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    Do football players not deadlift alot?

    It doesn't seem like a lot of football players do deadlifts. Is there a reason for this?
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    Usually high schools dont do them, mainly because they'd rather spend time with easier lifts to learn than spend time teaching correct form. Which is pretty stupid because most of the time they teach bad form anyways. Like squating all the way down to the floor.

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    YOU should do them...theyre one of the best overall exercises on the planet.
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    SLDL's are used alot in football programs, but regular deads I don't see too much. Another is Romanian Deads(Some terminology will confllict from program to program as someone stated in another thread weeks ago. Straight leg is zero bend at knee while shifting hips back; a RDL is just like normal RDL in our program, knees slightly bent.)

    We do them, but I don't know why we don't do regular deadlifts, it has never been asked or talked about. I will ask our trainer today.
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    we dont

    our strength coach says it an unnecessary load on the back and it's not considered a football lift because it's not as powerful as clean or w.e
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    we dont dead lifts because we work out during 2nd block
    so we only have about 90mins to work out, not even

    so our coach has us do like Dead Scoop Shrugs, ect


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    Originally Posted by SteppDiesel View Post
    our strength coach says it an unnecessary load on the back and it's not considered a football lift because it's not as powerful as clean or w.e
    Your strength coach makes me laugh, but it is his system and you should follow it. I don't understand his logic on a powerful lift, they don't come any more powerful than a deadlift. He might mean explosive, that debate could go on and on between strength coaches.
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    Originally Posted by Davidv602 View Post
    Which is pretty stupid because most of the time they teach bad form anyways. Like squating all the way down to the floor.
    ???

    Since when is squatting all the way down bad form?
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    Oops, didnt mean it was bad form, i just remember always being told its horrible for your knees down the road.

    Edit: Heres an article i found, it talks about the cartilage(sp?) and stuff. Read Up, and btw im no S&C coach of any sort so dont take any advice from me directly, hopefully fullback or someone with experience can answer this question.

    http://www.gainingweight.info/can-sq...or-your-knees/

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    ^^^I disagree with the above article.

    Your knee cartilage is going to take a beating regardless of where you stop on your squats. That's a non-factor. It's the ligaments that one should really be worried about.

    Your knee is at its strongest point at full flexion or full extension. It is at its WEAKEST point at a 90 degree angle. Why do you think athletic trainers do the drawer test with your knee at a 90 degree angle? Simple. There is very little support on the knee joint other than the ligaments.

    Whereas, when you're at full flexion (ass-to-grass), not only is your knee in a stronger position to explode up, your hips, hammies, and glutes take a great majority more of the load, which means at ass-to-grass your knee is in a stronger position, and it has much less stress on it to begin with because of more muscles evenly spreading the load.

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    Thanks for clarifying, ive always stopped at 90, it was hard at first but after doing wall sits for a while i built up enough strength in my knees. Its just something ive always been told by BB at the gym where i go to stop around 90.

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    Originally Posted by Davidv602 View Post
    Thanks for clarifying, ive always stopped at 90, it was hard at first but after doing wall sits for a while i built up enough strength in my knees. Its just something ive always been told by BB at the gym where i go to stop around 90.

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    No problem man. I've been arguing this **** with people for years, so I'm used to it. At least most of my football team does it

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    Originally Posted by SteppDiesel View Post
    our strength coach says it an unnecessary load on the back and it's not considered a football lift because it's not as powerful as clean or w.e
    i somewhat agree.. conventional deads are harder on the back. But if a hex bar is used, its much better and would implement in a program
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    Originally Posted by acbrits08 View Post
    No problem man. I've been arguing this **** with people for years, so I'm used to it. At least most of my football team does it

    To each their own bud. Just be careful with it.
    Yeah ill probably switch now that i know its just a myth. Where do you play football at?

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    Originally Posted by Davidv602 View Post
    Oops, didnt mean it was bad form, i just remember always being told its horrible for your knees down the road.

    Edit: Heres an article i found, it talks about the cartilage(sp?) and stuff. Read Up, and btw im no S&C coach of any sort so dont take any advice from me directly, hopefully fullback or someone with experience can answer this question.

    http://www.gainingweight.info/can-sq...or-your-knees/

    Good Luck, Have Fun, God Bless.

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    I've found that the problem is usually not going low enough. most of the guys at my school weight room do little butt dips or quarter squats. When they saw me get my hip sockets bellow my knees they looked very confused. I'll try to tell them these things but they don't care and keep stacking 3-4 plates on each side and doing little butt dips.

    As for deadlifts, just about all of our football players in our weight room do them, they use a hex bar though. most of them have never lifted outside of school though and have never seen it done with a straight bar.
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    we always did deads at my school for football. we mostly did the big 3 lifts then auxilary **** and alot of cleans
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    Originally Posted by Davidv602 View Post
    Yeah ill probably switch now that i know its just a myth. Where do you play football at?

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    My coach that I'm workin out with to get ready to play in college next year has us doing them on some lower body days but my team has always done them-straight bar only. I like em
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    Originally Posted by acbrits08 View Post
    Albion College. You still play?

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    Look at a running backs stance then look at the start of a deadlift...same thing.

    You have to recruit ALL your muscles to get the weight up just like you have to recruit all your muscles when the ball is snapped.
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    Originally Posted by vanvan22 View Post
    Look at a running backs stance then look at the start of a deadlift...same thing.

    You have to recruit ALL your muscles to get the weight up just like you have to recruit all your muscles when the ball is snapped.
    Ya, this is how I start off in my football stance

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    lots of people on here do deadlift and everyone on my team deadlifts. i deadlift as much as i squat
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    Originally Posted by Fullback7 View Post
    Ya, this is how I start off in my football stance

    haha, so that's your secret weapon fullback! jk. for those of you who don't know much about powerlifting... it's called a sumo style deadlift.
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    Originally Posted by huskerfreak View Post
    haha, so that's your secret weapon fullback! jk. for those of you who don't know much about powerlifting... it's called a sumo style deadlift.
    it seems less stressfull on the back... does it work?
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    Originally Posted by lsfii2 View Post
    it seems less stressfull on the back... does it work?
    I wouldn't have it replace conventional deadlifts in my personal opinion. unless you are a powerlifter.

    sumo lifters are born though, not made
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    Originally Posted by janssen_8_5 View Post
    Your strength coach makes me laugh, but it is his system and you should follow it. I don't understand his logic on a powerful lift, they don't come any more powerful than a deadlift. He might mean explosive, that debate could go on and on between strength coaches.
    thats the most retarded thing ive heard. janssen is completely right, deadlifts are one of the best overall lifts. when you tackle, there is a huge amount of stress on your back. when you get hit or pushing through a hole (if you're playing RB) then there is a huge amount of stress on you back. Deadlifts prepare you and your muscles will get STRONGER to adapt to more weight, it won't stunt your growth or anything.
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    Love the deads, although you need to give the lower back adequate time to heal before doing them again. It's tough for me to do both (squat/dead) on the same day too due to energy expanded in the process. And to split them up is okay at 3-4 days between them. Just watch the lower back as articulation issues that cause muscle spasms are not fun. I speak from experience. Good luck
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    What do you guys think is better to go for an athlete? Regular Deadlift, Roman Deadlift, or SLDL? I think they all work mostly the back, but a SLDL a little in the hammies, your thoughts?
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    Mostly the back? Every time i do them i always feel them in my legs. Is something wrong with my form?

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