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    Ephedra extract vs. alkaloids- what's the difference?

    I'm really confused as to what the difference is between the two. I was interested in trying a fat burner that contained ephedra extract but I was told it wasn't anything like the older versions which contained "ephedra group alkaloids". What is the difference between the two, and are the results really that different?
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    Originally Posted by kag808 View Post
    I'm really confused as to what the difference is between the two. I was interested in trying a fat burner that contained ephedra extract but I was told it wasn't anything like the older versions which contained "ephedra group alkaloids". What is the difference between the two, and are the results really that different?
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=555239

    Herbal Ephedra and Pure Ephedrine both stimulate CNS and SNS to some degree. Pure Ephedrine, due to the lack of the 5 other alkaloids, has a MILDER CNS effect (less side effects / jitters) but still has SOME CNS effect while maintaining a powerful SNS effect.

    Ephedrine Alkaloids (in herbal Ephedra):

    (-) ephedrine
    (+) pseudoephedrine
    (-) methylephedrine
    (-) norephedrine
    (+) norpseudoephedrine
    (+) methylpseudoephedrine

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    for pure ephedrine hcl check out these guys sndonline(.net) great guys to deal with
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    for pure ephedrine hcl check out these guys sndonline(.net) great guys to deal with
    Strangley it seems like 38 of your 39 post have to do with ephedrine. And sndonline. Are you a rep? Or some kinda scammer.

    Can anyone else back up this site hes pimpin?
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    I think it's some canadian site (I think Eph is legal and cheaper up there ?)

    I actually saw this on sale the other day:

    American Sports Nutrition UR24 Burnfast
    $22
    Serving Size-2 Capsules
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    MaHuang Plant (Standardized to 10mg of Ephedrine) 167mg
    Guarana Extract (Standardized for 200mg of Caffeine) 910mg
    Bitter Orange (Fruit&Root) (Standardized to 5mg Synephrine) 85mg
    Vitamin B-5 (Patothenic Acid) 45mg

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    White Willow Bark Extract (Standardized for 15mg salicin),
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    Originally Posted by pu12en12g View Post
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=555239

    Herbal Ephedra and Pure Ephedrine both stimulate CNS and SNS to some degree. Pure Ephedrine, due to the lack of the 5 other alkaloids, has a MILDER CNS effect (less side effects / jitters) but still has SOME CNS effect while maintaining a powerful SNS effect.

    Ephedrine Alkaloids (in herbal Ephedra):

    (-) ephedrine
    (+) pseudoephedrine
    (-) methylephedrine
    (-) norephedrine
    (+) norpseudoephedrine
    (+) methylpseudoephedrine

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    with a body like that, why does it matter? lol
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    Originally Posted by Scott_Widyn View Post
    with a body like that, why does it matter? lol
    I didn't want to be the 1st to say it, but at least someone did
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    The difference is that there a number of plants in the "ephedra" family. Not all have the stimulatory/thermogenic effect that people are looking for. When you see something that doesn't have any alkaloids, that usually means that it's an extract from one of the plants that doesn't exert the desired effect. Thus it is simply marketing at work, making you think that you're getting ephedra, when you simply getting a plant from the same "family".
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    Originally Posted by Scott_Widyn View Post
    with a body like that, why does it matter? lol
    Awww what a sweet thing to say! But really, I do need a lot of help, gotta shed that stubborn layer covering my abs and besides diet and training, I'll try anything, I'm desperate lol.
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    Ephedra

    Hey Karen,
    how are ya hun? I would recommend staying away from ephedrine. There are enough stimulant free products out there that will do the job. It really gets the heart racing.........I know people who have taken it and it scared the sh*t out of them. But hey, just my opinion.
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    Originally Posted by kdog777 View Post
    Strangley it seems like 38 of your 39 post have to do with ephedrine. And sndonline. Are you a rep? Or some kinda scammer.

    Can anyone else back up this site hes pimpin?

    no i wish i would work for them. trust me i spent a lot of money with them and i like there service thats why i mention them a lot. people here ask and i give them the source where i buy from and my feedback. You have to do your on research of course.


    A lot of guys mention websites and other supplements on this website doesn't mean they work for the company or are scammers. its because they like the company, services and the products the buy.
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    Originally Posted by germanmonster View Post
    no i wish i would work for them. trust me i spent a lot of money with them and i like there service thats why i mention them a lot. people here ask and i give them the source where i buy from and my feedback. You have to do your on research of course.


    A lot of guys mention websites and other supplements on this website doesn't mean they work for the company or are scammers. its because they like the company, services and the products the buy.
    But when 38 of 40 posts are about ephedrine and their website, a redflag is raised by myself and many others.
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    Originally Posted by Lax891122 View Post
    But when 38 of 40 posts are about ephedrine and their website, a redflag is raised by myself and many others.
    I bought from them after gm recommended them. Not only did i recieve it within in 4 days, Canada to Philly, i must say that they are the real deal. I paid for 200pills @ 30mg apiece, and they sent me 700 @ 10mg apiece, in actuallity giving me an extra 33.

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    Originally Posted by kdog777 View Post
    Strangley it seems like 38 of your 39 post have to do with ephedrine. And sndonline. Are you a rep? Or some kinda scammer.

    Can anyone else back up this site hes pimpin?
    I can, it's the best site i have used for eph..., see post above
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    Originally Posted by Illadelphia View Post
    I bought from them after gm recommended them. Not only did i recieve it within in 4 days, Canada to Philly, i must say that they are the real deal. I paid for 200pills @ 30mg apiece, and they sent me 700 @ 10mg apiece, in actuallity giving me an extra 33.

    I love snd...
    dude, how much did it cost?
    i went there last week i think and prices were all CAD.
    i emailed them and they don't do the conversion.
    i've never ordered internationally so i dunno how it all works.

    my normal site is waaay too expensive and i don't see them dropping prices anytime soon for their ephedrine hcl.

    on a somewhat related note, i have a bottle of lipodrene "with ephedra"... as a diet pill, sure it's pretty good.
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    Originally Posted by Illadelphia View Post
    I bought from them after gm recommended them. Not only did i recieve it within in 4 days, Canada to Philly, i must say that they are the real deal. I paid for 200pills @ 30mg apiece, and they sent me 700 @ 10mg apiece, in actuallity giving me an extra 33.

    I love snd...
    thanks bro, here is another member on these forum. It may raise red flags because i recommend them to everyone, but i think they deserve it, i bought from so many other websites and after finding sndonline (.net) of course i want to tell people/members about that website to help them. Don't want everyone to get ripped off like me when i bought from other websites. But like always do your own research contact the company.
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    Originally Posted by germanmonster View Post
    thanks bro, here is another member on these forum. It may raise red flags because i recommend them to everyone, but i think they deserve it, i bought from so many other websites and after finding sndonline (.net) of course i want to tell people/members about that website to help them. Don't want everyone to get ripped off like me when i bought from other websites. But like always do your own research contact the company.
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    Well I apoligize. And I thank you for sharing the wealth.
    no problem bro. we are all here to help each other and share our experiences with purchasing online from vendors. I just don't want people to go threw 10 websites and buy **** before they find the right one. I had to do that and it sucks.
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    Originally Posted by onehawaiian View Post
    dude, how much did it cost?
    i went there last week i think and prices were all CAD.
    i emailed them and they don't do the conversion.
    i've never ordered internationally so i dunno how it all works.

    my normal site is waaay too expensive and i don't see them dropping prices anytime soon for their ephedrine hcl.

    on a somewhat related note, i have a bottle of lipodrene "with ephedra"... as a diet pill, sure it's pretty good.
    let's just leave it at that.
    total, i got 7,000 mg for like $95 shipped.

    It was only like 79, but then 16 for ship
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    Originally Posted by Illadelphia View Post
    total, i got 7,000 mg for like $95 shipped.

    It was only like 79, but then 16 for ship
    i started ordering over $100 so i receive free shipping, which is even better. why pay $15 in shipping might as well get more ephedrine
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    hi karen, do you mind me asking what food you are consuming in the day? and how much water you consume in a day? it looks like near everyone have said about eph's. they do work, but its pointless going on to fat burners and stimulants if you havent done everything possible with the food and water.
    have you tried vitamin c? it is a proven mild diretic.
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    Originally Posted by jj6623 View Post
    hi karen, do you mind me asking what food you are consuming in the day? and how much water you consume in a day? it looks like near everyone have said about eph's. they do work, but its pointless going on to fat burners and stimulants if you havent done everything possible with the food and water.
    have you tried vitamin c? it is a proven mild diretic.
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    No I haven't tried taking vit c... I do eat pretty clean, but I do have to admit, I may not drink as much water as I should. I still want something strong though, that will help me shed that layer of fat covering my abs, and everywhere else lol.
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    ok if you want.. write down everything you eat and drink on an average day and send it to me, and ill write you a diet plan.. see i cant realy suggest anything untill i know what you eat, that is if you want me to help.. if you could write down what your workout plan is too that would be another help, thanks hope to hear from you soon, james
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    Originally Posted by kag808 View Post
    I'm really confused as to what the difference is between the two. I was interested in trying a fat burner that contained ephedra extract but I was told it wasn't anything like the older versions which contained "ephedra group alkaloids". What is the difference between the two, and are the results really that different?
    Has anyone here actually given ephedra extract products a trial run and compared the effects to their experinces with ephedra alkaloid products?
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    Originally Posted by eatme503 View Post
    Has anyone here actually given ephedra extract products a trial run and compared the effects to their experinces with ephedra alkaloid products?
    Yes I tried the extract... NOTHING like the alkaloid products. Now I know the difference. I was taking the alkaloid formula a couple of years ago, dropped fat like crazy. Then thought I'd start up again last year, didn't get the same results. Didn't know why. Then I find out it's because they changed the formula to the extract.
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    i am brand new to the forum. I live in california and i have been out of the game for about 4 years. i am putting myself back on track and i was doing some searches for the whole ephedra thing and i came across this forum. i was very impressed by this thread, i think its great all the feedback it gave. im just wondering if this sndonline is still a good place. nobody has posted anything since january. i used to take the ECA stack and am looking for something similar. i dont mind going straight eph... but can someone give me some advice on what mg to order and how much to take?
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    i am brand new to the forum. I live in california and i have been out of the game for about 4 years. i am putting myself back on track and i was doing some searches for the whole ephedra thing and i came across this forum. i was very impressed by this thread, i think its great all the feedback it gave. im just wondering if this sndonline is still a good place. nobody has posted anything since january. i used to take the ECA stack and am looking for something similar. i dont mind going straight eph... but can someone give me some advice on what mg to order and how much to take?
    thanks guys and gals ;o)
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    Wouldn't it be cool if stupid people didn't fck up everything for everyone else?
    It would, but it is not going to happen..

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