A LOT of overweight people don't eat enough...

[JJanet]

... at least, that's what a trainer said to me today. I was thinking of getting some sessions with him, but after that comment, it made me wonder if I should even bother. Thoughts?

[ProGoal]

Originally Posted by JJanet

... at least, that's what a trainer said to me today. I was thinking of getting some sessions with him, but after that comment, it made me wonder if I should even bother. Thoughts?

he meant often enough and smaller meals...most skip breakfast..ff for lunch and a huge dinner then snack all night

[1972girl]

My partner is like that(70lbs overweight).My partner does not eat untell about four or five hours after getting up and then eats very little and then eats at night.I dont think of it so much as not eating enough but moore like not eating often enough.Maybe not eating often enough is what he meant.But thats just IMO.

[-Aaron-]

Not new news.

[JJanet]

I guess I should mention how he elaborated with "They don't get enough calories in the day". It seemed like an excuse because in my opinion, most overweight people are the way that are because they eat the wrong foods and usually too much of it.

[ShadyRensch]

They probably go too far if they're trying to lose weight, and get into starvation mode, which is not good for very large people.

[JJanet]

Originally Posted by ShadyRensch

They probably go too far if they're trying to lose weight, and get into starvation mode, which is not good for very large people.

But do you think that is the MAIN problem? I know these are generalizations, but overall, I think the biggest problem with people carrying excess bodyfat is usually too much horrible food! At least, this is what I have observed!

[qdiddy69]

ive been on a cutting program lately which i intake about 500 calories less then usual and i usually have to stuff calories down in 1 or 2 meals a day, i think what he means is they diet the wrong way, and if you cut calories in the smart way you dont have to starve yourself at all, which would difinatly be more effective and healtheir

[Big_Spaz]

Not really an ignorant statement at all. He should have worded it better though.

He's right, smaller, healthier meals throughout the entire day is probably better than the small, crappy meals they are eating now.





-Spaz

[JJanet]

All right, all right - I won't blackball the guy, LOL.

[mwlaxjt]

i eat about 3800 clean cals per day which is ALOT of food but my dad who is my height but 40 lbs heavier prolly eats more cals just less food cuz it's **** food

so in essence he eats less than me but he intakes more cals which is why he is fat... plus he eats at most three times a day and most of it is at night... if he eats breakfast its either nearly two cups worth of grape nuts (3x the serving size) or a pop tart which either way is not a good way to start off the day

fat people just eat stupid

[Chin@man]

A huge meal at night.... and no break fast kind of eatin habit is makin them fat?

WHat if Cal they are consumin is less than their maintenance?

[joeflex73]

Think just on absorption alone, in the case of protein. The body will use and store all calories. If they eat 2 large meals, even if they have 80g of protein per (12oz steak for dinner or 2 chicken breasts...not uncommon for a strong eater), how much of that is actually used as protein? Maybe half. That'd account for alone 320 extra fat/carb calories after the protein has been oxidized. Meal timing is important.

[Dr. Horse]

Originally Posted by JJanet

... at least, that's what a trainer said to me today. I was thinking of getting some sessions with him, but after that comment, it made me wonder if I should even bother. Thoughts?

You have good instincts. I wouldn't bother. It is a pretty silly statement to make. Fat people eat too much and don't do enough, plain and simple.

[Chin@man]

"Fat people eat more than their maintenance priod"


Isnt that correct?

If you eat less than maintenance, you lose weight.

[Dr. Horse]

Originally Posted by Chin@man

"Fat people eat more than their maintenance priod"


Isnt that correct?

If you eat less than maintenance, you lose weight.

No, they might be eating at their maintenance, if their weight is stable. However to gain the weight that made them fat, yes, they had to eat above their maintenance at that time.

[DoubleWide]

Originally Posted by Chin@man

A huge meal at night.... and no break fast kind of eatin habit is makin them fat?

WHat if Cal they are consumin is less than their maintenance?

Eating this way can screw up the metabolism and slow it down.
Large single meals especially at the end of the day can cause the body to store fat. Body says it doesn't get enough energy when it needs it so it stores it for later use.
Large single meal - body has use it, store it, or get rid of it.

The reasoning behind 6-8 meals is that the body gets the energy it needs and can use it right away. Since there is no starvation at all, the body does not have store much for later use.

Another benefit is that the stomach doesn't get stretched out as much when eating small meals.

[Chin@man]

Lets say....

Fat man A eats 2000kcal in the morning and go to work....
and eat 500kcalish ice cream before bed...

His maintenance is 3000.... He loses weight?

Fat man B eats nothin in the mornin and eat a 500calish sandwich for lunch and a 2000kcal pizza and a can of coke before bed...


His maintenance is 3000... He losses weight?


Im a strong believer of cal in cal out theory.


A is more likely to lose weight?
B is more likely to get fat?

[Dr. Horse]

That's easy. The guy that drinks the coke gets/stays fatter. A couple extra hundred cals a day is all it takes.

[Chin@man]

Originally Posted by Mr. Horse

That's easy. The guy that drinks the coke gets/stays fatter. A couple extra hundred cals a day is all it takes.

I see..


So, you believe in Cal in Cal out too?

Rather than meal timing...

[Anonymoushead]

Originally Posted by JJanet

... at least, that's what a trainer said to me today. I was thinking of getting some sessions with him, but after that comment, it made me wonder if I should even bother. Thoughts?

Absolute, absolute, ABSOLUTE effing BULL****.

The trainer knows nothing.

This makes me soooo frustrated. It's typical gym-rate, psuedo-scientific CRAP.

There is such a massive amount of misinformation flying around the fitness industry, and ESPECIALLY on the Internet that, not only will you hear the most absurd theories, you will also get arrogant little twats spouting off at you when you tell them it's ridiculous nonsense.

As you can tell, I'm really annoyed at this.

NO - if they are overweight it is because they are eating too much energy. Period, full-fuggen-stop. This "trainer" might be surprised to know that stored energy (fat) does not miraculously appear on it's own out of thin air even though that person is actually not consuming any extra energy ("not eating enough").

"Starvation mode" is a related, but almost as equally ludicrous theory. Based on the fact that a person's metabolism slows down under conditions of severe starvation (like 0 calories, in a hospital bed), some people will have you believe that your body will start "hoarding fat" with even a moderate calorie deficiency. Fat is the human bodies store of energy for times of starvation. To suggest that when this time comes around your body hoardes it and shuts down vital bodily functions in order to conserve the store of useless energy (fat) is just absolutely absurd.

Yes, your metabolism adjusts slightly during strict dieting - let me just get that out of the way straight away. But to suggest that your body will "hoard fat" and that an overweight person will fail to lose weight because they are not eating enough energy just shows a fundamental ignorance of the most basic laws of physics (i.e. you can't make something from nothing, and you can't make nothing from something).

If you are dieting down on too severe a calorie deficiency, you will still lose weight! And you'll lose a lot of it too!! But it's not healthy to diet like this and the weight you lose will also be a lot of lean muscle. The person might still look soft, but it is NOT because their body is hoarding fat!! It's burning fat as fast as it can! That's just not fast enough so it's burning muscle as well! And because it's burning both at the same time, their muscle:fat ratio is staying similar and they retain a similar soft look. But they are NOT "hoarding fat" and they are DEFINITELY NOT staying the same weight.

Remember, weight loss is different to fat loss. It's very bad to diet down on a severe calorie deficiency, but anyone who tells you that your body will hoard fat and that you will not lose weight is just ignorant and spreading the type of stupid fitness industry misinformation that makes me go off on rants like this one.

Grrrrrrrr. ;-)

[PyroBurns]

If cals in cals out were so 100 percent true, why isn't anyone who gives even a half assed effort completely ripped?

Obese people don't have to gorge to become fat. It has to do with their metabolism, insulin, and pancrease. Calories are just a guideline, not a rule.

[qdiddy69]

Originally Posted by Chin@man

Lets say....

Fat man A eats 2000kcal in the morning and go to work....
and eat 500kcalish ice cream before bed...

His maintenance is 3000.... He loses weight?

Fat man B eats nothin in the mornin and eat a 500calish sandwich for lunch and a 2000kcal pizza and a can of coke before bed...


His maintenance is 3000... He losses weight?


Im a strong believer of cal in cal out theory.


A is more likely to lose weight?
B is more likely to get fat?

yeah your right but a lil off in the fact that the counterpart that ate a huge mean wouldnt have a maintenance of 3000, his metabolism would be horrible compare to the first theirfore his matenience would be lower, plus we all know the health faults in eating like that... not enough nutreints being absorbed

[Oddball8945]

Originally Posted by ProGoal

he meant often enough and smaller meals...most skip breakfast..ff for lunch and a huge dinner then snack all night

sounds like me cept idk what ff for lunch is, im not fat

[Dr. Horse]

Originally Posted by PyroBurns

Obese people don't have to gorge to become fat. It has to do with their metabolism, insulin, and pancrease.

What does pancrease have to do with obesity?

[PyroBurns]

Its release of hormones.

[JJanet]

Anonymoushead - LOL. My reaction was a bit like yours... but a bit scaled down... LOL!!

But I feel better today. I saw him today, and asked him this question: "If I wanted to get the MOST LBM possible with the LEAST amount of BF, what percentage of my results would come from nutrition versus my workouts?"

Because if he said something like, most of the results would be from the workouts, I don't think he would be the right personal trainer for me But he said "At LEAST 75% is nutrition". So I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he worded yesterday's comment poorly.

[PyroBurns]

He's right though. The obese are actually as starved as the anorexics. It's hard for them to truly benefit from what they currently eat.

You truly have to listen to your body to feed it the way it is meant to be fed.

[Dr. Horse]

Originally Posted by PyroBurns

Its release of hormones.

Pancrease is an enzyme, not a hormone. Do you mean pancreas?

[PyroBurns]

Yes.