have posted pictures before on this.....
Lying triceps extensions: the bar goes below and behind your head......
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03-25-2006, 04:11 PM #7Banned
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Exactly. The triceps extension has a much greater range of motion.Originally Posted by JOHN GARGANI
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03-25-2006, 04:14 PM #8Registered User
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and that range of motion, Blink, allows you to use much greater weight and much more safely for your elbow joints....
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03-25-2006, 04:16 PM #9
SKULLS SHOULD NOT EVEN BE AN EXERCISE. The bar goes behind and all the way down BEHIND the head. Much more effective, less stress on the elbows.
Use an E-Z curl or hammer grip bar, or two hands around the end of one dumbbell.
Bizarre the misinfo, how many think they're the same thing.
Dips & CG benches do not hit the same areas.Last edited by pumpster; 03-25-2006 at 04:20 PM.
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03-25-2006, 04:21 PM #10LBD
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It's a tossup for me, John. The O.E. engages a broader muscle group and allows for momentum to assist the main tri part of the movement.Originally Posted by JOHN GARGANI
and the S.K. (I've now heard head-banger lol and forehead-smasher) is more isolation, and my elbows are fine.Time To Re-Schedule
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03-25-2006, 04:26 PM #11Registered User
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Tyrbo: you are lucky, because , for many of us, those skull crushers were just hell on the elbows......
yes, it is true: with lying extensions, you are definitely getting momentum from your lats in starting the motion, but when you finish it off, it is all triceps, and the net effect is , as I have said, you can handle much heavier weight.....
it is a modified cheat, designed to protect your elbow joints......
but YOU, my Superman friend, have BIONIC JOINTS!!!! LOL.....
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03-25-2006, 04:33 PM #12LBD
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They get alternated in with different tri workout combos I rotate, so that probably helps. But I need to still watch it and pay attention to how it feels.Originally Posted by JOHN GARGANITime To Re-Schedule
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03-25-2006, 04:37 PM #13Registered User
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Skullcrushers with good form are the same as lying extensions. If you bring the bar to your head then they are known as ELBOW F*CKERS and for good reason.
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03-25-2006, 04:38 PM #14Banned
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Interesting. I can actually use MORE weight on the extension? How can this be possible, if I'm lowering the bar farther? Isn't it more difficult to do one rep, and therefore requires less weight?Originally Posted by JOHN GARGANI
(I've never done the extension before, and I've never seen guys in my gym doing it, but it seems a lot better)
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03-25-2006, 04:39 PM #15I just don't know anymore
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I strongly recommend that one also does CGBP,Weighted Dips in addition to lying extentions.
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03-25-2006, 04:49 PM #16Registered User
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I like seated tricep extensions. I find it easier to keep my upper arm straight. When I do lying extensions it feels really awkward.
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03-25-2006, 04:58 PM #17Registered User
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Both can be hell on elbows IMHO... I can attribute at least a few boughts of tendonitis soley to them. However, John has it right, extensions > skulls.
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03-25-2006, 05:15 PM #18Banned
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I get a much better stretch/contraction from skull crushers. Though I must admit that they are hell on the elbows.
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03-25-2006, 05:25 PM #19Registered User
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a have extreme pain in my elbow if i try skulls now.I never knew that skulls were bad for my elbows.I have use them for a few years maybe that the coz of the pain?now i have been use extenions.Originally Posted by JOHN GARGANIWe are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, Then, Is not an act, But a habit. - Aristotle
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03-25-2006, 05:46 PM #20
I've started doing them seated and really like them that way.
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03-25-2006, 06:00 PM #21Rugger!!!!!!
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Sounds like lying extensions are similar to pull overs...if you were doing them lying down (which I assume you are)?
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03-25-2006, 06:20 PM #22
Extensions are not cheats at all; momentum is controlled by the user. For example, if the bar is brought down behind the head to touch the bench there's no momentum.
Skulls using good form are not the same as extensions, aren't nearly as good a stretch or as effective. Skulls target the muscle closer to the elbow, which is not the main part of the triceps. In addition, going anywhere near failure with skulls is dangerous.
Seated version's best done leaning back against a back support.
Lying versions are many, some very much like pullovers. One version is called the pullover and press. These are the best size builders along with seated extensions.Last edited by pumpster; 03-25-2006 at 06:38 PM.
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03-25-2006, 06:30 PM #23Registered User
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By your descriptions I do lying tricep extensions and not skull crushers, yet I call them skull crushers. My point is who cares what you call it?
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03-25-2006, 06:37 PM #24
Asking that question suggests you haven't picked up on the confusion from some of the other posts. They're as similar as barbell curls and isolation curls. One's the best size builder, the other's mediocre.
Let me know of any top guys doing skulls.Last edited by pumpster; 03-25-2006 at 06:47 PM.
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03-25-2006, 06:48 PM #25Cystic Fibrosis Brah
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I myself switch between lying tricep extensions (ez bar, not db) and seated overhead extensions as my main mass excercises.
If I got this right, by your descriptions, you're saying the skullcrusher is a tricep extension done to the forehead with the upper arm pretty much perpendicular to the floor.
The lying tricep extension is the same motion with the upper arms tilted back so that the weight and bar ends up behind the head.
Both motions have the elbows locked into their respective positions?
If I remember right, I think I do slightly more weight with skullcrushers, but mostly do lying extensions."When my opponent contracts, I expand. And when he expands, I contract.
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03-25-2006, 06:52 PM #26
The difference in weight's unimportant, it's the feel in the muscle.
Elbow positioning's not that important-some say it is, I haven't found that to be the case at all. Don't have to be close together. Just do the movement fairly strictly, then add some cheats at the end. Try different bars-hammer grip, E-Z curl, etc.
Another version worth trying is extensions that resemble pullovers in that the weight is lowered much lower off and below the bench, then raised back up using the usual extension motion. Don't worry about elbow positioning.
Bench dips are a great alternative to dips or close-grips.
http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/exerc...extensions.htm
http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/exercise3/jmpress.htmLast edited by pumpster; 03-25-2006 at 07:16 PM.
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03-26-2006, 10:39 AM #27Train smarter, not harder
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skullcrushers = piss-poor extensions.
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03-26-2006, 11:07 AM #28Registered User
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Yep...Originally Posted by $AJ
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03-26-2006, 08:21 PM #29i eat babies for protein.
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