Hey I was wondering if there were any natural supplements, like herbs etc.. you can take to make me more vascular or increase the size of my veins?? This may be a dumb question?? but just wondering?? Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Thread: Supplements for vascularity
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02-06-2006, 09:27 PM #1
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02-06-2006, 09:29 PM #2
i've gotten good vascularity from bulk cee.
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My Oral Turinadrol/WinZtrol/Retain cycle here:
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Nitric oxide, see BB.coms write-up http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/no2.html
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Originally Posted by Griff008Disclaimer: While I have an M.D. the views I express are not to be taken as medical advice under any circumstances. Please check with your own doctor if you want medical advice as he/she has access to your info and can provide the most accurate advice.
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Originally Posted by NATHAN518"I just use my muscles as a conversation piece, like someone walking a cheetah down 42nd Street." - Arnold Schwarzenegger
Heretic....
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02-06-2006, 10:09 PM #14Originally Posted by deserusan
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Originally Posted by NATHAN518"I just use my muscles as a conversation piece, like someone walking a cheetah down 42nd Street." - Arnold Schwarzenegger
Heretic....
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02-06-2006, 10:24 PM #16
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02-06-2006, 10:27 PM #18Originally Posted by deserusan
I think many would argue that cell volumization, which is clearly an effect of GMS, is desirable as it creates an anabolic response...
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Originally Posted by NATHAN518"I just use my muscles as a conversation piece, like someone walking a cheetah down 42nd Street." - Arnold Schwarzenegger
Heretic....
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02-06-2006, 10:34 PM #21Originally Posted by deserusan
Whether GMS is the real deal or not, I cannot say for sure, but I did get some pretty notable pumps from Thunder which has GMS in it.SAN Nutrition
sann.net / pumpedmag.com / starmarklabs.com
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Originally Posted by cakedonkey"I just use my muscles as a conversation piece, like someone walking a cheetah down 42nd Street." - Arnold Schwarzenegger
Heretic....
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02-06-2006, 10:44 PM #24
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02-06-2006, 10:50 PM #27
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Originally Posted by NATHAN518"I just use my muscles as a conversation piece, like someone walking a cheetah down 42nd Street." - Arnold Schwarzenegger
Heretic....
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02-06-2006, 11:06 PM #28
You are right, it does not mention GMS specifically. It refers to cell volumization caused by creatine. However, you concede that supplementation with GMS also causes water retention in the cells...you are missing the point...
quote from the Berardi article...pay particular attention to this first paragraph...
"In fact if that water weight happens to be intracellular fluid (which it often is) not only should that water weight lead to increased strength, but it should also lead to increased protein synthesis, increased muscle mass, and long term growth. Let me explain:
What exactly is muscle growth? Hypertrophy vs Hyperplasia
To begin, I'd like to cover the two main ways for an individual to increase overall muscle size. The first, muscle fiber hypertrophy, refers to the increase in the diameter of the individual muscle cells. The larger the cells, the larger the overall muscle, it's that simple. Muscle fiber hypertrophy = Big muscle fibers.
The second, muscle fiber hyperplasia, refers to the splitting of muscle fibers in the interest of creating new fibers. Obviously this would be of interest to anyone pursuing size or strength due to the fact that and if an individual has more fibers, their overall size potential is greater. Therefore when looking at hyperplasia, Muscle fiber hyperplasia + Muscle fiber hypertrophy = Many big muscle fibers.
At this point, I know that you're all supercharged to learn how to both make more fibers and to make them bigger, but I'm going to have to put the breaks on and be the bearer of bad news. The problem with hyperplasia is that no one really knows exactly how to promote it. Once we are born, some experts believe, muscle fiber number remains fixed for our lifetime. Therefore under normal circumstances muscle fiber hyperplasia seems nearly impossible.
Interestingly, though, experts have begun to speculate that under abnormal circumstances hyperplasia can contribute to overall muscle growth. For starters, recreational or even moderately intense weight training will probably NOT do it. Unfortunately there has not even been any evidence that very intense weight training will promote hyperplasia. One proposed link to hyperplasia, though is anabolic steroid use. A recent article in the American College of Sports Medicine's Medicine and Science in Sport and Exercise found evidence for muscle fiber hyperplasia in anabolic steroid using powerlifters(1). This however, is pretty much the first evidence of a mechanism for hyperplasia in humans. The bottom line is that unless we are ready to boatload anabolic steroids into our systems, neither you nor I are going to be enjoying the benefits of muscle fiber hyperplasia any time soon. So what about hypertrophy? Well that, my friends, is a reality."
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02-06-2006, 11:23 PM #29
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You cannot compare GMS to creatine. All this anecdotal evidence you speak of has been stacking the two!
"Glycerol monostearate
(Mono and Diglycerides)
Chemical Formula: CH3(CH2)16COOCH2CHOHCH2OH
<img src="http://sci-toys.com/ingredients/glycerol_monostearate.gif">
Synonyms:
Glyceryl stearate,
Mono and Diglycerides
Monostearin,
Octadecanoic acid monoester with 1,2,3-propanetriol
Description:
White or cream colored waxy solid.
Uses:
Mono-glycerides are used as emulsifying agents in many products, such as baked goods, whipped cream, and ice cream. It is a fat that is missing two of its fatty acids. It is often used with di-glycerides, which are fats that are only missing one of their fatty acids. "
http://sci-toys.com/ingredients/glyc...ostearate.html
"Creatine:
Chemical formula C4H9N3O2
<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/ff/Creatine2.png/150px-Creatine2.png">
Function
In the muscles, a fraction of the total creatine binds to phosphate - forming creatine phosphate. The reaction is catalysed by creatine kinases, and the result is phosphocreatine (PCr). Phosphocreatine binds with ADP to convert it back to ATP, an important cellular energy source.
There is scientific evidence that taking creatine supplements can marginally increase athletic performance in high-intensity anaerobic repetitive cycling sprints, but studies in swimmers and runners have been less than promising, possibly due to the weight gain. Ingesting creatine can increase the level of phosphocreatine in the muscles up to 20%. It must be noted creatine has no significant effect on aerobic exercise (Engelhardt et al, 1998).
Some studies have shown that creatine supplementation increases both total and fat-free body mass, though it is difficult to say how much of this is due to the training effect. Since body mass gains of about 1 kg can occur in a week's time, several studies suggest that the gain is simply due to greater water retention inside the muscle cells. However, studies into the long-term effect of creatine supplementation suggest that body mass gains cannot be explained by increases in intracellular water alone. In the longer term, the increase in total body water is reported to be proportional to the weight gains, which means that the percentage of total body water is not significantly changed. The magnitude of the weight gains during training over a period of several weeks argue against the water-retention theory."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CreatineLast edited by deserusan; 02-06-2006 at 11:25 PM.
"I just use my muscles as a conversation piece, like someone walking a cheetah down 42nd Street." - Arnold Schwarzenegger
Heretic....
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02-06-2006, 11:29 PM #30
I realize the two are completely different...I am just pointing to the fact that they share one thing in common...both creatine and GMS (even taurine) lead to increased cell volume which has in turn been linked to increased protein synthesis/decreased protein degradation end result of which is GROWTH
http://www3.baylor.edu/HHPR/ESNL/pub.../MD37-1-00.pdf
yet another study linking CELL VOLUMIZATION to MUCLE GROWTH...
don't get caught up in the creatine/taurine/GMS/glutamine...these are just a few of the supplements linked to cell volumization. My point is that cell volumization (which you have conceded is achieved through GMS supplementation) leads to increased protein synthesis and ultimately growth
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