The cockiness comes from having to educate people that think they have a clue on something they're absolutely ignorant about. You, like JAGERBOY, are clueless on the issue. You tried to start off by sounding like you could advocate some great things that sex accomplishes, until anyone with the slightest clue in biology goes, "Hey, wait! Those benefits already occur with almost any amount of physical activity."Originally Posted by theredshirt
Next time you're going to argue for something make sure you're making an informed decision. At least your points were better than JAGERBOY's, but that's not saying much.
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02-21-2006, 08:59 PM #62
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i googled, because i always here about health benefits from sex, but just throw them in the same jar as sex is good for me. here is a good read http://www.gethealthtips.com/articles.php?id=237
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02-21-2006, 09:04 PM #66Originally Posted by SYRIANKID
I guess it all comes down to subjectivity.
As far as I'm concerned, the reality you're convinced of is nothing more than fantasy. And contrastingly, it's vice versa from your position.
The only question I think I should be asking you right now is why must you always force me to argue with a brick wall lol.
Your conviction is I guess in a sense impressive, but given my own set of beliefs I find it appalling simply because it seeks to suppress any positions to the contrary. It's the reason I have a distaste for religion.
If the question I should be asking you is "how do I sign up for Islam" I'm sorry to let you down but it's not on my agenda anytime soon.
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02-21-2006, 09:07 PM #67
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Originally Posted by theredshirt
By the way, still not one benefit that isn't included from exercise (and the 7,500 calorie number is way overblown, and in fact, not factual. They aren't burning 2,500 calories per session).
Oxytocin (female hormone usually associated with pregnancy) doesn't even have health benefits, and it is primary during either pregnancy, menstruation, or sex. It is there to serve a purpose (gee, I wonder what purpose it serves), and no its purpose don't effect their health.NSCA-CPT.
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02-21-2006, 09:08 PM #68Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen
In the end, all that marriage really is is some sort of governmental institution which entitles you to slightly different tax rules, it isn't anything tangible whatsoever.
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02-21-2006, 09:10 PM #69
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Originally Posted by Dennis_TheMenace_Bonvie
Prior to marriage, exactly how many men would impregnate the same woman in her lifetime?
One. The alpha male. When civilization began to develop it was still just one.
The problems prevalent nowadays are much, much worse.NSCA-CPT.
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02-21-2006, 09:11 PM #70
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Originally Posted by vincenthk
A risk may not effect one person, personally. However, that risk does get around, and it does get the, "You sunk my battleship". When the risk spreads, it proliferates, and becomes more likely. All people do is contribute to making the risk greater nowadays.NSCA-CPT.
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02-21-2006, 09:12 PM #71
Its a lifestyle choice.
Christianity loves to drill in the "sex is evil" game and it works...on suckers who choose not to read to find out the reasons why. The whole thing started up because of the ignorance that societies 2000 years ago had. Nobody knew how or why the world works. People believed in taking two rocks and turning it to gold. People used to believe that witches were the demise of society. People used to believe the universe rotated around Earth. Catholics strongly believed that women could have babies without sex.
So you'll have to understand why the whole "sex before marriage is the devil" thing doesn't mean **** to me.
I don't think less of someone for deciding to wait but I don't think more of them either. Its like deciding to stay cut or deciding to go on a bulk cycle. Its a decision that should be totally up to you. Not the church, not your parents, not the mores of society, not anyone except for yourself.- 10K A Day Crew
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02-21-2006, 09:13 PM #72Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen
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Originally Posted by JAGERBOY
Just playing devil's advocates, but unlike any of the benefits of sex, the negatives are kind of permanent. Say you get a chick pregnant, guess what, you're paying child support for the next 18 years, or you pull a Michael Vick and catch something like herpes, thats a lifelong error. There's benefits and negatives, I think the negatives really outweigh the positives by far though, thats why our society has such an issue with "food stamp babies" being born to 16, 17 year olds who haven't even gotten out of high school yet.
It all depends on your level of maturity and responsibility, like anything else in life and I just don't think there's a lot of younger people who can handle that responsibility, witness the growing epidemic of STD's among those under 18.
My thoughts on marriage is that it is far easier to be responsible when both people are on the same page, have the same goals and such, even in today's era of rapid-fire divorces, there's still semblance of structure to marriage that you don't have otherwise.
I don't think its reasonable in this era to expect everyone to wait until marriage to have sex, I mean, back in the old days, people were getting married at 15, 16, 17............now the age of marriage is around 27, 28, 29..............so of course people will end up having sex, I just think its a bad idea at really young ages. It still startles me to hear about 12, 13, 14 year olds having sex, and then ending up pregnant, thats not exactly a good way to get ahead in life.Last edited by ElMariachi; 02-21-2006 at 09:20 PM.
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02-21-2006, 09:18 PM #76Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen
If in the end it's because you're a Christian and sex before marriage makes you uncomfortable and goes against your beliefs then say it. But don't go around spouting this nonsense about how anybody who has sex before they get a marriage certificate from the municipal office is putting the world at risk.
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Originally Posted by vincenthk
If this girlfriend of yours is your first, will be your last, and that's it, you might be okay. If not, then you're just going to fit the bill with "have a sex with a different person every few weeks". The more partners you have the higher the risk.
If in the end it's because you're a Christian and sex before marriage makes you uncomfortable and goes against your beliefs then say it. But don't go around spouting this nonsense about how anybody who has sex before they get a marriage certificate from the municipal office is putting the world at risk.
If you have multiple partners through your life, you've put the world at risk.NSCA-CPT.
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Originally Posted by vincenthk
He's not a Christian, stop spouting your stupid anti- religious BS. He never mentioned anything about religion, yet you chose to attack him for his honest opinions.
Why is it secular people always blame religion for something or another, get over yourself geez.Russell Wilson, the first QB in NFL history to throw a game-winning interception.
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ok khan if we are strictly secular, what is negative about having sex pre marital if it feels really good has health benifits which may or may not be reached during normal excercise. i mean what if one acts like i do, in a loving monogamous relationship, use protection, shes on the pill, i sometimes accompany that with a condom, what is so wrong with it? it feels good, health benifits, i sware im less cranky when ive been boning. And if i get it a lot that week i dont need it for a few days. it does something to my hormone levels. so strictly secular, what is wrong with that
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Originally Posted by theredshirt
Problem is, you are the exception to the rule in that case. We wouldn't have problems if most people WEREN'T irresponsible, there wouldn't be all these STD's going around and young girls with babies they aren't ready to handle if people showed some responsibility for their actions, the problem with this era is everyone dodges responsibility, all the way up to the President of the USA. Everyone is raised to make excuses and then other people have to end up covering for those mistakes.Russell Wilson, the first QB in NFL history to throw a game-winning interception.
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Originally Posted by Dennis_TheMenace_Bonvie
Those numerous other societies, care to guess what their downfall was predicated on? Breakdown of the family unit, and I bet you already know where that starts.
My point is that a structure existed even then to insure that breeding was done in a succint, productive fashion. Nowadays a structure is pretty much absent. Marriage is as old as history itself, so it really isn't that new (although in terms of overall age, I agree, not that new).
People weren't just randomly breeding even in pre-history like you seem to be insinuating. With the advent of marriage you could actually say breeding became MORE random, as backward as that almost sounds.NSCA-CPT.
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02-21-2006, 09:29 PM #84
try before you tie the knot. seems sensible in todays modern society. just watch out for nasty stds and use protection.
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Originally Posted by theredshirt
If you're the only partners you guys have ever had it is great (good for you), if not then you're just an example of another person that part of the problem. Do you plan on staying faithful to her for the rest of your life, period? How about she with you? If you guys think your relationship is temporary, and that you guys will eventually move on to sleep with other people the risk just grows, and grows, and grows ad infintum. This generation, and previous ones are STILL paying for the '60s sexual revolution. I wish you the best of luck on your relationship being permanent, by the way.
What people fail to realize is the actions taken now also effect the people generations from now. The risks only continue to grow until it is out of hand, and then you have an emergency. I believe STDs have already been declared an epidemic due to their spread as it is.Last edited by KhanPaulsen; 02-21-2006 at 09:33 PM.
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02-21-2006, 09:33 PM #86Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen
Religion or whatever aside, your argument just doesn't make sense. Every single day even you do a thousand different things that aren't necessary for survival but create risks.
In the end I think people like you are creating even more risks because you're the ones that campaign to forbit providing condoms in high schools and stuff like that because you actually think that people are going to buy into your abstinence arguments.
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02-21-2006, 10:06 PM #88Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen
If you looked at it statistically, though I doubt stats like that exist, There are many activities that everybody takes part in that are arguable "unnecessary for survival" which carry with them much greater risks than having sex with more than one single person during your lifetime.
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02-21-2006, 10:53 PM #89Originally Posted by Dennis_TheMenace_BonvieA noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.
"Out of damp and gloomy days, out of solitude, out of loveless words directed at us, conclusions grow up in us like fungus: one morning they are there, we know not how, and they gaze upon us, morose and gray. Woe to the thinker who is not the gardener but only the soil of the plants that grow in him."
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Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen
p.s. i have every damn right to wiesel in my "may or may not" because all i did was type "health benifits of sex" in google and science journal after science journel popped up. unless there is one huge conspiracy against the abrahamic religions by the liberals so everyone can have sex, we have no problem here. And alot of what i read speaks of hormones being released that generally dont get released in other situations. and yes doing something because it feels good can be a good reason to do something. im sorry we are going from a secular point of view with no dogma attached. if proper education is attached, people can bone be happy feel happy and having not a care in the world. that is why i am able to sit here today, not itch down there, and be pleased with my over 15 lifetime companions (thankyou UC Santa Barbara).Last edited by theredshirt; 02-22-2006 at 04:05 AM.
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