Does anyone actually believe in "Core" training?

[UtahRocks]

I Crossfit-ted them. Best program out there for military or general athletes.

Fitting for crossdressing?

[nickmanzoni]

You liposucked them?

This isn't personal training vs. some dude using wikipedia.

This is one opinion vs. another. I actually use both conventional core training with new style core training.

You are saying one or the other... and pick the one YOU like..... kind of short sighted....

[Al Swearengen]

did you or did you not call my process into questioning because I'm a "kid"? read it.

2nd, being "mature" is one thing, but seriously, who uses "pwn" after 30????

3rd 405 squat done 90 degree bend, who says atg= ONLY way to squat?

1st-kid isn't a derogatory word when someone old enough to have laid your momma is speaking to you.

2nd-thats lame but ok, owned.

3rd-i didn't say anything about your e-stats retard.

im assuming somewhere in your illustrious teachings you missed human interaction class, what with how you debate with people here and all.

[nickmanzoni]

1st-kid isn't a derogatory word when someone old enough to have laid your momma is speaking to you.

2nd-thats lame but ok, owned.

3rd-i didn't say anything about your e-stats retard.

im assuming somewhere in your illustrious teachings you missed human interaction class, what with how you debate with people here and all.

you know if you were to be here right now I would rip your jaw offbecause of that first statement right?

But seeing as though you're NOT here and just some dude being "e-tuff"....I will let that go.

I was also addressing someone else, but could care less to know how to quote multiple people.

[knowles.ja]

you know if you were to be here right now I would rip your jaw offbecause of that first statement right?

But seeing as though you're NOT here and just some dude being "e-tuff"....I will let that go.

lol

[Justin_Haines]

I saw this page gained a couple pages. Thought maybe it actually started a good discussion.

Boy was I wrong.

[BluntD]

you know if you were to be here right now I would rip your jaw offbecause of that first statement right?

But seeing as though you're NOT here and just some dude being "e-tuff"....I will let that go.

Wow strong contradiction

[|ceman]

lol

Wow strong contradiction

And here I thought I was the first one to see the irony in his post

[Dominik]

[mAssholio]

You know what? People look at me doing **** like this all the time, but 90% look like ****, and the other 10% still look like **** but are willing to try.

ahahahahahaah

[Defiant1]

actually, doing dumbell bench on a swiss ball absolutely ups your bb bench.

Proof?

Here is counter evidence:

http://www.dynamic-med.com/content/4/1/6

http://apt.allenpress.com/perlserv/?....0.CO%3B2&ct=1

Forces better eccentric motion and slows concentric motion= more mitochondrial growth= more strength.

You are capable of lowering about 40% more than you can raise. On a bosu ball, you are not stressing the prime movers intensely, even in a CONCENTRIC motion, due to lower potential force output. How is ESPECIALLY NOT overloading a particular quality going to specifically train for that quality? It would be like saying that doing the lower range of the bench press is a great way to train lock-outs.

A slower concentric motion is counter to power development.

And mitochondrial growth has to do with muscular endurance. It has NOTHING to do with 1rm strength.

Running on ice isn't going to make you a good sprinter.

[ThickAsABrick]

you mean couldn't care less

If you could care less, then you care

(no jaw rip)

[johnsbod]

We paid for a certification, not an edimikation.

Aren't you still in high school and 16 years old? I thought it was already proven in another thread that you were and have no certification.

[Mises]

ONE PIECE

[mAssholio]

you mean couldn't care less

If you could care less, then you care

(no jaw rip)

its a good thing you're not there and are just some dude being e-tuff... hell let that go.

[nickmanzoni]

Proof?

Here is counter evidence:

http://www.dynamic-med.com/content/4/1/6

http://apt.allenpress.com/perlserv/?....0.CO%3B2&ct=1



You are capable of lowering about 40% more than you can raise. On a bosu ball, you are not stressing the prime movers intensely, even in a CONCENTRIC motion, due to lower potential force output. How is ESPECIALLY NOT overloading a particular quality going to specifically train for that quality? It would be like saying that doing the lower range of the bench press is a great way to train lock-outs.

A slower concentric motion is counter to power development.

And mitochondrial growth has to do with muscular endurance. It has NOTHING to do with 1rm strength.

Running on ice isn't going to make you a good sprinter.

the first study was based on trunk muscles, NOT chest muscles.... read the table *2* nothing sited.

2 study says "Greater EMG activity was detected with concentric vs. eccentric or isometric contractions." this in response to swiss vs. stable surface...

3..slower concentric motions is ONE way to increase muscular endurance.... and what did we say happens when we increase muscular endurance.?

mitochondria....and we know what THEY do...

[nickmanzoni]

how is tilting back and forth not instantly stess the prime movers in the squat?

Though you are smart defiant, I do notice how you kind of go off topic.

No one was talking about performing 1rm whilst doing these exercises. Yes we were talking about overall power (somehow).... but that can be trained doing multiple reps. If you disagree, then there would be no one doing 6-10 rep sets at all.

[|ceman]

Should I try doing squats while wearing roller skates to increase my core strength and balance?

[AnaerobicAndrew]

how is tilting back and forth not instantly stess the prime movers in the squat?

Though you are smart defiant, I do notice how you kind of go off topic.

No one was talking about performing 1rm whilst doing these exercises. Yes we were talking about overall power (somehow).... but that can be trained doing multiple reps. If you disagree, then there would be no one doing 6-10 rep sets at all.

Yikes, you need to just quit while youre not too far behind here bud.

[nickmanzoni]

Yikes, you need to just quit while youre not too far behind here bud.

so you disagree that 6-10 reps promote strength?


you sure?

[Al Swearengen]

Should I try doing squats while wearing roller skates to increase my core strength and balance?

yes, but only up hill, down doesn't give full rom. (no jaw rip)

[AnaerobicAndrew]

so you disagree that 6-10 reps promote strength?


you sure?

WTF?


Where in my post did I say anything remotely like that...? But now that you mention it, yes, I do "disagree" because that statement would be a generalization.

People like YOU are the reason why I have "BB.com = idiots + anecdotes" under my username.

[|ceman]

yes, but only up hill, down doesn't give full rom. (no jaw rip)

I heard you are just some dude being "e-tuff". Is this true? Maybe I shouldn't trust you.

[nickmanzoni]

yes, but only up hill, down doesn't give full rom. (no jaw rip)

your kid is ugly... I should rip it's jaw off....

[Gordon Bombay]

I think that I'm the only one that ever does deadlifts at my school gym...seen about half a dozen ppl do squats on the rack and smith machine tho :/

[Al Swearengen]

your kid is ugly... I should rip it's jaw off....

you need to calm down buddy. insult me all you like, but if you continue to threaten me or my grandson with bodily harm, joking or not, i will be speaking to the authorities.

[ThickAsABrick]

your kid is ugly... I should rip it's jaw off....

stop acting like such a douche

[|ceman]

your kid is ugly... I should rip it's jaw off....

Not cool man. Joke and debate all you want, but leave the those kind of comments out.

and what's with the "rip your jaw off" garbage, tough guy?

[wildtacos]

your kid is ugly... I should rip it's jaw off....

omg I haven't laughed so hard since i seen the strange wilderness commercial lol

nice body btw (no homo) really is inspirational

BB parrot says!

1-5 reps = strength training ( mostly nervous system stimulation little hypertrophy(in general)) 85% < of 1 RM

6-8 Reps = functional hypertrophy ( combo of NS & hypertrophy(metabolic response). Used extensively in sport oriented training programs as well as BB'ing. 79%-89% of 1RM

9-12 reps = hypertrophy (metabolic response = size & not a lot of strength gains). 70-78% of 1RM

13+ reps = Strength Endurance 69%> of 1RM

sry i wish i knew the name of who posted it but i don't

not my work

[Defiant1]

the first study was based on trunk muscles, NOT chest muscles.... read the table *2* nothing sited.

obviously, if there is no significant difference in the STABILIZERS, then how is it going to benefit the prime movers?

2 study says "Greater EMG activity was detected with concentric vs. eccentric or isometric contractions." this in response to swiss vs. stable surface...

That is in the context of compared to the previously mentioned DIMINISHED output.

Look at the conclusion:

The diminished force output suggests that the overload stresses required for strength training necessitate the inclusion of resistance training on stable surfaces.

3..slower concentric motions is ONE way to increase muscular endurance.... and what did we say happens when we increase muscular endurance.?

mitochondria....and we know what THEY do...

Yes,

They don't increase strength.