again, Lee haney 18-19inch arm, Zane: you decide
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Thread: Frank Zane's measurements....
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03-15-2006, 05:39 PM #61
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03-15-2006, 05:40 PM #62
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03-15-2006, 07:57 PM #63
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07-01-2006, 10:03 AM #64
I just read the different comments about arm size on here. First, measurements do matter, judging solely by appearance isn't that wise, measurements give you the plain truth. i have a friend who is 6' ft, 210lbs, same height and weight of serge nubret, and my friend is a pro too. His measurement, bc i was there when they were measured were 16.5 '' arms when pumped, and like a 45-46'' chest pumped. But bc he has a low bf%, like 8%, he looks huge, i mean huge. He looks bigger than Frank Zane, not by much though, but for Frank Zane to have 16.5'' arms is probably accurate, considering his height and weight. they were probably bigger in his prime, but arms decrease in size with time. plus, pros lie about they measurements all the time. The lower the bf%, the bigger you look, period. Saying that Frank Zane had bigger than 18'' arms is like saying that Van Damme had 17'' arms, Vin Diesel has 17.5'', etc., if you can really judge by appearance, they don't at all.
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07-01-2006, 12:49 PM #65
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Originally Posted by 4themostHIGH
while I agree with all your points, your numbers are a bit off...I am no where near a pro, and I have 16.5 inch arms, at about 10% bf, at 15% bf they are 17inch arms...van damme and vin diesel both probably have 17 inch or higher arms, and frank zane probably had about 17inch arms
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07-01-2006, 01:51 PM #66
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07-02-2006, 06:50 AM #69
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firstly, it irritates me the amount of people who do not know the meaning of the word "symmetry". Symmetry refers to the equality between the left and right respective sides of the body, NOT the proportions of muscle groups.
secondly, as some people have stated, there is much missconception regarding arm sizes around here. By my guesses i would say Zane was around the 18" mark, he was not small, 18" arms are very big, especially when brought in with such conditioning. There are plenty of fat average joes out there with 17-18" arms, but chop down their bodyfat and they will be 15" chumps or less.
Quelly, the comparative pic you showed with Arnold and Zane was from the 1967 Universe i believe, this was not in Arnold's prime (he peaked in 75), nor was this Zane's prime, i think it is a poor basis to compare. And also Arnold did have 23" FLEXED and PUMPED arms in his prime, this has been shown in many publications. Look at his bicep peak, it was just bull****.
And finally, have fun finding a Natty that has an OVERALL PHYSIQUE equal to what Zane had obtained IN HIS PRIME.
Please take note of the capitalised words here people, read it good and hard before you make a stupid comment.
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07-02-2006, 07:01 AM #71
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Originally Posted by Quelly
just some proof, arnie didn't compete in the 67 universe
EDIT: correction, he didn't compete in the IFBB Universe, which Zane did, he competed in the NABBA Universe....and yes I'm confused tooLast edited by Quelly; 07-02-2006 at 07:04 AM.
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07-04-2006, 12:21 PM #72
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07-04-2006, 07:19 PM #73
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07-04-2006, 07:44 PM #74
googled it, I did
http://www.musclememory.com/showArticle.php?sh670124
Zane's measurements are at the bottom of the article.
Measurements are a good way to check progress but, judges at shows don't use measuring tape so...
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07-05-2006, 09:29 AM #75
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07-05-2006, 10:53 AM #76Originally Posted by timmy47
I also have Steeves Reeve's "How to Build a Classical Physique - the Natural Way." He talks a lot more about his measurements, I found it very interesting. He also lists the perfect proportions for a body, with percentages (i.e. forearm should be X% of upper arm, etc.), along with ideal weights for the classical physique (I believe he states a 6'0 person should be 200 lbs., add 10 lbs if he has heavy bones and subtract 10 lbs if he is light boned). He provides a chart in his book...
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07-05-2006, 02:59 PM #78
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Originally Posted by TRICK D
http://www.musclememory.com/showArticle.php?sh670124
Originally Posted by colinoday
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07-05-2006, 04:31 PM #79
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I totally know what you mean about him being a great poser and all, but at 5'8, 32 inch waist really isn't that impressive. I mean Melvin rocks a much smaller waist at a lot bigger, Dexter has a lot smaller waist too. I just can't look at zane and see a 32 inch waist...
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07-07-2006, 01:05 PM #80
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05-15-2007, 01:07 PM #81
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05-15-2007, 01:54 PM #82
You guys need to keep in mind that Zane was a force when guys like Sergio, Arnold, Draper, Robinson, and Columbu, dominated the scene. Ferrigno was a late comer, but the point is that this guy was not a small man. Look at pictures of him in the off season.
The difference is that when he cut down and his genetics were revealed he had smaller bones, joints and bellies than a lot of the other pros.
The reason he is so revered today is that most guys with average or ecto genetics can relate to him so well. They feel that if he could do it why can't they. I'd be shocked though if his arms in contest shape were over 18" no matter how good he looked.
Zane was a balanced muscular physique. In 1980, coming off a very serious injury he was vulnerable to Arnold and frankly Arnold knew it. Had Zane NOT had that injury, I put my money that Arnold would never even have competed. Zane was never able to get back his previous form even after that. But, he is still one of the greats.All great men have one thing in common.
Wish I knew what it was.
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05-15-2007, 02:00 PM #83
i disagree man. natural guys do not have that conditioning. they may have some more mass on their frames but no natural guy beats frank zane. lets see a comparison. i totally agree that natural guys can be bigger. but that cut, i mean jesus his skin looks like a cm thick
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05-15-2007, 02:58 PM #84
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05-15-2007, 07:14 PM #86
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natural guys these days can get as cut as non nattys easy....in fact having competed in both tested and untested shows I can say that natty shows these days focus more on conditioning because freaky size isnt as attainable, and thus were seeing an era of super conditioned naturals...look at str8flexed or semper the new scivation sponsored natural bodybuilder here on the forums, better conditioning than most IFBB pros
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05-15-2007, 07:26 PM #88
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You compete? Like in bodybuilding?
Im not flaming....but like 6"1 178...looks like a normal everyday person who went on a superclean diet and does some bodyweight work. Is that what nattie bbing is like...
IM HONESLTY ASKING AND NOT FLAMING...IM A BIG GUY SO SOME PHYSIQUES JUST ARENT IMPRESSIVE TO ME AND I AM SIMPLY EXPRESSING MY OWN OPINION.
I always thought Zanes physique was amazing for a smaller dude.
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05-15-2007, 07:32 PM #89
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well, you can look at the picture of me, its right above the weight and height....I don't think I look like an everyday guy...I certainly get outmassed by big guys and my placings suffer for it, and I'm actually a tad bit small even for natty comps, but they don't weigh you on stage, I dont think I look like a swimmer in my shots, but hey I definitely acknowledge I need more mass....I'm an ecto it aint like I'm not trying.
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05-15-2007, 07:39 PM #90
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