Seriously need help with my high blood pressure

[Pimp-juice_69]

Ok folks, I need some guidance as I have had this monkey on my back for as long as I can remember. I really want to get my blood pressure under control. Everytime I get fired up enough to do something about it, it seems as if the doctors hear nothing I say.

But first a little history to get you up to speed with my situation. The first time I can recall getting my BP checked was when I was maybe 11 or 12 years old. My grandmother was studying to be a nurse's aide and she was practicing and taking all of our blood pressures. She proclaimed that mine seemed very high, but it stopped there. I didn't have a clue WTF it meant, and nobody else seemed too alarmed. (bastards )

Fast forward to '87 when I was 18, a construction laborer and in pretty good shape. Weighed probably 210 -215 @ 6' 4". I stepped on a nail at the jobsite and had to go to the ER to get a tetanus shot. The ER doc told me that my BP was very high, and he wondered if it was due to me stepping on the nail and being in pain, nervousness about the shot, or I really had a BP problem. He told me I should look into it. RIGHT!!!! At 18 that was the farthest thing from my mind.

About a year later I was working in Mississippi and went to the dentist to get some cosmetic dentistry done to a tooth that had been chipped. I was in no pain, maybe just a little nervous as I dislike going to the dentist, but otherwise I was fine. Being that I hadn't been to this dentist before they asked about any known medical conditions. I told them that I'd been told a few times that my BP seemed to be high, so they checked it. Then refused to work on me because it was so high!!! I don't recall the reading. The dentist referred me to a doctor and insisted I go see this fella.

I go see the guy and he checks me out. BP is in the 160/110 range, and he seemed puzzled when I answered his questions. I didn't smoke, ate a somewhat decent diet for an 18 year old, never used a salt shaker, and appeared to be in otherwise great shape. So he schedules me to go through some test at the local hospital, then gives me the dreaded dosepak to clean me out. Jesus what a night it was when I took those.

When I went to the hospital they ran some test, did xrays, then made me drink some kind of dye and did what I believe was a catscan. The doctor said it was to check my kidney functions. Anyway, they found nothing and he told me that some people's BP just ran high and prescribed two medications for me to take, lopressor and diazide. They made me feel like the walking dead. Headaches, dry mouth, and a definite disadvantage in the sex department with noticably weaker erections.

I don't remember how long I took these meds, but I remember what prompted me to stop them. A friend of mine's grandfather had a nurse visit him a couple times a week to keep an eye on his health. We happened to be visiting one day when she arrived. After she took his BP I asked her if she minded taking mine. She snickered and said what for??? I told her that I had high BP and was on medication for it. She was suprised and said I looked like the picture of health, and commented that I looked as if I worked out. I told her that I had a very physical job, and other than the BP problem I was good to go. She checked it and it was borderline high even with the meds. Then she asked what I was taking and when I told her she said OMG those will kill you before you turn 40!!! I said gee thanks, just what I wanted to hear. Then I thought about what she said, and that combined with the fact that the meds made me feel like sh*t eventually led me to stop taking them. Instantly I felt better.

I go a few years without taking any meds, got an easier job, and put on some weight. Went to the doc (different) over a cold and my BP raised his eyebrows. So I go through the whole spill of what I'd been through with my BP and he said there were better meds for me. He put me on the strongest strength Zestril that was available. It wasn't as hard on me as the other meds were, but it did make me weaker and have almost a constant dry mouth. Mild headaches were common too. It got me in the almost normal range and it took it for a few years and got tired of dealing with the side effects, especially the sexual ones. So as you guessed it, I stopped the meds. I didn't attempt anything to reduce it for a couple years.

When I decided to give it another go a friend told me to go see this fella that was known as a "pill doctor." He was generous with most any drugs and this made me a bit skeptical, but I also heard that he was genuinely a good doc. I go see him and tell him the whole story. He says well all that is wrong with you is that your rubber band is wound too tight. He puts me on ****** and lasix, tells me to come back in a week. I come back in a week and BAM my BP is excellent. I couldn't believe it. I took those meds for awhile and eventually tired of the ****** mellowing me so much, plus I knew it was highly addictive. The lasix made me piss like mad, multiple times for the first half of the day. Once again I stopped taking the crap and said to hell with it.

In 2000 I decided to give it another go, and this was my last attempt. I got put on various anti-anxiety meds which really made me feel like crap, couldn't sleep, NO libido, and a sort of surreal feeling. It sucked, and I told the doctor all of my past experiences, and that I'd give her some time to make improvements. I gave her 6 months, she listened to nothing I said, BP never got lowered, not even to what is considered borderline, and I had a medicine cabinet full of useless junk that I paid good money for. In the end I was very disgusted and gave up all together.

Now here we are in 2005 and I've drastically altered my lifestyle. I've went from weighing 295 to 245. I work out 4 times a week with weights, do cardio, try and do as strict a diet as possible and I still have high BP. I got it checked this morning and it is 150/108. I hoped that it'd be better as I've been taking some things in an effort to reduce it. Namely garlic, potassium, and one baby aspirin every morning. I also started taking 6g of L-arginine daily just a little over a week ago. So what do I do???

I've looked into a lot of new BP meds and there are still ton of negative side effects when you consider the fact that I'm active, and like to work out. As heavy as possible I might add. I thought about giving the lasix one more shot as it was one of the meds I was taking when the BP was really good, but I've read that it is very dangerous.

Also, some of the suppliments I'm taking may actually have an adverse effect on my BP. I just started back on my creatine yesterday, and I've also been on Lipo-6 for 8 days now, 4 capsules daily.

Is there a safe OTC diuretic that will help me expel salt and water safely or is that a pipe dream. I'd say it'd have to be a strong one to even remotely resemble Lasix. I've done about all I can do on my own without becoming a test mule for BP meds again.

I've made a ton of modifications to my lifestyle that should effect my BP. This is key information to any of you that may be able to help me. No matter what my weight was, it has had NO bearing on the BP. Activity level seems to have NO bearing on my BP. Smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee seem to have no effect on my BP, as I've been on both sides of the coin with that. I currently do not smoke, haven't since December, and have cut my coffee consumption to 2 cups a day, which is way down from a pot a day.

I really thought the smoking might have been messing me up. I really didn't start smoking until a few years ago when I was going through a divorce. I was stupid to do it, but I did. I wasn't a heavy smoker, and at times I'd go days without firing up a smoke. Then there would be days where I'd smoke a pack or more. It definitely had no place in my life, nor did it help me accomplish my goals in the gym, so I quit cold turkey.

This may be the most serious thread I post, any help would be appreciated.

[ectohell]

Sorry to hear about your troubles .... hang in there!

This thing actually works, it go tmy mom of her BP medication and she averaged about 150/90. Now she is averages about 132/76.


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[lukamar]

High blood pressure is a silent killer any you have to get it in hand or you won't be healthy at my age, if you are still living. Now having said that I hope you are shocked a bit into action.

You said - you had it checked this morning and it was 150/108. That's a high diastolic the Systolic is high but not bad. Now if that was post workout it was not high at all it's called exercise hypertension and we all get that to one degree or another. If it is 5 minutes after you get out of bed and you have only walked to the kitchen table to take it, it's high.

You should - Buy an automatic blood pressure unit and check your BP every day at the same time pre workout and post workout. Record everything.

You should - Find a competent cardiologist and have a cardiogram and tests to make sure that your heart is working properly.

You should - take your prescribed medications diligently if you have side effects the meds can be changed.

You Should NOT - Take Lasix or any diuretic without consulting a Dr. It is used for a lot of things and long term unsupervised use can lead to kidney failure, dehydration, nutrient stripping and death, along with a long list of other side effects. There is no safe OTC diuretic. If you felt better on a diuretic you probably were diagnosed with Congestive Heart Failure risk factors include heart attacks, Coronary artery disease, Hypertension, arrhythmias, Heart valve disease (especially of the aortic and mitral valves), Cardiomyopathy (disease of the heart muscle), Congenital heart defects, Alcohol and drug abuse.

You are a young guy. Go have a proper checkup with the proper tests, no amount of self diagnosis or forum diagnosis will help you and taking a non professional opinion and acting on it could end up killing you.

[Pimp-juice_69]

Thanks guys, I appreciate the comments.

I wonder if it'd be best that I stop taking the creatine, and the Lipo-6. Then not have my usual 2 cups of morning coffee, and get my BP checked??? The more I think about it, the Lipo-6 does increase my heartbeat, and we all know that creatine makes you retain fluid. Both of those are a no-no when it comes to BP. (i think) I don't think anything else I'm taking would effect my BP, except maybe the tribulus???

Either way I am going to beat this, no matter what!!! Ultimately I'd like to do it as naturally as possible. As I've stated, most BP meds have negative side effects. I guess that is why I've never been a fan of them.

I'm drinking a minimum of a gallon of water per day. I thought this would be a good thing, but considering my high BP is it???

[ectohell]

IMHO I would get off everything including the caffeine and get some baseline bloodwork and a good checkup from a cardiologist.

[lukamar]

Either way I am going to beat this, no matter what!!! Ultimately I'd like to do it as naturally as possible. As I've stated, most BP meds have negative side effects. I guess that is why I've never been a fan of them.

I'm drinking a minimum of a gallon of water per day. I thought this would be a good thing, but considering my high BP is it???

You don't seem to be listening......

Go have a proper checkup and tests to rule out things like a heart problem, coronary artery disease or other causes. You can't guess with your health.

Hellooooooooo.. There are many causes of high blood pressure, if it is not treated properly... IT WILL KILL YOU.

A higher heart rate is not always related to high blood pressure. My wife's normal BP is 100/60 ish with a pulse of 98 - that's almost tachycardia and her BP is low. You can have high blood pressure with a pulse rate in the 50's.

Don't argue about it, don't look for an easy fix, go get a checkup and ask to see a cardiologist.

That's the end of my lecture, it's up to you to decide what you want to do.

[GREENFEATHER]

Like everyone else said, go get a workup done. You could have a myriad of things causing it. I've been down the road you're going down right now and I know where you stand man, believe me when I tell you, I know exactly where you are.

I've been on probably 30 different BP meds since I was 30 with little to no effect other than the ones you listed. I'll give you a few pointers so listen up and heed my words!!

1 STAY AWAY FROM SALT. You might not use a salt shaker, but there's a hell of a lot of sodium in the foods you eat, READ THE LABEL!! Less than 400 mgs/ day is a good starting point.

2 Low fat isn't always what it seems to be. My BP is always 5-10 mm/hg lower when I'm on a ketogenic diet. If I eat something bad like pizza, it will be up the next day.

3 Take control of your health, don't let the docs screw around with you. Read my workout journal and you'll see what I mean. Cardio is good, but like I said go have a stress test done to make sure there isn't an underlying cause or any heart issues.

4 Celery seed, Hawthorne berry and dandelion root did in the past month what doctors couldn't in the last 10-15 years. My BP was at one point, 210/110. Today it was 122/ 81. Still not stellar, but it's damned good from where I stand. It's been as low as 117/75, but with the **** I'm going through with my wife and the insurance, I'd say it's pretty damned good!!
Good luck and Good Medicine!

[Pimp-juice_69]

lukamar, I'm not arguing with you at all, and I intend on seeing a cardiologist asap. The nurse at work is researching some different ones and is going to advise me on which one she thinks would be best for me to see. I am reluctant though because of past experiences. But I do have every intention of going to see a specialist. I still refuse to take a bunch of meds that make me feel like crap. I

I feel great, have tons of energy, and bust my ass in the gym. I try to take care of myself as best I can. I still want to try a few things before I start shelling out loads of $$$ and taking time off from work. Greenfeather knows where I'm at. It really sucks to be telling a doc details about your life, only for them to turn around and say something that totally lets you know they weren't listening. It is very discouraging to say the least, especially for the money you have to spend just to see them. Not to mention the insane cost of lab work, even with insurance kicking in on it.

[Pimp-juice_69]

Update:

I got an Omron digital BP checker Friday, and took several checks this weekend. Though the top number was usually in the low 150s, I did take some readings where it was in the mid 130s. Bottom number was ALWAYS around 80. I took it before I left work this morning and it was 146/80. I know it is still high, but much better than the reading I got from the nurse last week.

Something I had totally forgot when analyzing this whole situation was that I'd been taking some Allegra D due to some allergy problems. I looked at some of the side effects it and it definitely had some bearing on my high readings. It is a huge no-no for someone with BP problems to take Allegra, not to mention that I was drinking coffee, and taking Lipo-6 with too.

This weekend I took only my vitamins, and L-arginine. No creatine, or a protein shake either for that matter.

I am going to continue to monitor it, but right now I'm thinking that a more strict diet and more cardio has to help. I am not ruling out a doctor, but if I can get this under control without meds it'd be a lot better for me.

[hohandy]

Until I screwed up my knees about 5 years ago I was a fairly serious long distance runner - many marathons, 10Ks, etc. under my belt. Always did light gym work, but my main focus was always running - since high school, with an occasional year off when other things got in the way. Anyway, I've always had remarkably low blood pressure - whenever I've gotten a physical or checkup, it would always be commented upon. When I went for my 50 year old physical the docs said looking at my workup that no one would guess that I'm over 30. I have 2 younger brothers, both of whom did the gym time, and grudgingly did *some* cardio, but it was never their main focus at all. One has high blood pressure - the other is in the normal range.

So, based on my experience, anyway, if lowering your blood pressure is going to be your major goal (and if it's going to kill you before you're 40, it should be!), I'd advise to make cardio your main goal. Don't worry about your size (you can always eat, eat, eat! to maintain) and make it a point to either run bike swim or something else that keeps you moving a good hour or so each day. Doesn't mean you can't lift also, just make the cardio your main focus, as opposed to being secondary to your lifting. Give it a try for a few months and see how it goes. Good luck!

[CROWLER]

friend of mine's grandfather had a nurse visit him a couple times a week to keep an eye on his health. We happened to be visiting one day when she arrived. After she took his BP I asked her if she minded taking mine. She snickered and said what for??? I told her that I had high BP and was on medication for it. She was suprised and said I looked like the picture of health, and commented that I looked as if I worked out

The woman is an idiot. High BP, as was said before is the silent killer. They call it that for a reason.


Why all the drama with a 10 paragraph post. Go buy an automatic BP monitor, go to a Dr. and get on some meds since obviously you either are not interested enough to do what it takes to controle your BP or are not disciplined enough.

This aint rocket science literally MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people have high blood pressure and they controle it very well. It just amazes me that you have had high BP for so long and now all of a sudden it SEEMS you are worried about it.

Stop wasting time go to the Dr.

Yea I was harsh and meant to be, maybe it will wake you up and we wont have to wonder in a year HEY where is PimpJuice???? Maybe he died!

No excuse for your behavior and then come here all worried. Just get it fixed.

BTW there must be a THOUSAND websites on how what you SHOULD eat and what you should NOT eat to lower your BP I am just amazed.


CROWLER

[optiontrader1138]

Similar story here, but I just found out about it a few months ago. Never had a problem in the past, but the last time I had it checked was about 5 years ago. Been very stressed out since then and in my case, that resulted in high BP.

Cardio and weightlifting are both very good. Drinking plenty of water is good too. You have to quit the caffeine ... I did, and already feel much better.

Finally, there's a safe, OTC supplement you can take that is generally very good at reducing high BP ... magnesium. It delivers results comparable to the most commonly prescribed BP medicines, but no side effects. The problem is that Abbott labs won't put a billion dollar marketing budget behind it, so you've probably never heard about it. I started out at around 160/95, now down to 135/85. My son is also on it ... the doctors put him on it to stabilize his BP after having had a heart transplant, and it's quite effective.

Good luck!

[Pimp-juice_69]

optiontrader, thanks for the useful information I will definitely look into that more indepth. That's exactly the kind of information I expected to get when I posted this thread. I know there are more people out there than have beat this in various ways, WITHOUT getting on meds that have a lot of side effects. Ultimately I still may have to do this, but like I've said before I'm gonna try hard not to.

Now on to crowler, do you realize the concept of reading all the replies on a thread before spouting off??? If you did then you'd see that I did indeed buy a BP monitor and have been keeping tabs on my situation. The so called DRAMA of a 10 paragraph post was to inform people of my past history with BP problems, AND to let them know that I've made many lifestyle modifications that should've helped my BP problems. I'm sure they have had a positive effect, but some of the suppliments I was taking countered that.

Also, you say that now all of a sudden I'm worried about my BP problem??? Dude read my first post again, you have no idea at how much I've worried about this. Nor do you have any idea of how much money and time I've put into over the years to end up getting nowhere. It has been a concern of mine for a long time bro, but I've never really got the treatment I felt I should've got. It has discouraged me enough that I have given up on it more than once. I want to make one final stab at it before I subject myself to the Docs again, or at a minimum get it down as low as I can so I get put on very mild meds that won't interfere with my lifestyle as bad.

I understand that you probably meant no harm, but I do take offense to some of your comments. But it ain't the end of the world, and I make mistakes too.

[vja2000]

I can appreciate the situation the original poster is in with respect to his view of physicians. With respect to at least cardiology, physicians views are and have been for some time, deviating widely in opinion among them. There are also regional considerations with respect to cardiology, as well. For example, if you live in the north there is a good possibility you have had a bypass or a stint. If you live in the south you have more than likely had therapy. Most other places in the country and you have likely tried a host of narcotics.

What is high? At one point my blood pressure was hovering around 190 over 102/109. My doctor, an absolute genius by anyone's definition, told me in no uncertain terms not to worry about it. I asked him if it was okay to stop smoking and he said no. In fact, he told me not to change anything I was doing. What he did do was give me a muscle relaxant to stop my hands from shaking and my chest from fluttering. That brought my BP way down, but still high - that is to say, by old standards. Keep in mind the human body is evolving and things, including BP parameters, are being reconsidered.

Once the BP came down, I did stop smoking. At the same time, I stopped ALL caffeine from coffee, soda, chocolate, supplements, etc. Also, at the same time I stopped all sugar intake from cereal, cake, cookies, doughnuts, candy, etc. In very short order my BP came right down into normal - that is normal according to current standards - readings.

I believe that what started me down the path of high BP was high stress; high stress that screwed my adrenal system, which screwed my hormone levels, which in turn screwed my BP. I no doubt further aggravated the situation by smoking, drowning myself in caffeine, and rubbing sugar into my pores. Once the body unravels or unwinds it takes a while, sometimes years, to wind it back up or tighten it up once again.

Yes, high BP can be a silent killer, but so can driving in south Florida or hanging out by the NY trains after midnight. The veins are very, very flexible and expandable. If it were not for this, we would all be springing leaks left and right. Our blood pressure is supposed to rise and fall. I wear a Heart Rate Monitor when I train - not all the time, but on a regular basis just to monitor things. My Resting heart rate is presently 57. As an example of how Heart Rate fluctuates; as I approach my barbell for a set of curls, my heart rate will be around 75. By the time I'm through my last rep of my first set, my heart rate will be around 128. It takes me (presently) 1.5 minutes after that to return to 75. At the end of my second set my rate will climb to around 136, and so on. Of course, BP rises and falls as well.

The heart is a muscle of sorts. If it is not taken care of, it will weaken and fatten up. You may have other issues, as well. Cholesterol high? What about vitamin K levels? Too many doctors are like old cowboys who were too quick to reach for their guns; too many doctors are too quick to reach for their prescription pads.

From a societal standpoint, we have screwed ourselves nutritionally. Nowhere in this country can we stand and not find food. The problem is that most places we stand, the food we see isn't the best for us. How can we, designed by our creator to eat and store fat, not be subject to or fall victim to the over abundance of bad food surrounding us? I grew up in a Sicilian family - I remember what good fruit and vegetables taste like and it's certainly NOT what you buy in the stores today - not even close. In fact, when I get a package from mom - one of those "these are from our garden" packages, it always serves to remind me of what fruit and vegetables are supposed to taste like.

So yeah, we've screwed ourselves; our food volume has increased significantly over the years, but our food quality has declined just as significantly. Our environment, at the very least, requires a good deal of modification as we have over the many years been exposed constantly to a variety or array of toxins and other substances that have all individually and collectively served to alter who we are and to a large degree, what we have become.

We have to let go of how we used to do things and/or of old beliefs and focus now on what is. This is especially important to the over 35 crowd, as our bodies cannot as easily overcome the daily abuses it had for so long in our youthful years. We must view life differently now if we want to or expect to continue to remain healthy in later years. How many remember "Three square meals a day is all you need?" Do you understand that this term comes from centuries ago where men aboard ships were offered three meals a day as pay for their services aboard ship? And, that these meals were served up on you guessed it, square pieces of wood. Three "squares" a day - get it? Now there’s a good “rule” for us to live by.

Ron Reagan was right on with respect to the "trickle down" theory. We are all told not to look for the "magic pill," but then who is it really who is indeed in search of a "magic pill?" Is it not our doctors - the entire medical profession who is in fact in search of a "magic pill?" And, isn't this, the trickle down effect, that causes so many of us to look for that magic pill?

I don't blame this guy; the original poster here, for writing such a long post as this is a huge concern for any of us. He's reaching out here for answers because guess what? He isn't finding them elsewhere. He obviously writes quite well, which might lend itself to an assumed level of intelligence. We all have choices to make and some are quite difficult. Some of us have our own self to overcome. Some of us want to believe our doctors know everything. Well, how's this for a tough choice; you've just asked a question to a room with 101 people in it. One person is a doctor. The doctor tells you to follow procedure "A," and the other 100 people tell you that procedure "B" worked for them. Or, you're in a shelter and the weather is going downhill fast. One man tells you to leave and seek shelter elsewhere, while another man says you should stay. It’s tough, but we have to try – we have to search for and understand the available information out there with respect to our concerns and/or needs.

At some point we're all going to have to come to terms with the fact that our food supply is tainted and that our environment is just as screwed up and then we're all going to have to deal with it how we best see fit based upon ALL feedback we receive. We also have to understand that we are constantly being manipulated, brainwashed, and in some cases fully controlled by food and drug industries completely out of control. I went to a place called Bennegin's the other day for a meal. It is one of the few places left that I have found still puts steak, potato, and vegetable on one ceramic plate. As I'm sitting there waiting for my grilled 8 ounce sirloin, my plain potato, and my steamed broccoli I couldn't help but notice the signs they had everywhere encouraging patrons to forget about their resolutions and diets and instead, to order from a menu of absolutely sinful deserts. It was sad, to say the least. Further and for some reason, they just couldn’t leave my meal completely healthy and piled deep fried onions upon my steak. And, just like the tobacco industry apparently had, the fast food industry has also determined methods for causing moderate food addictions by combining certain types of fats with certain types and levels of carbohydrates and sodium levels.

We are the baby boomers. There is a huge number of Americans all coming of age at the same time and this is why we are seeing many of the food, environmental and relevant health issues coming to light now. We have to be smart and acknowledge that this is how it is - how it has become. We have to somehow overcome the years of brainwashing and find a way to focus on what is. If we want to be healthy, be fit, and feel good - we have to change what we believe and change what we have been doing for so long. The bottom line is this; things ain't what they used to be...

Vince

[Pimp-juice_69]

Well put my man,....well put indeed, and very deep I might add. You hit on some very good points and I repspect your opinion a lot. You seem to view things in a broader spectrum than most, and that is a rare trait these days.

You mentioned cholesterol, my last check had my HDL @ 36, and my LDL @ 68. Like you, I think most of my problems are and have always been stress related. I've always been a tense person.

[optiontrader1138]

Just checked my blood pressure ... down to 135/70, from an all-time high of 165/90. The last time the doctor checked (Jan 11th or so) it was 145/90.

[CROWLER]

Well PJ69 I am glad you are doing something about your BP. We all want you around here for a long long time.


CROWLER

[Pimp-juice_69]

Thanks crowler, I appreciate that a lot man. There is a great deal of knowledge in this forum, I only wish I'd been a member back in 2002 when I decided to transform myself.


optiontrader1138, that's awesome that you've got your BP down like that. I read quite a bit about the magnesium today. It is of popular opinion that the RDA values for magnesium are WAY off. It is common to read expert opinions that say we need 3 to 4 times the current RDA. (300mg is the RDA I believe) Also what you are telling me about it definitely has some substance. I am going to purchase some and continue to monitor my BP. It seems there are a myriad of things a magnesium deficiency can cause.

[optiontrader1138]

The explanation I got about magnesium is that a high-stress lifestyle (which is very common) burns through the available magnesium in the body. When magnesium runs scarce, blood pressure goes up. Seems to working wonders for me ... quite a drop in such a short time!

[Pimp-juice_69]

optiontrader,
How much magnesium are you currently taking everyday?

Also, I'd like to add that since I've been keeping tabs on my BP at home, the diastolic pressures I've recorded have all been real close to 80. The lowest I've seen was 75, and that was last night. But the systolic numbers are still high. Lowest I've seen is 135, but they are averaging 150. I am a bit concerned about the spread between the two.

[vince324]

I do the same thing for mine, but it doesn't work when I am doing cardio.