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    Guess My BF (and some questions)

    currently im 200 pounds 5"9 and 18 years old. Right now im cutting trying to drop down another 20-25 pounds of fat. I used to be 265. Now my main goal (for now) is to be able to show somewhat of defention on my abs, not nessecerally a six pack but as close as i can to it by the summer.

    Now I have 3 questions,

    1) Would it be a good idea for me to take creatine while cutting (i want to start taking it)

    2) more or less what do you think my BF % is.

    3) what should my BF be to show some- what of a six pack

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    My upper body isnt great but my calves are pretty rock solid and my thighs are very muscular aswell but they are just covered w/ fat which makes it look like fat =(
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    bump please =(
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    I would say between 16-18%
    I am going to keep on training until my back has grown a back of its own.
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    K, i guessed about the same what about all the other questions.

    Thnx for the reply BTW. =P
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    hmm..not a body fat expert..

    congrats on your weight loss. unfortunately, it doesnt look like you have much muscle mass as you've cut. that being said..you should probably start to eat some more proteins, and work on your nutrition aspect..as well as change up your work out routine. in order for you to see a 6 pack the way your going..your going to need to lose alot more body fat..and then you will be extremely skinny. your best bet would be to start compound movements, like dumbell presses, dead lifts, pullups, shoulder presses, etc to get some muscle mass. read over the nutrition forum.., i wouldnt suggest you doing a bulk per se, but eat maybe 4-5 clean meals a day, throw in some fish, chicken, eggs, whole wheats, etc..and lift some heavier weights, and not only will you lose more body fat..but all your muscles, including your abs, will start to pop out.

    seeing as you've had the determination to lose 65 pounds already..it shouldn't be hard for you get what you want.
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    Im not sure about the first quesion.

    To see abs. most say 10 or below. Saying that im sure some people can see abs at 12%
    I am going to keep on training until my back has grown a back of its own.
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    Currently im running a 40/40/20 diet my diet is pretty much set so im good w/ that. But Vin thats why i asked if i should start taking creatine so i could start lifting heavier weights.

    Im defenatly going to go for 10-12% BF for the summer hoppfully i can pull it off.

    The only thing i still have unanswered is my question about creatine if someone could please help me out w/ that.
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    bump?
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    i really hate too triple post but i really am considering starting to take creatine but i need advise on it first and i want to order it asap
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    No

    Don't take creatine while cutting. Creatine will cause your muscles to retain water, which isn't what you want went cutting down. You will loose a bit of muscle mass while cutting, unless you use something to prevent your body from going into a catabolic state. For example, Clenbuterol.


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    There is nothing wrong with taking creatine while cutting unless you want to get rid of water for competition. In fact if you are cutting by doing a diet such as Keto or Carb Cycling creatine will help you providing water and power to your muscles during workouts. Muscle loss is also avoidable...in fact you may even gain muscle while cutting if you do EVERYTHING right. You just have to know what you are doing and stick to it...that's where discipline comes into play.
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    ok well i dont care about water weight for the time being. i just wanna loose some excess weight i have and gain some mucsle in the prosses. so i am going to be starting to take creatine.

    btw whats keto?
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    Originally Posted by Pac 22
    ok well i dont care about water weight for the time being. i just wanna loose some excess weight i have and gain some mucsle in the prosses. so i am going to be starting to take creatine.

    btw whats keto?
    Keto is a ketogenic diet...or better, its a change in metablism. Its very similar to Atkins diets with a difference that carbohydrates are not totally eliminated from the diet. You restrict carbs to almost 0 and your body goes into a ketogenic state where the liver now converts fat into ketons (hence ketogenic) and uses ketons for energy rather than carbs (excess Crabs not used for energy are stored as fat). Your diet will consist mostly of fat, protein and fiber and your body will use the fat as a fuel source and this means it will use stored fat on your body as well. You also need to have at least 5-6 small meals a day to keep your metabolism from shutting down.
    There is a lot to the whole Keto diet but if you want to lose fat and spare muscle tissue then read up and educate yourself on it. Here is a link to a whole lot on Keto diets in this forum.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=61

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian6.htm

    Also lookup Carb Cycling and Carb Timing

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par30.htm
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    Originally Posted by Pac 22
    Currently im running a 40/40/20 diet my diet is pretty much set so im good w/ that. But Vin thats why i asked if i should start taking creatine so i could start lifting heavier weights.

    Im defenatly going to go for 10-12% BF for the summer hoppfully i can pull it off.

    The only thing i still have unanswered is my question about creatine if someone could please help me out w/ that.
    Your diet of 40/40/20 will take you only so far. It works for some people but many complain that they hit a plateou after they lose enough fat. If you want 7% or 10% BF than you should consider...Carb Cycling/Timing or Keto and this will sapare your muscle as well. Your diet will be more like 40/10/50+. If the curent diet works for you then by all means stick with it 'till it doesnt anymore.

    Like I said before...creatine will neither help you lose nor gain weight. I say use it.
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    all of the below is my opinion, and my opinion only.

    1) yes take creatine. I would recommend taking CEE instead of Mono though. Personally, I have less "bloat" from CEE than Mono, and I know others who say the same. IMO, that makes it better for cutting than Mono is.

    2) I think your BF% is probably 18-20%. However, the pictures may be misleading because you have lost so much weight recently. You may have a lot of extra skin (which can make you look fatter than you are), so the pics may be misleading, and your BF may be lower.

    3) I know several people that can see their abs well at as high as 12-13% BF. Me personally, I have to get below 10 to see them. You may also have to get very low, due to the possibility of extra skin like mentioned above.


    I agree with a previous poster that you probably want to gain a little muscle mass, or at least gain some more muscle tone. The basic thing to do is just stick with it. If you have the determination required to lose all that weight, then reaching your physique goals should not be a problem for you at all. If it helps you stay encouraged, set a goal, and keep a log until you reach that goal. We are all (well most of us :P) here to support each other. Good luck bro!!!
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    The people above answered every question you had asked, beside (3).

    In order to get a six, four, two or one (i dont know :P) your first needing a low bodyfat, its largley debatable because it varies from person to person but about 10%-13% and of course, below.
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