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    caffeine free pre- workout suppliments

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    I'm new to the suppliment area. I've ben going to the gym for about 5 mnths now and have started seeing some reall noticeable changes. I am unable to take any suppliments with caffeine in them. I'm looking for a new pre workout suppliment that has no caffeine in it. I'm sure i am not the onyl person out there with this problem so if there are anysuggestions can u please respond to this thread.

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    Originally Posted by dredgy2 View Post
    hi guys,
    I'm new to the suppliment area. I've ben going to the gym for about 5 mnths now and have started seeing some reall noticeable changes. I am unable to take any suppliments with caffeine in them. I'm looking for a new pre workout suppliment that has no caffeine in it. I'm sure i am not the onyl person out there with this problem so if there are anysuggestions can u please respond to this thread.

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    REPS by Supplement Direct

    REPS is a innovative pre-workout formula designed to increase performance and work capacity while in the gym, on the field and during periods of sporting competition. REP's works on many different levels within the body, in order to improve work capacity and performance. REP's combines the following ingredients into a powerful and efficient pre-workout intensifier.

    Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate
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    Ribose

    The product is curently in transit and will hopefully be avaiable to the publick on Friday the 15th of February. There are currently two versions avaiable. There is an ELECTRIC LEMONADE and a Caffeine free GRAPELICIOUS flavors. Supplement Direct felt that it was necessary to offer a Caffeine free pre-workout formula for the following reasons:

    -Some individuals train later in the evening or at night and need a caffeine free product.

    -Some individuals are currently taking some form of fat burner and do not wish to consume added caffeine.

    -Many customrs are disipointed with the current pre-workout formulas avaiable and feel that many are just flavored caffeine water. Supplement Direct felt that it is in the best intrest of the consumer to be able to try the formula with out caffeine, in order to trually feel the power of the other 6 ingridents on their own.
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    The goal of every hard training individual is to break down the maximum amount of muscle while training in the gym, or on the field. You do not grow muscle when you train! Instead you grow muscle while you sleep through the body using protein, carbohydrates, fat and hormones to replenish and repair muscle tissue. The sole goal of training in the gym is to break down the muscle fibers further by constantly making small continual progress. Progress in the gym is usually measured in the following ways: adding more reps, sets and or weight on the bar. In fact the mathematical equation for size is as follows:

    Hypertrophy=(Load)(Time Under Tension)(Volume)

    What the equation means is that hypertrophy or size is determined by the load or the amount of weight on the bar multiplied by the time under tension or the number of reps you do, followed by the volume or total number of sets you perform. REP?s works by increasing your ability to make continual progress on each of the three pathways mentioned above which will allow you the ability to add more muscular size.

    Creatine Monohydrate and Ribose work synergistically in a very powerful role. Together they help increase the muscle fuel called ATP or adenosine triphosphate. ATP is the primary energy-producing molecule for short bursts of energy or vigorous muscle contraction. Lifting heavy weights, sprinting for short burst and any form of sparing all use ATP for the muscle?s primary energy source. Unfortunately, as you are exercising, ATP releases its energy at the time of contraction and it breaks apart, loses a phosphate atom, and forms adenosine diphosphate (ADP). The body only maintains a small supply of ATP which is sufficient to last a few seconds. This is why it is paramount to supplement with Creatine and Ribose. Oral supplementation of Ribose has shown to increase athletic performance in young male recreational bodybuilders. In one study the group that received Ribose had significant increases in muscular strength and total work performance after four weeks, compared with pre-treatment levels. No changes were noted in those using a placebo. (15) In 1998, a study conducted showed that creatine can increase both strength and endurance in athletes. Creatine was given to 25 football players who had reached a plateau while undergoing a difficult weight-training program. After 28 days of supplementation with creatine, researchers measured a 41 percent increase in ?total lifting volume? (sum of all lifts). (11) Have you ever reached a training plateau and wanted to break through it? Supplementation with Creatine and Ribose just might be the ticket for you. One year later, another study which lasted 35 days showed that 42 football players had improvement in both strength and mass. (7) Creatine and Ribose do not only work for men, as a study of 29 women who took supplemental creatine for ten weeks also made improvements in strength and muscle mass. (16) Some researchers have shown strength gains with as little as five to seven days of supplementation. (14),(17) Creatine supplementation is also beneficial to older weightlifters and athletes. In a double blind study conducted at the University of Saskatchewan, found that creatine supplementation in conjunction with a weight training program demonstrated a significant advantage of creatine over placebo in terms of increased lean body mass, reduction in body fat, and increased muscular strength, and endurance in men over the age of 70. (5) Overall creatine and ribose supplementation enhance muscular function and size along with cardiovascular, and neurological function. (8) (18)

    Beta-Alanine is the rate-limiting precursor of the amino acid Carnosine. What this means is that the more Beta-Alanine you ingest the more Carnosine your body can produce. Supplementation with beta-Alanine has been shown to increase the concentration of Carnosine in muscles, decrease fatigue in athletes and increase total muscular work performed in one training session. (6)(9) A recent study by Dr. Hoffman and Colleagues recently examined stacking Creatine and Beta-Alanine together and the results were simply amazing. The study used 33 highly trained college football players and monitored their results for 10 weeks. Prior to and following the 10-week study, the researchers had the football players keep a log of their dietary intake, measured the athletes' body composition, body weight, one-repetition maximum in the bench press and squat. The football players who consumed creatine and beta-Alanine increased their 1 repetition max on the bench by roughly 25 pounds. Increases in one-rep squat max were even greater in that the increase in their 1 repetition maximum was increased by nearly 50 pounds. The athletes also gained a significant amount of muscle mass and lost 1.2% of body fat. (10) Overall a very impressive study!

    Citrulline Malate is a combination of two non-essential amino acids that play a role in nitrogen balance and metabolic processes. Citrulline Malate improves aerobic performance and capacity by influencing lactic acid metabolism and reducing fatigue. Citrulline Malate helps to reduce lactic acid during intense training. Lactic acid is one of the compounds that are responsible for the intense burn that you feel towards the end of a set. For most individuals, if the intense burn is buffered, they can usually get another repetition or two which can lead to more muscle mass when compounded over hundreds of workouts during a year of training. Citrulline Malate also has the ability to increase plasma levels of Arginine within the body which can also lead to an increase in Nitric Oxide, ?NO? levels (7),(12). Citrulline has also shown to increase ATP (Andenosine Triphosphate), which is the major source of energy during exercise along with greater phosphocreatine recovery after exercise (3).

    Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate is an advanced form of the amino acid Arginine used by bodybuilders and athletes to prolong the muscle pump, accelerate muscle growth, speed recovery and improve sexual performance. Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate is suitable for bodybuilders, athletes and regular gym users wanting to gain muscle size and strength, get a better muscle "pump" while working out, and improve sexual vigor. Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate works on many pathways within the body by stimulating the production of nitric oxide and insulin. Insulin is a very potent anabolic hormone, especially post workout. The anecdotal evidence reported from many satisfied gym users shows a clear increase in muscle pump, but what is more amazing is the possible strength increases associated with Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate. During an 8 week study, the group that received the AAKG increased their one repetition maximum on the bench press by an average of 19 pounds while the placebo group added only 5 pounds. (4) Who out there would like to add 19 pounds to their bench press?

    Taurine is a conditionally essential amino acid and is the second most abundant amino in muscle tissue. Taurine has demonstrated muscle cell volumizing and insulin like effects, which can help to enhance protein synthesis and enhance glucose and amino acid metabolism. Taurine's powerful anti-catabolic effects have been well documented. Intense exercise and stress quickly deplete Taurine levels in the muscle. Therefore many researchers now believe that all high-intensity bodybuilders looking to maximize gains in strength and size should include Taurine in their daily supplement regimen. In one study a beverage containing Taurine, simple carbs and caffeine, just like in REP?s increases endurance performance in humans (1). In REP?s there is also 7 grams of Dextrose which will help in providing energy and keeping your blood sugar levels from dropping to low during physical exercise.

    Caffeine has been around for a long time and helps to increase exercise performance, mental focus and provide a short term reduction of fatigue. One study looked at caffeine and its direct effect on the central nervous system and strength gains. In this recent study, 37 men were divided into a caffeine or placebo group. The caffeine group received a supplement that contained approximately 200 mg caffeine and the other group received a placebo. Rep?s also contains 200 mg of caffeine which is the perfect amount for most individuals. One hour after ingestion of the supplements, each individual was tested for their 1 repetition maximum on the bench press and their total repetitions. The caffeine group demonstrated an increase in maximal bench press strength compared to placebo, and also performed more repetitions using a sub-maximal load. This study shows that when caffeine in the amount of a small cup of coffee is ingested prior to exercise workout performance measured in strength and total lifting capacity are improved (2).
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    References

    (1). Amino Acids. 2001;20(1):75-82. The influence of a taurine containing drink on cardiac parameters before and after exercise measured by echocardiography. Baum M, Weiss M.

    (2). Beck TW, Housh TJ, Schmidt RJ, Johnson GO, Housh DJ, Coburn JW, Malek MH. The acute effects of a caffeine-containing supplement on strength, muscular endurance, and anaerobic capabilities. J Strength Cond Res. 2006 Aug;20(3):506-10.

    (3). Bendahan D, Mattei JP, Ghattas B, Confort-Gouny S, Le Guern ME, Cozzone PJ. Br J Sports Med. 2002 Aug;36(4):282-9

    (4). Campbell B, Baer J, Roberts M, Vacanti T, Marcello B, Thomas A, Kerksick C, Wilborn, C, Rohle D, Taylor L, Rasmussen C, Greenwood M, Wilson R, Kreider R. Effects of arginine alpha-ketoglutarate supplementation on body composition and training adaptations. Sports Nutrition Review Journal 1 (1): S10, 2004

    (5). Crusch, Milibeck, P.D., Chad, K.E., et al. Creatine supplementation combined with resistance training in older men. Med Sci Sports & Exercise, 2001, 33: 12, 2111-2117

    (6). Derave W, Ozdemir MS, Harris R, Pottier A, Reyngoudt H, Koppo K, Wise JA, Achten E. (Aug 9). "Beta-alanine supplementation augments muscle carnosine content and attenuates fatigue during repeated isokinetic contraction bouts in trained sprinters". J Appl Physiol. PMID 17690198

    (7). Dhanakoti, S. N. et al, Am. J. Physiol. 259:E437-E442, (1990)

    (8). Gordon A, et al. Creatine supplementation in chronic heart failure increases skeletal muscle creatine phosphate and muscle performance. Cardiovascular Research, 1995. Vol. 30:3,413-418.

    (9). Hill CA, Harris RC, Kim HJ, Harris BD, Sale C, Boobis LH, Kim CK, Wise JA. (2007). "Influence of beta-alanine supplementation on skeletal muscle carnosine concentrations and high intensity cycling capacity". Amino Acids 32 (2): 225-33. PMID 16868650.

    (10). Hoffman et al. Effect of creatine and beta-alanine supplementation on performance and endocrine responses in strength/power athletes. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2006 Aug;16(4):430-46.

    (11). Kreider, R.B., Ferreira, M., Wilsoln, M., et al. Effects of creatine supplementation on body composition, strength, and sprint performance. Med Sci Sports Exerc, 1998, 30: 73-82.

    (12). Schmidt, H.H.HW. et al, Cell 78:919-925, (1994)

    (13). Stone, M.H., Sanborn, K., Smith, L.L., et al. Effects of in-season (5 weeks) creatine and pyruvate supplementation on anaerobic performance and body composition in American football players. Int J Sport Nutr, 1999, 9: 146-165.

    (14). Urbanski, R.L., Vincent, W.J., Yuaspelkis, B.B. Creatine supplementation differentially affects maximal isometric strength and time to fatigue in large and small muscle groups. Int J Sport Nutr, 1999, 9: 136-145.

    (15). Van Gammeren, D., Falk, D., and Antonio, J. The effects of four weeks of ribose supplementation on body composition and exercise performance in healthy, young, male recreational body builders: A double-blind, placebo controlled trial. Current Therapeutic Research, 2002, 63: 8, 486-495.

    (16). Vandenberghe, K., Goris, M., Van Hecke, P, et al. Long-term creatine intake is beneficial to muscle performance during resistance training. J Appl Physiol, 1997, 83: 2055-2063.

    (17). Volek, J.S., Kraemer, W.J., Bush, J.A., et al. Creatine supplementation enhances muscular performance during high intensity resistance exercise. J Am Diet Assoc, 1997, 97: 765-770.

    (18). Tarnopolsky, M.A. Potential benefits of creatine monohydrate supplementation in the elderly. Curr Opin Clin Nutr Metab Care, 2000, 3: 6, 495-502.
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    caffeine free ragnarok or animal pump (minus the red pill) are worth looking into.
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    Originally Posted by REPSforumRep View Post
    avaiable to the publick

    -Many customrs are disipointed with the current pre-workout formulas avaiable

    it is in the best intrest
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    Originally Posted by dredgy2 View Post
    hi guys,
    I'm new to the suppliment area. I've ben going to the gym for about 5 mnths now and have started seeing some reall noticeable changes. I am unable to take any suppliments with caffeine in them. I'm looking for a new pre workout suppliment that has no caffeine in it. I'm sure i am not the onyl person out there with this problem so if there are anysuggestions can u please respond to this thread.

    Thanks
    Vasospan is a pre-workout NO product designed to increase blow flow to the muscle bellies which should increase your intensity in the gym. It is also caffeine free. Purple wraath is another one designed to give stim free energy along with ragnarok. Legal gear sciences has cold fusion explosion which contains NO and Creatine in a powder thats not stim as well. There are tons out there.

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    Originally Posted by XCriticalBenchX View Post
    Vasospan is a pre-workout NO product designed to increase blow flow to the muscle bellies which should increase your intensity in the gym. It is also caffeine free. Purple wraath is another one designed to give stim free energy along with ragnarok. Legal gear sciences has cold fusion explosion which contains NO and Creatine in a powder thats not stim as well. There are tons out there.

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    That is a good list! Since Purple Wrath has so many EEA's I would not clasify it as a Pre-Workout Intensifier, but everyone has a different call on each product.
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    Originally Posted by dredgy2 View Post
    I am unable to take any suppliments with caffeine in them. I'm looking for a new pre workout suppliment that has no caffeine in it.

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    Originally Posted by REPSforumRep View Post
    REPS is a innovative pre-workout formula designed to increase performance and work capacity while in the gym, on the field and during periods of sporting competition. REP's works on many different levels within the body, in order to improve work capacity and performance. REP's combines the following ingredients into a powerful and efficient pre-workout intensifier.

    Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate
    Creatine Monohydrate
    L-Citrulline Malate
    Beta Alanine
    Caffeine
    Taurine
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    The Grapelocious version is caffeine free! It has the same quantity of the other ingredients minus the caffeine. I forgot to pull the caffeine part out, sorry for the confusion.
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    Animal Pump minus the red pill, and stim free rag are great choices

    I am bias here but First Order is also a great stim free product that can be added to any stack for results
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    Originally Posted by ncangey0513 View Post
    caffeine free ragnarok or animal pump (minus the red pill) are worth looking into.
    I can vouch for stim free rag. Awesome stuff.
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    i cannot intake caffiene either, im also in need of a pre workout supp. ive been taking creatine, which i saw good results from. but im with u on the caffiene thing
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    Originally Posted by REPSforumRep View Post
    The goal of every hard training individual is to break down the maximum amount of muscle while training in the gym, or on the field. You do not grow muscle when you train! Instead you grow muscle while you sleep through the body using protein, carbohydrates, fat and hormones to replenish and repair muscle tissue. The sole goal of training in the gym is to break down the muscle fibers further by constantly making small continual progress. Progress in the gym is usually measured in the following ways: adding more reps, sets and or weight on the bar. In fact the mathematical equation for size is as follows:

    Hypertrophy=(Load)(Time Under Tension)(Volume)

    What the equation means is that hypertrophy or size is determined by the load or the amount of weight on the bar multiplied by the time under tension or the number of reps you do, followed by the volume or total number of sets you perform. REP?s works by increasing your ability to make continual progress on each of the three pathways mentioned above which will allow you the ability to add more muscular size.

    Creatine Monohydrate and Ribose work synergistically in a very powerful role. Together they help increase the muscle fuel called ATP or adenosine triphosphate. ATP is the primary energy-producing molecule for short bursts of energy or vigorous muscle contraction. Lifting heavy weights, sprinting for short burst and any form of sparing all use ATP for the muscle?s primary energy source. Unfortunately, as you are exercising, ATP releases its energy at the time of contraction and it breaks apart, loses a phosphate atom, and forms adenosine diphosphate (ADP). The body only maintains a small supply of ATP which is sufficient to last a few seconds. This is why it is paramount to supplement with Creatine and Ribose. Oral supplementation of Ribose has shown to increase athletic performance in young male recreational bodybuilders. In one study the group that received Ribose had significant increases in muscular strength and total work performance after four weeks, compared with pre-treatment levels. No changes were noted in those using a placebo. (15) In 1998, a study conducted showed that creatine can increase both strength and endurance in athletes. Creatine was given to 25 football players who had reached a plateau while undergoing a difficult weight-training program. After 28 days of supplementation with creatine, researchers measured a 41 percent increase in ?total lifting volume? (sum of all lifts). (11) Have you ever reached a training plateau and wanted to break through it? Supplementation with Creatine and Ribose just might be the ticket for you. One year later, another study which lasted 35 days showed that 42 football players had improvement in both strength and mass. (7) Creatine and Ribose do not only work for men, as a study of 29 women who took supplemental creatine for ten weeks also made improvements in strength and muscle mass. (16) Some researchers have shown strength gains with as little as five to seven days of supplementation. (14),(17) Creatine supplementation is also beneficial to older weightlifters and athletes. In a double blind study conducted at the University of Saskatchewan, found that creatine supplementation in conjunction with a weight training program demonstrated a significant advantage of creatine over placebo in terms of increased lean body mass, reduction in body fat, and increased muscular strength, and endurance in men over the age of 70. (5) Overall creatine and ribose supplementation enhance muscular function and size along with cardiovascular, and neurological function. (8) (18)

    Beta-Alanine is the rate-limiting precursor of the amino acid Carnosine. What this means is that the more Beta-Alanine you ingest the more Carnosine your body can produce. Supplementation with beta-Alanine has been shown to increase the concentration of Carnosine in muscles, decrease fatigue in athletes and increase total muscular work performed in one training session. (6)(9) A recent study by Dr. Hoffman and Colleagues recently examined stacking Creatine and Beta-Alanine together and the results were simply amazing. The study used 33 highly trained college football players and monitored their results for 10 weeks. Prior to and following the 10-week study, the researchers had the football players keep a log of their dietary intake, measured the athletes' body composition, body weight, one-repetition maximum in the bench press and squat. The football players who consumed creatine and beta-Alanine increased their 1 repetition max on the bench by roughly 25 pounds. Increases in one-rep squat max were even greater in that the increase in their 1 repetition maximum was increased by nearly 50 pounds. The athletes also gained a significant amount of muscle mass and lost 1.2% of body fat. (10) Overall a very impressive study!

    Citrulline Malate is a combination of two non-essential amino acids that play a role in nitrogen balance and metabolic processes. Citrulline Malate improves aerobic performance and capacity by influencing lactic acid metabolism and reducing fatigue. Citrulline Malate helps to reduce lactic acid during intense training. Lactic acid is one of the compounds that are responsible for the intense burn that you feel towards the end of a set. For most individuals, if the intense burn is buffered, they can usually get another repetition or two which can lead to more muscle mass when compounded over hundreds of workouts during a year of training. Citrulline Malate also has the ability to increase plasma levels of Arginine within the body which can also lead to an increase in Nitric Oxide, ?NO? levels (7),(12). Citrulline has also shown to increase ATP (Andenosine Triphosphate), which is the major source of energy during exercise along with greater phosphocreatine recovery after exercise (3).

    Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate is an advanced form of the amino acid Arginine used by bodybuilders and athletes to prolong the muscle pump, accelerate muscle growth, speed recovery and improve sexual performance. Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate is suitable for bodybuilders, athletes and regular gym users wanting to gain muscle size and strength, get a better muscle "pump" while working out, and improve sexual vigor. Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate works on many pathways within the body by stimulating the production of nitric oxide and insulin. Insulin is a very potent anabolic hormone, especially post workout. The anecdotal evidence reported from many satisfied gym users shows a clear increase in muscle pump, but what is more amazing is the possible strength increases associated with Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate. During an 8 week study, the group that received the AAKG increased their one repetition maximum on the bench press by an average of 19 pounds while the placebo group added only 5 pounds. (4) Who out there would like to add 19 pounds to their bench press?

    Taurine is a conditionally essential amino acid and is the second most abundant amino in muscle tissue. Taurine has demonstrated muscle cell volumizing and insulin like effects, which can help to enhance protein synthesis and enhance glucose and amino acid metabolism. Taurine's powerful anti-catabolic effects have been well documented. Intense exercise and stress quickly deplete Taurine levels in the muscle. Therefore many researchers now believe that all high-intensity bodybuilders looking to maximize gains in strength and size should include Taurine in their daily supplement regimen. In one study a beverage containing Taurine, simple carbs and caffeine, just like in REP?s increases endurance performance in humans (1). In REP?s there is also 7 grams of Dextrose which will help in providing energy and keeping your blood sugar levels from dropping to low during physical exercise.

    Caffeine has been around for a long time and helps to increase exercise performance, mental focus and provide a short term reduction of fatigue. One study looked at caffeine and its direct effect on the central nervous system and strength gains. In this recent study, 37 men were divided into a caffeine or placebo group. The caffeine group received a supplement that contained approximately 200 mg caffeine and the other group received a placebo. Rep?s also contains 200 mg of caffeine which is the perfect amount for most individuals. One hour after ingestion of the supplements, each individual was tested for their 1 repetition maximum on the bench press and their total repetitions. The caffeine group demonstrated an increase in maximal bench press strength compared to placebo, and also performed more repetitions using a sub-maximal load. This study shows that when caffeine in the amount of a small cup of coffee is ingested prior to exercise workout performance measured in strength and total lifting capacity are improved (2).
    This is an excellent post! Thank you.
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    Strong bump i know but anything out there at the moment?

    Im just thinking the trusty old Dymatize xpand should do the trick.
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