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    CryoShock is the ultimate athletic performance catalyst, engineered to the optimum specifications required for increasing the rate of muscular development in trained athletes. Driven by our powerful five-phase ergogenic system; CryoShock unites the most synergistic combination of ingredients known to science, fractionally processed by cryogenic means for enhanced effect. Once these highly evolved matrixes are engaged, the kinetic potential is truly unstoppable. From the very first dose, you'll experience a dramatic increase in muscular strength and endurance, breathtaking amounts of muscle fullness and volume, and mind-blowing levels of vascularity and hardness.

    Through the careful manipulation of systematically acute metabolic pathways, CryoShock can significantly increase levels of performance by raising the AT (Anaerobic Threshold), which limits your gains. CryoShock will have you lifting more with each workout, performing better with every set, while driving you harder than ever before on all your repetitions; developing your body at an unprecedented rate. The physiological effects that are going to transpire will truly shock you!

    The CryoShock five-phase ergogenic system contains:

    Phase 1 - Amplify Energy: The Velocity Energizing Matrix is a precise blend of adrenergic stimulating ingredients that will have your mind and body set into overdrive. By utilizing only the most scientifically advanced compounds, this matrix takes preworkout energy to a whole new level. Enhanced energy, focus, and endurance with a noticeable elevation in mood are just what this combination of ingredients is all about.

    Phase 2 - Accelerate Delivery: The Vasospan Vasodilating Matrix provides the right combination of molecules needed for increased signaling of NO (Nitric Oxide). This will improve the delivery of oxygen and nutrients while also enhancing the removal of metabolic waste products from the body. Expect better performance and recovery with greatly enhanced levels of vascularity and hardness from this potent combination.

    Phase 3 - Maximize Performance: The Pro-Endurance (alpha) Matrix is designed to prevent conditions within the body leading to fatigue, like excess blood lactate or ammonia levels. This will allow for longer, more intense workouts, without the fear of premature metabolic failure. This matrix also acts as an anabolic activator, stimulating muscle growth through reduced protein breakdown and increased protein synthesis.

    Phase 4 - Increase Volume: The Advanced Volumizing Matrix enhances the density of nutrients retained within the muscle by increasing intracellular Cr (Creatine) and PCr (Phosphorylcreatine) concentrations. This will increase strength and endurance levels, reduce recovery time, and induce better levels of body hydration; resulting in increased levels of performance that will help aid muscular growth.

    Phase 5 - Inhibit Oxidation: The Antioxidant Support Matrix combines several well-known and highly potent antioxidants to help prevent the oxidative damage that is encountered during intense exercise. They have also been shown to increase nutrient uptake, enhance muscle contraction strength, inhibit cortisol secretions, support energy production, and protect NO from oxidative destruction while also potentiating its effect within the body.

    Warnings: Not for use by individuals under the age of 18 years. Do not use if pregnant or nursing. Keep out of reach of children. If you have any medical condition or are taking prescription medications, consult with you physician before using this product. Do not exceed recommended serving. Discontinue use and call a physician or licensed qualified health care professional immediately if you experience rapid heartbeat, dizziness, blurred vision, or other similar symptoms.




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    Sounds great, nice write-up and great graphics/design.
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    Always interesting to see new products surface....looks mighty good....seeing the logs/results will be interesting
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    Very cool / clean looking... your graphics team = nice work
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    Is it me or do this and body forge both appear to be cell-volumizer type products?
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    Originally Posted by A Perfect Flaw View Post
    Is it me or do this and body forge both appear to be cell-volumizer type products?
    One of them fits that bill more with energy, while the other is for endurance and strength, more NO based. Together they cover all the points, size, strength, energy, endurance, overall health.
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    So where's the ingredient profile?
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    Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    So where's the ingredient profile?
    Won't be posted 'till a later date.
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    Originally Posted by DinoT1985 View Post
    Won't be posted 'till a later date.
    How can you guys have tester threads then without ingredients posted?

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    Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    How can you guys have tester threads then without ingredients posted?

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    All the ingredients for BodyForge are in the write up. The CryoShock has gone into detail about why the panel hasn't been released yet and testers have been told conformation will be asked after the panel is revealed. Testers wont be blind using the product.
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    Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    How can you guys have tester threads then without ingredients posted?

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    ..and they will be! Right now we are only accepting applications, this is clearly outlined in the initial post. Around the time testers are chosen, we will release the full ingredient detail for both products. If at that time they dont like what they see they are more then welcome to decline the products, and someone else will be choosen. Until that time, if someone dosnt want to apply because of this then they dont have to.
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    One of them fits that bill more with energy, while the other is for endurance and strength, more NO based. Together they cover all the points, size, strength, energy, endurance, overall health.
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    The molecule on the bottle is epinephrine. Where you intending to draw something else or is that just something that is stimulated?
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    Originally Posted by triathelete04 View Post
    The molecule on the bottle is epinephrine. Where you intending to draw something else or is that just something that is stimulated?
    More on tie in with the Velocity Energising Matrix, similar to Velocity XT so its write up will show the link.
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    The more I read through the 'Studies of Interest', the more impressed and intrigued I become.

    The inclusion of oxidative stress inhibition is often overlooked, and this is an excllent addition to this product.

    I would appear that Cryoshock has top-notch energy/focus (a la Velocity XT) properties in addition to the latest in ergogenic aids. Moreover, it appears you have also included all the delivery support needed to ensure maximal efficacy.

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    alright this and the bodyforge sound sick, but when will we be able to buy them?
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    Originally Posted by Mxfigoli72 View Post
    alright this and the bodyforge sound sick, but when will we be able to buy them?
    i was told mid march...
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    Originally Posted by DinoT1985 View Post
    The 20th.
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    studying really gets in the way of college

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    Link to the CryoShock panel
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    nice formula though i was expecting a little bit more
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    nice formula though i was expecting a little bit more
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    Nice....I might have to give this a shot.

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    Originally Posted by sdr@neogenix View Post
    Like what?
    Well, it has 10% less servings then other PWO products.

    It seems like it was meant to be stacked with BodyForge, but that ruins the idea of trying one of them solo.

    The energy matrix does not impress, unless there is a good dose of Geranamine (but then there is always paranoia of getting it into the scoop), and ofcourse we don't really know.

    Arginine matrix seems a little skipped. I know AEE costs like double then others but I think a higher # would be more appealing. This looks like White Blood for pre-workout.

    Citrulline amount looks good, though I am not sure how the ratio works out with Beta-Alanine. Creatine is a little down, but I guess that dose works for pre-workout. It seems like you need to take both products to feel the benefits of CM/BA, which is kind of dissapointing.
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    Originally Posted by steam View Post
    Well, it has 10% less servings then other PWO products.

    It seems like it was meant to be stacked with BodyForge, but that ruins the idea of trying one of them solo.

    The energy matrix does not impress, unless there is a good dose of Geranamine (but then there is always paranoia of getting it into the scoop), and ofcourse we don't really know.

    Arginine matrix seems a little skipped. I know AEE costs like double then others but I think a higher # would be more appealing. This looks like White Blood for pre-workout.

    Citrulline amount looks good, though I am not sure how the ratio works out with Beta-Alanine. Creatine is a little down, but I guess that dose works for pre-workout. It seems like you need to take both products to feel the benefits of CM/BA, which is kind of dissapointing.

    Honestly i think that both products together would work the best.. but if you want to only use one or the other the only ingredients that you really would need more of if only using one is Beta alanine or Citrulline Malate which u can buy in bulk for nothing...

    and i think Cryoshock looks great! i dont think its lacking in anything... i was given the great opportunity to test it for a few days and i will post my results but i expect nothing less than amazing.. because Velocity XT was great stuff
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    Originally Posted by steam View Post
    Well, it has 10% less servings then other PWO products.

    It seems like it was meant to be stacked with BodyForge, but that ruins the idea of trying one of them solo.

    The energy matrix does not impress, unless there is a good dose of Geranamine (but then there is always paranoia of getting it into the scoop), and ofcourse we don't really know.

    Arginine matrix seems a little skipped. I know AEE costs like double then others but I think a higher # would be more appealing. This looks like White Blood for pre-workout.

    Citrulline amount looks good, though I am not sure how the ratio works out with Beta-Alanine. Creatine is a little down, but I guess that dose works for pre-workout. It seems like you need to take both products to feel the benefits of CM/BA, which is kind of dissapointing.
    If you're after CM/BA then BodyForge is the option. We didnt want two products being too similar. CryoShock handles the energy and volumisation. 1g of Arginine Ethyl Ester, Ornithine AKG and L-Norvaline on its own is underdosed. But here it accompanies Citrulline Malate and Glycine which are main ingredients in their respective blends so you'll get a great pump. As for the Energy Matrix not impressing, gotta say you must have high standards as it aint a pure stimulant product. As for 10% less servings, 36 servings at a proce bb.com will have is great in my opinion.
    Dino T. BA (Hons)

    How much protein do you need daily? You need 0.82g/lb (1.8g/kg).

    - NOTICE: Not all posts represent my own opinion. I enjoy playing devil's advocate.
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