I'm confused about how to build muscle and cut fat.
It seems that, to build muscle, you should avoid too much cardio, which implies to me that you'll gain more fat?
To burn fat, it seems to me that you need to do heavy cardio, but I understand that this can result in losing muscle you gained?
I'm 215, wanting to be about 230 (15 more pounds of muscle). Got a reply last week that I should build the muscle first, then come back and do some extreme cardio to get cut. It seems like in the process, I could lose the muscle I'd gain.
How should I look at this?
11-04-2002, 11:01 AM #1
Build Muscle then Cut Fat- somehow contradiction/how to do it?TTM
11-04-2002, 11:43 AM #2
Contrary to the masses, I believe it IS possible to gain muscle mass and lose fat at the same time. I went from 6'3" at about 205 and 22% body fat to 192 and 8.4% body fat. That is a rather large drop in body fat, and a large gain of LBM and I did it with a strict diet, short intense cardio sessions, and supplementing with protein and Glutamine.
These will help you. The point where it is not very possible to lose fat and gain muscle are at the low low ranges of the body fat range. You are not able to intake enough calories to gain muscle, or you have to take in enough that your body starts storing fat. For most people this is not the situation that they are in, and it is quite possible to do both at the same time. Try it.A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.
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11-04-2002, 11:58 AM #3
Your confusion lies in inexperience.
Let me break it down for you:
To gain muscle, you *will* gain fat.
To lose fat, you *will* lose muscle.
People who tell you they lose fat and gain muscle at the same time are either idiots, super-genetically gifted, or on steroids.
Your goal, every bodybuilders goal is to MINIMIZE fat while maximizing muscle. This is done by perfecting your nutritional and training practices during the different "cycles" as they are called. You must do *one* thing at a time (either gain muscle or lose fat). Your first "cutting" phase will probably result in more muscle loss than your next one, and so on, as you begin to learn more about how your body responds to different training and nutritional practices. But you *must* focus on one goal at a time, and with practice, patience and experience, you will learn about your body, and likely succeed."If your life doesn't pass before you when you squat, you aren't doing it right." -Tom Platz
11-04-2002, 12:52 PM #4
11-04-2002, 12:59 PM #5
This was taken from the teen board a while ago and i found it interesting maybe it might help:
Losing Fat and Gaining Muscle at the same Time
One dilemma facing athletes is whether to eat anything before cardio, and if so, what. A recent study sheds some light on this and suggests the best option. (1).
The rationale for cardio on an empty stomach is obviously to increase fat burning. When carbs are taken in before exercise the carbs are preferentially used for fuel, sparing fat. On the other hand exercising on an empty stomach elevates cortisol levels which break down not only fats but muscle for fuel.
The other option is ingesting protein before exercise. This may spare muscle, but does it inhibit fat burning? Surprisingly, according to the study, it depends on the type of protein.
Rats were exercised under 4 different conditions. (1) Fasting. (2) Glucose meal before exercise. (3) whole milk protein before exercise (4) lactalbumin enriched whey before exercise.
At the end of the study, the glucose and milk protein fed rats gained fat mass, showing that these diets blunted the fat burning from exercise. The fasted rats lost both muscle and fat, whereas the whey fed rats lost just as much fat as the fasted rats, but gained muscle.
The moral is to burn fat and actually build muscle while doing cardio, ingest whey protein beforehand.
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 2002 Sep;283(3):E565-72
A preexercise alpha-lactalbumin-enriched whey protein meal preserves lipid oxidation and decreases adiposity in rats.
Bouthegourd JC, Roseau SM, Makarios-Lahham L, Leruyet PM, Tome DG, Even PC.
Unite Mixte de recherche de Physiologie de la Nutrition et du comportement alimentaire, Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique, Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon, F75231 Paris, France.
The composition of the preexercise food intake is known to affect substrate utilization during exercise and thus can affect long-term changes in body weight and composition. These parameters were measured in male rats exercised 2 h daily over 5 wk, either in the fasting state or 1 h after they ingested a meal enriched with glucose (Glc), whole milk protein (WMP), or alpha-lactalbumin-enriched whey protein (CPalphaL). Compared with fasting, the Glc meal increased glucose oxidation and decreased lipid oxidation during and after exercise. In contrast, the WMP and CPalphaL meals preserved lipid oxidation and increased protein oxidation, the CPalphaL meal increasing protein oxidation more than the WMP meal. At the end of the study, body weight was larger in the WMP-, Glc-, and CPalphaL-fed rats than in the fasted ones. This resulted from an increased fat mass in the WMP and Glc rats and to an increased lean body mass, particularly muscles, in the CPalphaL rats. We conclude that the potential of the CPalphaL meal to preserve lipid oxidation and to rapidly deliver amino acids for use during exercise improved the efficiency of exercise training to decrease adiposity.
11-04-2002, 04:55 PM #6
I read a good article on bodybuilding.com, forgot the author... he believed in the idea of 6 months of the year are for bulking, the other 6 for cutting.
Basically think of a continuous cycle of putting on weight and muscle, then losing weight and cutting up... they are seperate, no cardio when your trying to put on weight. When you start cutting, you'll lose some muscle, but a majority fat... just a cycle of bulking, then cutting, bulking, then cutting...
so if you look at this cycle over time, your putting on muscle while maintaining a low BF %, it all balances out
i'm sorta new, hope I explained that right
11-05-2002, 11:59 AM #7Originally posted by The Tall Man
Got it- one more; when I start to lose fat, will I lose it first, after, or at the same rate as I lose the muscle?"If your life doesn't pass before you when you squat, you aren't doing it right." -Tom Platz
11-05-2002, 12:02 PM #8
That article may sound interesting and all, but it is fundementally flawed. You cannot have negative calories (fat loss), and positive calories (muscle gain) at the same time. It's just basic nutritional science."If your life doesn't pass before you when you squat, you aren't doing it right." -Tom Platz
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