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  1. 02-12-2006, 09:08 PM #1
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    ? about shoulder excercise...

    I've been doing db shoulder presses for sometime. Been lifting not quite 2 years. I seem to have hit a plateu, as whenever I try to go w/80lb db's I hurt myself or wear down quick. 75's I can get my 3x8 in, but 80's just kick my ass. I don't want to risk ANOTHER injury on this excercise (long story) but am transferring over to smith machine mil. press since I lift alone and don't have a spotter to help me get the 80's up. I think I can press them, but just can't get from resting up to the parallel w/floor that I need to start the excercise. Anyway, I know w/smith machine I'm going to lose stabalizer muscles, but I'm wondering other than stabalizing, is it going to hurt my look? If I do smith machine (I started today at 165lbs) and say get up to 200lbs, and then try to go back lifting the 80's, will it be a breeze, or is it still going to kick my ass because of the motion, and the stabalizers and such? Thanks for reading.
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  2. 02-12-2006, 10:15 PM #2
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    stick w/ dbs. the weight isn't hurting you, it's probably poor form (judging by your inability to get even 80s up w/o any help).
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    Originally Posted by $AJ
    stick w/ dbs. the weight isn't hurting you, it's probably poor form (judging by your inability to get even 80s up w/o any help).
    My form is simply a 90 degree range of motion, from parallel w/the floor, to the top, and back to the same starting point. The part I can't get is from my knees up to parallel w/the floor. Too much straining and is tearing my shoulder up just from that motion.
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    Originally Posted by E-Burna 2000
    My form is simply a 90 degree range of motion, from parallel w/the floor, to the top, and back to the same starting point. The part I can't get is from my knees up to parallel w/the floor. Too much straining and is tearing my shoulder up just from that motion.
    grab dbs, walk over to bench, place dbs on thighs. kick thighs to propell dbs into air and get them into position. If you arn't able to do that then chances are on the weight your'e cutting the ROM down and don't even realize it (as most end up doing)
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    Originally Posted by $AJ
    grab dbs, walk over to bench, place dbs on thighs. kick thighs to propell dbs into air and get them into position. If you arn't able to do that then chances are on the weight your'e cutting the ROM down and don't even realize it (as most end up doing)
    I just can't get it. Today I tried it w/80's (the last time I was at 80's, I ****ed up my shoulder, that was in March, and I had to take 3 months off from lifting) and I kind of got it up, but then was struggling to get it started. Even if I got the 1st set, I woulda been DEAD on the 2nd set, so I just went and did legs, came back to shoulders later, and did the military press w/the smith machine for the 1st time. Back to the original question though, is this going to mess me up or help me w/the smith machine? Should i just stay at 75lbs on db's, and be happy w/out gaining?
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    because you're using too much weight. i've only seen one or two people who ligitamently couldn't kick dbs into position but could rep them out with full ROM - 99.999999% of people, if they can't kick it into position and rep it, can't do full ROM. use less weight.
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    Originally Posted by $AJ
    because you're using too much weight. i've only seen one or two people who ligitamently couldn't kick dbs into position but could rep them out with full ROM - 99.999999% of people, if they can't kick it into position and rep it, can't do full ROM. use less weight.
    I will try the 75's again next week, but let's just say I am doing it w/correct form?

    My form is elbows straight out from my side, upper arms parallel w/floor, raise db's up overhead, back down to parallel, repeat. Isn't that correct? I can do 3 sets of 8 at 75lb db's, but just can't get those 80's w/out feeling it.
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