This is absurd. I heard this on the radio and found it online. As if there wasn't enough supplement hysteria. Now journalists are calling creatine a 'steroid alternative'. People are denying using it as if it's an illegal substance.
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Is chrome-domed British actor Patrick Stewart trying to bulk up with a designer dietary supplement?
Lowdown hears that the 65-year-old Stewart, best known for "X-Men" and "Star Trek: The Next Generation," has been seeing a personal trainer and consulting his doctor about taking creatine.
That's the flavorless, <B>white-powdered steroid alternative</B>, made synthetically from amino acids, that's supposed to boost energy and build muscle.
But be very careful, Capt. Jean-Luc Picard: Creatine's potential side effects include kidney disorders, muscle tears, dehydration, diarrhea and cramping. Plus, although legal, the supplement remains controversial, as when St. Louis Cardinals slugger <B>Mark McGwire had to defend his use</B> of it when he shattered Roger Maris' single-season home run record in 1998.
"We in the medical world are averse to recommending medical supplements when we don't have hard evidence saying there are no ill effects," says Robert Gotlin, director of orthopedic and sports rehabilitation at Beth Israel Medical Center. "The issue of kidney stones, we think, is related to it. People who use it get stomach complaints. <B>My advice is, don't take it.</B>"
Yesterday, Stewart's spokeswoman insisted from London: "I spoke to Patrick. He is categorically not taking creatine or any other supplements."
Fine and dandy, Capt. Picard, but please, don't even consider it.
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02-04-2006, 01:45 PM #1Registered User
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Creatine is now a "steroid alternative"
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02-04-2006, 01:49 PM #2Kurwa Mać
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LMAO.
Thats ridiculous, this guy mustve worked at the health clinic on campus at some point.No matter how far a jackass travels, it won't come back a horse.
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02-04-2006, 01:59 PM #3Genetically Motivated.
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You have to be kidding me...
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02-04-2006, 02:04 PM #4Registered User
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thats exactly what i said when i read this sh!t.Originally Posted by Adamb83
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02-04-2006, 02:09 PM #5Hero. Psycho. Insomniac.
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What is unfortunate is that a 65 year old could really benefit from creatine in terms of overall health, and they will be turned off from it because of that douchebag writer.
If I were Stewart Id go after the doctor for patient-doctor confidentiality issues.The Dark Knight...Rises.
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02-04-2006, 02:12 PM #6Registered User
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better stop eating meat and fish cause creatine is found in that too!
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02-04-2006, 02:27 PM #7Registered User
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This guy doenst know what hes talking about. I found it especialy funny when he ****ed up about Mark McGuire defending creatine (supposed to be Andro). These half assed reporters never do their homework.
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02-04-2006, 03:10 PM #8Registered User
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let them wine, they have nothing better to talk about then to make up problems now...
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02-04-2006, 03:15 PM #9Banned
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doctors are notorious for recommending medicines KNOWN to have potentially deadly side effects to their patients.. what prescription medication does not come with a laundry list full of possible side effects?
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02-04-2006, 03:17 PM #10Up And Out
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No ****; very good point. And creatine has actually been shown to have health benefits...Originally Posted by Mr. Aries
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02-04-2006, 03:18 PM #11War against genetics
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Screw these reporters. Let them have their fun. Sooner or later people are going to get sick of reading about supplements every page they turn.
Its already getting pretty ridiculous. The longer we hold out, the more we have to gain later.
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02-04-2006, 03:20 PM #12Registered User
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Originally Posted by chan_ho_nam
Here's the dbag's email address if anyone feels like correcting him. He writes a daily column. This was from the New York Daily News on 2/2/2006.
lgrove@edit.nydailynews.com
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02-04-2006, 03:50 PM #13BULKINNNNNGGGG!!
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Originally Posted by Drudge
yeah, I was gonna say, wasnt McGuire using andro?
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02-04-2006, 05:11 PM #14eat, sleep, lift...repeat
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haha i know what your saying man. i took creatine and theres so many people, even girls saying, "i cant believe you would take creatine steroids" haha its rediculous. and when i was on it people would wisper to me, can you hook me up with some creatine, like its an illegal substance or something haha
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02-04-2006, 05:25 PM #15Registered User
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what is the shelf life on a jug of creatine?
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02-04-2006, 05:37 PM #16Registered User
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creatine is a steroid alternative, it is only sold because gear is illegal, if gear was legal creatine would be pointless to take
also, gear has health benefits too
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02-04-2006, 07:52 PM #17MR. SOBE
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yo man i can hook you up with a kilo of the creatine for cheap man
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02-04-2006, 07:59 PM #18Registered User
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I am in 100% disagreement. You are saying all the 16-20 year olds that wait to take gear becuase of age (not legality) would use gear if it was legal? I dont think so.Originally Posted by V5RED
THere are plenty more reasons as to why i think your statement is incorrect, but i dont feel like going on about thisM.O.B.
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02-04-2006, 08:05 PM #19Banned
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let me break it down and give you guys the most basic reason why doctors don't recommend supplements..
doctors are kinda like GNC guys... they dont' recommend anything they dont' get kick-backs on...
and that's the bottom line.
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02-04-2006, 08:11 PM #20Registered User
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LOLOriginally Posted by Mr. Aries
but so trueLive your DREAMS -> www.kabukiwarrior.com
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801 Dead @ 198
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02-04-2006, 08:14 PM #21Registered User
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most of them wait due to legality, not ageOriginally Posted by italionstallion
dont forget most teen lifters do not visit lifting forums, they get info from mags, the same mags which would be selling gear if it was legal
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02-04-2006, 08:18 PM #22Registered User
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Right, but the ones that do wait til they are 21 dont wait due to legality. Steroids dont become legal once you turn 21. They arent kind of illegal when you are 20 and then legal when you're 21. Those people are able to take them whenever, but choose to wait, and in the meantime, creatine is what most use.Originally Posted by V5RED
(One other big area when creatine would still be used is during PCT)M.O.B.
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02-04-2006, 08:19 PM #23Mr Prawo Jazdy
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hmmm......BS meter is going off the charts
LOL. The problem is what is generally happening in most of our country. A lot of these journalists are tubby-bellied, pencil-arm demigogue f%6ks without any knowledge whatsoever of supplements and serious penis envy when it comes to people who are actually and shape and take care of their bodies. They know next to NOTHING about supplements but yet attempt to act as seriously "informed" individuals. Its ridiculous the crap people are pulling, but its to be expected.
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An obvious example of New Math.
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02-04-2006, 08:25 PM #24Yeah das right!
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I was in the local library today looking for some books and one book caught my eye. It was titled 'Disgusting Drugs:Steroids' so out of curiosty I had to peep it. The book was obviously aimed at children telling about all the 'horrors' of anabolic steroids. In the back section they had 'steroid alternatives' and creatine was number one on the list! They were telling about how 'dangerous' creatine is and basically said that it was like taking anabolic steroids. I had to laugh and shake my head in disbelief. What a crock!
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02-04-2006, 08:28 PM #25Supplement Connosueir
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creatine increases energy?
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Hate to bust your bubble, but legit doctors do not get "kick backs" from "drug companies". That is illegal. Drug companies can sponsor studies (university, private etc), and even retain a physician as a spokesman or consultant. But the doctor you see to get some Viagra is not pocketing cash per script from Pfizer.
Not being rude, just a student doctor defending the profession.
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02-04-2006, 10:45 PM #27Mr Prawo Jazdy
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I doubt that
Originally Posted by NotoriousOkHate to bust your bubble, but legit doctors do not get "kick backs" from "drug companies". That is illegal. Drug companies can sponsor studies (university, private etc), and even retain a physician as a spokesman or consultant. But the doctor you see to get some Viagra is not pocketing cash per script from Pfizer.
Not being rude, just a student doctor defending the profession.
I have to call bulls%7t. I work as a PA and just from talking to a few doctors, even they will admit that certain unscrupulous medical professionals selling out to big pharm is a problem that is ongoing. Not to mention that drug companies fund a great deal of the medical schools so this stuff is pushed early and hard.
We had a doctor in the pediatrics section removed for associating too closely with Schering-Plough on Foradil. Its kind of like college recruiting and recruits not supposed to take cash or gifts, but we all know it happens a lot, more often then is reported.
I think most doctors mean well, but to say that there aren't doctors doing under the table deeds is rather naive considering the amount of cashflow coming in from above.Russell Wilson, the first QB in NFL history to throw a game-winning interception.
"So you got fired again eh?" "Yeah, they always freak out when you leave the scene of an accident."
Spiders are like offensive linemen, the best ones do their job and you never notice them.
An obvious example of New Math.
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02-04-2006, 10:53 PM #28Banned
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ah.. a student doctor.. not yet tainted by the necessary evil that invariably creeps into even the most prestigeous of professions.. give it a few more years, you'll understand that even amongst doctors, there are some seriously shady **** going on.Originally Posted by NotoriousOkHate to bust your bubble, but legit doctors do not get "kick backs" from "drug companies". That is illegal. Drug companies can sponsor studies (university, private etc), and even retain a physician as a spokesman or consultant. But the doctor you see to get some Viagra is not pocketing cash per script from Pfizer.
Not being rude, just a student doctor defending the profession.
i admire you defending your profession, I really do.. And I sincerely hope that you become one of these legit doctors you speak of.. It'll be a saving grace.
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02-04-2006, 10:57 PM #29Registered User
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Steroid-alternative?! They must have been talking about Cell-Tech.
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02-04-2006, 11:39 PM #30Registered User
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what are you guys talking about roids being legal illegal at 21? wut country are you living in, i never knew anything of the sort, unless you refer to prohormones.
Also its weird you mention, i was just wondering to myself if creatine couldn't cause kidney stones, i don't see why it wouldn't actually, but im no expert on kidney stones, it just looks like a substance that would haha. But i do remember reading there is only one documented case of it being a problem for someone with a PRE existing kidney problem, problem went away after he stopped taking it. Also it is synthetic, so i cant see how it can't be bad in some way, usually synthetic stuff is bad for somehting, but then again im not an expert maybe someone can clear this up. BTW i did read about the good things creatine has to offer, increased bone mass, immune boost and maybe something else.
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