Completely necessary to cut out carbs when cutting?

[GeTTiN B1G]

its been a week so far on a low carb, high fat and protein diet with keepin my carbs to under 30g's and its driving my nuts, when cutting up to shred fat and bodyfat, is it a complete necessity to keep your carb intake to a minimum

[bigguy19]

not neccesarily, most people just tend to lower carbs, not just avoid them all together

[ruga buga]

not neccesary. just people tend to taper down carbs during the cut

[KhanPaulsen]

Originally Posted by GeTTiN B1G

its been a week so far on a low carb, high fat and protein diet with keepin my carbs to under 30g's and its driving my nuts, when cutting up to shred fat and bodyfat, is it a complete necessity to keep your carb intake to a minimum

In order to keep thyroid production up it is often advised to do a carb-up every so many days (4-5 is common), but keeping carbs very low on the other days, and limited usually to just post workout.

The reason to keep the carbs away most of the time is simple - insulin interferes with fat loss.

[GeTTiN B1G]

Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen

In order to keep thyroid production up it is often advised to do a carb-up every so many days (4-5 is common), but keeping carbs very low on the other days, and limited usually to just post workout.

The reason to keep the carbs away most of the time is simple - insulin interferes with fat loss.

so if i keep my regular low carb diet, every 5th day i can have a moderate carb day?

[KhanPaulsen]

Originally Posted by GeTTiN B1G

so if i keep my regular low carb diet, every 5th day i can have a moderate carb day?

Absolutely. Just make sure the other macros are tweaked to fit the overall calories in your diet for that day, so that there isn't a "spill-over".

[arnold_wannabe]

Originally Posted by GeTTiN B1G

its been a week so far on a low carb, high fat and protein diet with keepin my carbs to under 30g's and its driving my nuts, when cutting up to shred fat and bodyfat, is it a complete necessity to keep your carb intake to a minimum

High fat diet? i dont know about you but im currently cutting im on a low fat/carb diet high protein. You dont need to cut out carbs all together, just keep them low and stick to complex carbs which im sure u know. If you dont do cardio in the mornings u can stack up on carbs then, not go overboard but thats best time when your body copes with them.

[Fappie]

naw thats all b.s.

its all about portion control and burning more cals than you take in.

= cardio+portion control.

**** I ate pizza and still got down to 12% bodyfat by doing weights and running.

[mcool]

no way. just keep eating the good carbs. i eat a high good carb, high protein, low fat diet to get lean.

[KhanPaulsen]

Originally Posted by arnold_wannabe

High fat diet? i dont know about you but im currently cutting im on a low fat/carb diet high protein. You dont need to cut out carbs all together, just keep them low and stick to complex carbs which im sure u know. If you dont do cardio in the mornings u can stack up on carbs then, not go overboard but thats best time when your body copes with them.

I'm going to be a little nitpicky here, don't take any offense to this.

"High fat" for dieters isn't all that uncommon. A ratio I've used very successfully with a lot of clients was 50%protein-35%fat-15%carbs for calorie distribution, of course carb-up days are different. Protein should always be kept high, but focusing on the green veggies, and healthy fats to fulfill most of the remaining calories is a great way to go. Keep in mind, when I say "used very successfully" I mean they increased their lean mass, got stronger, and got leaner all at once. Building muscle and losing fat at the same isn't a myth, it just takes intelligent planning and execution.

The body is sensitive to carbs after morning cardio, yes, but it also shuts down the fat burning to an extent due to the insulin. A lot of the people that do morning cardio, and are purely after fat loss should have a protein/fat type meal next.

The body best copes with insulin after workouts in which lifting is done, or after HIIT type cardio. Traditional morning cardio isn't even close, but it is still better than being sedentary concerning insulin sensitivity.

[mcool]

i think my my plan is 10% fat, 60% carbs, 30% protein.

[SecondSucks]

Originally Posted by GeTTiN B1G

its been a week so far on a low carb, high fat and protein diet with keepin my carbs to under 30g's and its driving my nuts, when cutting up to shred fat and bodyfat, is it a complete necessity to keep your carb intake to a minimum

If ur goin under 30g a day you might as well go on the Anabolic Diet. Its pretty much a keto diet with carb-up days on the weekends. first 12 days are <30g of carbs then u get 1-2 carb-up days, then back to <30g for the week then carb days

[mcool]

its the bad carbs that turn into fat. so don't eat the bad carbs. the carbs that are found in fruit won't turn into fat AS MUCH because they contain fructose.

[GeTTiN B1G]

Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen

I'm going to be a little nitpicky here, don't take any offense to this.

"High fat" for dieters isn't all that uncommon. A ratio I've used very successfully with a lot of clients was 50%protein-35%fat-15%carbs for calorie distribution, of course carb-up days are different. Protein should always be kept high, but focusing on the green veggies, and healthy fats to fulfill most of the remaining calories is a great way to go. Keep in mind, when I say "used very successfully" I mean they increased their lean mass, got stronger, and got leaner all at once. Building muscle and losing fat at the same isn't a myth, it just takes intelligent planning and execution.

The body is sensitive to carbs after morning cardio, yes, but it also shuts down the fat burning to an extent due to the insulin. A lot of the people that do morning cardio, and are purely after fat loss should have a protein/fat type meal next.

The body best copes with insulin after workouts in which lifting is done, or after HIIT type cardio. Traditional morning cardio isn't even close, but it is still better than being sedentary concerning insulin sensitivity.

im not to good with percentages but your ratio seems close to what i take in...since i eat the same meals everyday i get 250g's of protein, 128's grams of fat and 30g's of carbs. Is that a good amount for every day?

and also with the carb up day im just wondering how often to have one cause after about 4-5 days i start going crazy craving for some carbs.

[KhanPaulsen]

Originally Posted by GeTTiN B1G

im not to good with percentages but your ratio seems close to what i take in...since i eat the same meals everyday i get 250g's of protein, 128's grams of fat and 30g's of carbs. Is that a good amount for every day?

Assuming the calories are correct for you - yes.

By the way, a simple program to calculate the percentages is www.fitday.com

and also with the carb up day im just wondering how often to have one cause after about 4-5 days i start going crazy craving for some carbs.

Once every 4-5 days is fine, provided you make sure you don't have spill-over. Some people do once a week, but it does take some mental fortitude.

[big-muscle-19]

well im losing fat on my high protein, moderate carbs, moderate-low fat diet atm. i just make sure i eat below maintenance calories and have intense cardio sessions. Its early days tho

im enjoying this cut so far, first few days were hard but its ok now.

Im on about 200g carbs daily

[GeTTiN B1G]

every 4-5 days sounds good, i dont see myself having a over-spill as today i had a somewhat carb day after being on the low carb diet for 5 days....now last question i have, would it be better on the carb day to have carbs in all 5-6 meals that day? or just one of those meals?

[KhanPaulsen]

Originally Posted by GeTTiN B1G

every 4-5 days sounds good, i dont see myself having a over-spill as today i had a somewhat carb day after being on the low carb diet for 5 days....now last question i have, would it be better on the carb day to have carbs in all 5-6 meals that day? or just one of those meals?

Try to keep the carbs earlier in the day, spread over the first 3, maybe 4 meals.

[Vipersg123]

Originally Posted by mcool

its the bad carbs that turn into fat. so don't eat the bad carbs. the carbs that are found in fruit won't turn into fat AS MUCH because they contain fructose.

stop giving advice, sorry man but a lot of what you say is just pure junk. Low GI carbs turn into fat, so do high GI carbs... Its about total calories... you cna get lean on a low fat diet and you can get lean (usually faster) on a ketogenic diet like the OP is on.

Most ketogenic diets have a carb up day, because since insulin levels are so low eventually your body stops making t3(thyroid hormone that stimulates metabolism) and it requires a release of insulin to turn it back on... this is usually fixed by a single carb up day a week... going form eating 30g or less to 200g, of course also modifying fat intake so you stay in the same caloric intake.

[GeTTiN B1G]

Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen

Try to keep the carbs earlier in the day, spread over the first 3, maybe 4 meals.

good stuff, thanks for the help man

Originally Posted by Vipersg123

Most ketogenic diets have a carb up day, because since insulin levels are so low eventually your body stops making t3(thyroid hormone that stimulates metabolism) and it requires a release of insulin to turn it back on... this is usually fixed by a single carb up day a week... going form eating 30g or less to 200g, of course also modifying fat intake so you stay in the same caloric intake.

good info also, thx

[mcool]

well, my diet made me lose 70 pounds.

[Vipersg123]

Originally Posted by mcool

well, my diet made me lose 70 pounds.

yes thats great, but what you said wasn't completely true... excess energy turns into stored energy, and that stored energy is fat. You can eat all the clean carbs you wanted and yeah they can turn into fat. Just sayin...

You do cardio and you are in a caloric deficit you will lose weight, thats the main determinant.

[mcool]

so 1.5 hr's of resistance training with 20 minutes of cardio everyday is good?

[Vipersg123]

if it works for you then its good... some folks have such a metabolism that they do not need to do much cardio. Also depends on your training style, if you are doing high volume low rest periods that in itself is cardio.

[arnold_wannabe]

Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen

I'm going to be a little nitpicky here, don't take any offense to this.

"High fat" for dieters isn't all that uncommon. A ratio I've used very successfully with a lot of clients was 50%protein-35%fat-15%carbs for calorie distribution, of course carb-up days are different. Protein should always be kept high, but focusing on the green veggies, and healthy fats to fulfill most of the remaining calories is a great way to go. Keep in mind, when I say "used very successfully" I mean they increased their lean mass, got stronger, and got leaner all at once. Building muscle and losing fat at the same isn't a myth, it just takes intelligent planning and execution.

The body is sensitive to carbs after morning cardio, yes, but it also shuts down the fat burning to an extent due to the insulin. A lot of the people that do morning cardio, and are purely after fat loss should have a protein/fat type meal next.

The body best copes with insulin after workouts in which lifting is done, or after HIIT type cardio. Traditional morning cardio isn't even close, but it is still better than being sedentary concerning insulin sensitivity.

I see what you mean but with that approach i think its too easy to give into cravings, carbing up every 4-5 days is much harder than people think, i know i cant cope with the energy loss etc that comes with it, which is why i prefer sticking to the basic, low fat/carb high protein diet. Atleast that way it lets me get my energy and controls cravings better. Again this is what works for me and what works for u might be different. As with the carbs after a morning workout your right but i said when not performing cardio in the morning thats when it would make more sense going with the carbs.

[mcool]

lets say i burn 300 calories during my workout ok. i have a post workout meal that is 650 calories. will those extra calories turnn into fat or is it the overall calories i eat during the day?

[mcool]

just for the record i consume 300g-350g of good carbs a day and i am still in shape.

[Vipersg123]

Your body has a set amount of calories it needs to maintain itself. If you go past that point you gain weight, if you stay at it you stay the same weight and if you go below it you lose weight. Thats all there is to it.

[mcool]

i already knew about the BMR. but is it ok to consume 600 calories post workout.

[GETTING BIG]

eat less but u need carbs.