IDS Waximaize

[muzlehed]

Definatly a good product gives your muscles a full hard feeling during and after your workout and speeds up recovery Been on it for a week and a half 1 scoop during my workout and 2 post workout. Taste isnt bad but it has the consistency of plaster compound. Eventually going to go for the Pure Vitargo but its a little to pricey for my budget right now and bb.com stopped carying it they should definatly bring it back the guy at GNC told me they will be getting it in soon (for about 70 bucks a tub)

[jeremyleinen]

have you used maltodextrin before? how much better is the WMS?

[muzlehed]

i have used maltodextrin i used the cytosport cytocarb II that malto was a lot sweeter and mixed a little better but i didnt get the fullness or the pumps from it i think there is better science behind the waxi maize it has a higher molecular weight so its supposed to bypass the stomach so it enters your bloodstream more effectively

[jeremyleinen]

Where is WMS on the GI scale? a big reason I used the malto/dextrose in my pwo drink is that is spikes insulin, and I want that after lifting weights.

[shardsofglass]

I just got some PrimaForce CarbSLam...will be trying it out similar to how your running yours; 1 scoop before with 1 cup oats, 1 scoop after...and running P-SLin at the same time.

Hopefully the pumps should be insane!

[JIGSAW]

Originally Posted by muzlehed

Definatly a good product gives your muscles a full hard feeling during and after your workout and speeds up recovery Been on it for a week and a half 1 scoop during my workout and 2 post workout. Taste isnt bad but it has the consistency of plaster compound. Eventually going to go for the Pure Vitargo but its a little to pricey for my budget right now and bb.com stopped carying it they should definatly bring it back the guy at GNC told me they will be getting it in soon (for about 70 bucks a tub)

Vitargo CGL!!! Cre Mono plus WMS.
my fav

[muzlehed]

not sure about the GI and im not really fond of the vitargo cgl for what im using it for 20g of creatine is unnecessary and i dont respond to mono either way

[joecseko]

Originally Posted by muzlehed

Definatly a good product gives your muscles a full hard feeling during and after your workout and speeds up recovery Been on it for a week and a half 1 scoop during my workout and 2 post workout. Taste isnt bad but it has the consistency of plaster compound. Eventually going to go for the Pure Vitargo but its a little to pricey for my budget right now and bb.com stopped carying it they should definatly bring it back the guy at GNC told me they will be getting it in soon (for about 70 bucks a tub)

Wow, after I figured out what you were saying,beaking your spelling codes (definatly=fefinitely etc. No punctuation either!), I'd like to point out some serious supplementation errors.

1. NEVER supplement ANY carbohydrate immediately before or during a workout! This causes a spike in blood glucose> insulin secretion, then, NO growth hormone benefit! Add to that, the lack of GH leads to little to no metabolism of the GH to IGF-1.

2.Also, the extra calories may lead to testosterone being cleared from the bloodstream.

[Wayneizgod]

I was gonna buy this last week but figured i'd wait it out until im done with some other stuff im using..after reading alot of reviews on it im prolly gonna get it in the next few days or so

[MHP-Stan]

Waxymaize is a great complex carbohydrate. MHP's Dark Matter has a high amount of Waxymaize in there as well. There is also 10g of sugar to boost insulin just enough to shuttle nutrients to the muscle. There is also 12g of protein that feels like your absorbing 40g of protein. Mixes better and tastes better than Vitargo imo.

[joecseko]

Um, yeah, not supposed to mix simple sugar with amylopectin (Waximaize is the trade name, so Dark Matter does not contain Waximaize, but contains amylopectin, the portion of the corn polysaccharide that Waximaize gets it's name from). Why would you use anything to "help shuttle nutrients" with something that's supposed to do that?!!!?

Unless the 12 grams of protein has a very low molecular weight, it's not going to be transported as well.


I use Waximaize with Designer Whey post workout only. DW is hydrolized, so it DOES have a very low molecular weight.

Yeah right, how do you "feel like" you're absorbing 40 g of protein? Maybe if you actually USED 40 g of protein, you'd get the results of 40g of protein.

Nice try, but I ain't one of the dudes that started this thread. My posts are actually based on science.

[hotchocolate4u]

Is Waxy Maize like superpump> Beacause superpump is hard on your heart and stomach. For a post drink, does it go well with high protein?

[Clarko]

Originally Posted by hotchocolate4u

Is Waxy Maize like superpump> Beacause superpump is hard on your heart and stomach. For a post drink, does it go well with high protein?

It's not like superpump at all. Waximaize is just a complex carb and that is it. It's great with a high protein post workout shake.

[joecseko]

Originally Posted by hotchocolate4u

Is Waxy Maize like superpump> Beacause superpump is hard on your heart and stomach. For a post drink, does it go well with high protein?

There's ONE A in because!

No, Waxymaize contains no stimulants, so it's nothing like Superpump. Waxymaize is amylopectin, a starch derived from corn.

Sure, it's great as a post workout carb, but what wasn't explained to you by the previous poster is, it should be used with proteins having a low molecular weight. Many whey proteins are low molecular weight proteins, especially hydrolyzed proteins like Designer Whey from Next.

I use it with DW, branched chain amino acids (especially leucine!) and creatine.

Superpump IS NOThard on your heart. At least no more than any caffeinated beverage is. It's also not hard on your stomach. It made some people crap a lot because of the high magnesium content, but Gaspari lightened up on that.

[hotchocolate4u]

Thanks for the info, the directions say its good for pre workout. Is that true?

[McFarr]

okay for starters:
I appreciate this post, because I love IDS Waximaize, still on my first tub and enjoying it PWO ( 2 scoops WMS, 1 1/2 scoop Whey)
I dont take it pre workout, that would be annoying considering the GreenMag and PW that i take pre.
Joe...honestly you know some stuff, ill give it to you. but unless you cant understand what someone is saying given the presence of a few mispelled words, stop bittching about it.

[joecseko]

Originally Posted by McFarr

okay for starters:
I appreciate this post, because I love IDS Waximaize, still on my first tub and enjoying it PWO ( 2 scoops WMS, 1 1/2 scoop Whey)
I dont take it pre workout, that would be annoying considering the GreenMag and PW that i take pre.
Joe...honestly you know some stuff, ill give it to you. but unless you cant understand what someone is saying given the presence of a few mispelled words, stop bittching about it.

And anyway, why would I provide some information, but leave some out?

But, that's not germain to the content of the thread, so I won't dwell on it.

I'll use it on occasion pre workout, and here's what I do. On power days, especially deadlift (back) days, I'll use it with my Designer Whey, creatine and one scoop of Muscle Milk.

Bodybuilding days: One scoop of Waxymaize, two DW, one aspirin, two Superpump< and two 175 mg PEAK ATP. The pumps are staggering!

Timing is of the utmost importance when supplementing any carb pre workout! Insulin interferes with growth hormone production, even throughout the day. Getting the Waxymaize in long before, say two hours, will help ensure plasma levels of insulin have stabilized.

I have more, but it's early, and I'll wait for some more posts.

[DocWildman]

Originally Posted by MHP-Stan

Waxymaize is a great complex carbohydrate. MHP's Dark Matter has a high amount of Waxymaize in there as well. There is also 10g of sugar to boost insulin just enough to shuttle nutrients to the muscle. There is also 12g of protein that feels like your absorbing 40g of protein. Mixes better and tastes better than Vitargo imo.

Vitargo S2 by GENR8 mixes much better than other versions. GENR8 is the only company in North America (for over a year) that can sell Vitargo. Thus any Vitargo product other than GENR8 is really old.

Great research on vitargo (www.vitargo.com). Great before and during dfor faster fuel and no bloating and after training for faster/higher insulin spikes. Interestingly Purdue University just presented research showing WMS to be slower than maltodextrin and the same as white bread in rasing blood glucose and less potent than both in spiking insulin. WMS as a raw ingredient seems to be a slow carb. Vitargo used to be produced from WMS and is now barley derived. The magicof Vitargo is the patented process that produces a high molecular weight, low osmolality carb that clears the stomach faster than other carbs and is rapidly digested and absorbed.

[masterj1109]

So I have been trying to read a lot into Waximaize today since I recently stopped into a new supplement store and asked him these questions. "I want to gain weight up to about 175-180 lbs, I'm 6'0 150-155 lbs and have a very high metabolism. I have been taking pro complex, but am almost out, what would you recommend?" He told me I should take 1 scope of IDS Waximaize and 1 scope of MET-Rx 100% Ultramyosyn Whey 3 times a day and it will help me gain between 3-6 lbs each week until I hit my ideal weight, but gave me no actual instruction on when to take, together or seperate shakes, or anything else. Can anyone give me a little feed back on if this would be a good plan of action or more detail into how to take this plan of action if it is a good idea. (I am only currently taking a multi vitiman, omega 3, and my Pro Complex protein, I am also aware that everyone has different opinions and there are many ways to go about my goal, but in general might this be an effective way to continue striving towards it?) Thanks