what to take?

**wanksta14** · 02-27-2006, 08:16 PM

hey im almost 22, and i weigh about 220, used to be 230 and trying to get back their with all lean mass...what should i take, was thinking on whey protein and xceed and some animal stack vitamins, how does this sound or what would be better tryin to gain 10-15 of lean mass...

**uhockey** · 02-28-2006, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by wanksta14

hey im almost 22, and i weigh about 220, used to be 230 and trying to get back their with all lean mass...what should i take, was thinking on whey protein and xceed and some animal stack vitamins, how does this sound or what would be better tryin to gain 10-15 of lean mass...

Xceed is gread, I'll post some literature about it below.
Animal pack is kinda pricey, IMO any vitamin is fine as long as your diet is also in check. NOW Adam and AST 32x are both great if you want a "namebrand vitamin." I use Walgreens.

Not sure if you're interested in test boosters, but as you're 22 I can say that ActivaTe and ReboundXT is also an excellent lean mass generator and I saw a great deal of success with Thermolife's ECDYsten.

Here is some info on Xceed:

As the following links will indicate, Xceed is a great priced, well reviewed, and excellent addition to your supplement arsenal. Xceed doesn�t hide behind a proprietary matrix and offers ample dosing of each ingredient to give you the best bang for your buck outside of buying it bulk and mixing yourself. Additionally you get an excellent flavoring system soon to be released in Black Cherry and quality customer service from DS. Obviously this post does not answer every question, so please feel free to direct additional questions to us via PM, E-mail, or even AIM.

To Buy Xceed
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/xceed.html

Xceed Writeup
http://www.designersupps.com/product_writeups/xceed.pdf

Logs
http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...ighlight=xceed
http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...ighlight=xceed
http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...ighlight=xceed
http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...ighlight=xceed
http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...ighlight=xceed
http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...ighlight=xceed

Price Breakdown from DWM230000�s Fantastic Thread
http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...4&postcount=67

Xceed FAQ
http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...ight=xceed+FAQ

And here is a post by someone else regarding the ActivaTe + Rebound XT combo:

Originally Posted by 40-Yard Dash_2

**young_squatter** · 02-28-2006, 04:06 AM

Get the basics down first which are Creatine, Fish Oil, Whey Protein, Multivitamin. After you get these down I recommend BCAA'S, they work great at packing on muscle and helping you recover from your workouts. I currently take Scivation Xtend and my results have been awesome, Since taking BCAA'S my recovery and muscle gains have gone through the roof. Here is a whole bunch of info on xtend.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=672898

You could go with Bulk BCAA powder, but the taste is dreadful so I would not recommend it. I recommend Scivation Xtend watermellon over grape but grape is still very good.

If you need anything else feel free to pm me.

**RB12** · 02-28-2006, 05:17 AM

lbm comes from cals, not supps

Originally Posted by pu12en12g

A few ideas that MIGHT help:

Nutrition / Diet / Macros:

- Total daily calorie intake. This is what will make / break you

- It is NOT efficient to try and lose fat AND gain muscle at the same time

- BMR and nutrition calculator

- Total Daily Protein Intake (for best results I recommend AROUND 2g per lb of bodyweight)

- Foods (Good vs. Bad)

- Unified Theory of Nutrition - by Will Brink

Bulking:

When bulking (a calorie surplus to gain lean muscle mass at a optimal rate), I aim for:

- 1lb lean beef per day
- 1 Gallon Skim Milk per day
- Around 2000 cals per day from oats
- Lots of protein shakes (up to 8 per day)
- Chicken
- Turkey
- Beef / Sloppy Joes (manwich)
- Hamburger Helper
- Pasta
- Tuna
- Potatoes
- Rice
- Veggies (Fresh if possible)

(Note: If you can afford it you can do things like steaks etc.. etc..)

- If there was ONE SINGLE KEY to the gains I made in the 1 1/2 years when I went from 175-225 (my best.. leanest gains), it is OATS / STEEL CUT OATS ! The emphasis here is that oats are a INEXPENSIVE, HEALTHY, yet VERY CALORIE DENSE FOOD. I saw lean gains like I had never seen before. But NO THEY DON'T TASTE GOOD. YOU HAVE TO FORCE FEED THEM. This gets old fast. I added about 1 cup of oats to each protein shake.

- Hungry Hungry Hormones

- Massive Eating

- Stretch Mark Mass

What are some good indications that I'm gaining muscle... ?

Mirror / Appearance
Measurements
Strength
Bodyweight

Cutting:

When cutting (a calorie deficit to lose fat at a optimal rate):

- I eat many of the same foods above, but with a lower TOTAL DAILY CALORIE INTAKE

- I put a emphasis on PRE- and POST-workout nutrition, and the end result is that most of my calories are eaten before my afternoon workout. I have found this to be ideal (for me).

Fullness Factor Chart 1
Fullness Factor Chart 2

What it my basal metabolic rate ?

Your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the energy used (measured in calories) by your body to perform basic functions, including internal energy expenditure, breathing, and body temperature. It is the number of calories your body would expend if you performed no physical activity throughout the day.

Simply put... your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the rate at which your body burns calories while you rest. This is very important because we only have so much time for cardio each day.

BMR Calculator:
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/

Where can I learn more about the "Fatloss Basics ?"

Fatloss Basics Part 1
Fatloss Basics Part 2
Fatloss Basics Part 3
Fatloss Basics Part 4

What are some good indications that I'm losing fat... ?

Mirror / Appearance
Measurements
Bodyfat caliper
Bodyweight

Supplements:

- Supplements / Companies to avoid

- SAVE $$$$$ ! ! STICK WITH THE BASICS ! ! )

Multivitamin
(Click here for a Multivitamin Comparison Chart)
10 lb bags of Optimum Whey Protein (This includes a great BCAA profile AND glutamine) (Note: I recommend Choc / Choc Mint only)
Creapure Creatine or Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL or Magnesium Creatine Chelate
Cold Pressed Flaxseed oil (and / or fishoil

- Stay on creatine, there is no need to cycle it ! (cycling and loading are totally optional)

- Creatine timing (when / how to take it):

Science behind creatine timing
In depth look at creatine

- For best results, aim for AROUND 2g of total daily protein intake per lb of bodyweight EVERY SINGLE DAY ! !

Example:

Bodyweight: 200lbs
Total daily protein intake: 400g

Here is why:

Protein Prejudice
Protein intake studies
BCAA's / Leucine

Workout / Routine:

- I recommend a MAX-OT, 5x5, HST (or similar) routine with a EMPHASIS ON:

- Squatting / Leg pressing
- Deadlifts
- Barbell benchpress (Including flat / decline / incline)

- Both BB's and DB's for best results

- Concentrate more on measurements and less on bodyweight

- Weigh yourself once a week. Should gain (or lose) around 1lb per week (depending on goals).

- Concentrate on form first, in order to stay injury free

- Emphasize both range of motion, and mind-muscle connection

- With intensity, strength gains, and a proper bodybuilding diet, the size gains (or fatloss) will come

- Make sure and have a spotter when working out your major muscle groups, preferrably someone bigger than you

- Don't be scared of overtraining. Simply listen (pay attention) to your body, and ask more questions later if you think you are overtraining.

Cardio:

- If possible, do cardio at least 8 hours from when you lift weights

- If possible, do cardio in the AM after sleeping.

- No need to do cardio on a empty stomach, but many prefer to due to nausea

- Jumping rope is a very efficient form of cardio

- Sprinting is a very efficient form of cardio

- HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) is a efficient form of cardio

Recovery (A.K.A GROWTH !):

- With proper intensity MUST COME PROPER RECOVERY !

- Make sure and get enough protein right before you go to sleep.

- Make sure and get enough protein/carbs right when you wake up

- Make sure and get enough deep, quality sleep (Not getting enough quality sleep is the #1 newbie mistake. You should aim for at least 8 QUALITY hours of sleep per night):

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...sleep_1_pr.htm
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...sleep_2_pr.htm

- Make sure and get enough protein / calories on off days (This is when your body will be recovering) It is important to be consistent !

- Make sure and get proper pre and post-workout nutrition:

Carbs pre and post workout.
Protein pre and post workout.
Creatine pre and post workout:
Pre, During, & Postworkout Nutrition (Click here)

Cell volumization:

Make sure and drink enough water both throughout the day and during your workout (this is CRITICAL ! !) I drink about 1 liter per hour, and at least 3 liters during my workout. (Keep in mind I am currently over 240lbs so you may not need this much).

H2O / Cell Volumization... the ultimate supplement
Stretch Mark Mass !
The role of cellular hydration in the regulation of cell function
In depth look at creatine
Glycerine / Glycerol

Other Resources:

MCWTRAINER's SUPPLEMENT THREADS
ESSENTIAL Supplements - By Ironpimper
Mind and Muscle - Strengthen your connection
The BB.COM Bible - By BIGNBUFF
Rules, Information, and "Best Of" Threads Index

Good luck !
If you have read this post and ALL the links provided and you still have a question or concern.. please E-Mail me and I'll get back to you as soon as possible:

pt@controlledlabs.com

Disclaimer: The above post is IN MY OPINION, or IN MY EXPERIENCE, unless otherwise noted.

**bodyartist** · 02-28-2006, 05:34 AM

take roids!

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