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01-17-2008, 10:13 AM
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01-17-2008, 10:38 AM
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Is Anarchy pretty much like chaos? lawlessness?
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01-17-2008, 10:41 AM
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Limited government with some laissez faire capitalism and I might be interested
Crazy anarchy...not so much 
edit - yea I'm not for that stuff!
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01-17-2008, 10:43 AM
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Limited government with some laissez faire capitalism and I might be interested
Crazy anarchy...not so much |
F*ck capitalism and all capitalists they are **** and oppressors
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01-17-2008, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jetblackz1
Is Anarchy pretty much like chaos? lawlessness?
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Anarchy means without rulers not without order.
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01-17-2008, 10:44 AM
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Crazy anarchy...not so much |
Anarchy is the least radical political system out there. There's nothing crazy about freedom.
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01-17-2008, 10:45 AM
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Anarchy is the least radical political system out there. There's nothing crazy about freedom.
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We will never truly be free from those who have more power than us
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01-17-2008, 10:50 AM
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We will never truly be free from those who have more power than us
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What kind of system do you endorse that provides true freedom from one another and a system of total equality?
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01-17-2008, 10:51 AM
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Anarchy means without rulers not without order.
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Who enforces order? Surely the need for government is absolute?
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01-17-2008, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Rambo26
Who enforces order? Surely the need for government is absolute?
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No, people conduct themselves in civilized manor there would be no capitalism thus no social classes or need for law enforcement
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01-17-2008, 10:56 AM
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Who enforces order? Surely the need for government is absolute?
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The order is not 'enforced'. The order just is. Those who criticize anarchy often believe that once government is gone, people are just gonna run around and murder and rape each other.
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01-17-2008, 10:57 AM
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Anarchy has always failed in the past. What makes you think it would actually work when historically it's never gotten very far at all?
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01-17-2008, 11:08 AM
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Anarchy has always failed in the past. What makes you think it would actually work when historically it's never gotten very far at all?
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Can you give an example of when anarchy has failed in the past?
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01-17-2008, 11:10 AM
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Anarchy has always failed in the past. What makes you think it would actually work when historically it's never gotten very far at all?
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Wrong. I'm not an anarchist, although I have my sympathies, but you should read about the Paris Commune.
The only reason it "failed" was because it was smashed by the French military. But it worked out quite well when not under horrendous military oppression.
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01-17-2008, 11:10 AM
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Can you give an example of when anarchy has failed in the past?
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A better question might be, how can true anarchy ever exist?..
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01-17-2008, 11:11 AM
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Can you give an example of when anarchy has failed in the past?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide
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01-17-2008, 11:12 AM
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Wrong. I'm not an anarchist, although I have my sympathies, but you should read about the Paris Commune.
The only reason it "failed" was because it was smashed by the French military. But it worked out quite well when not under horrendous military oppression.
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correct I forgot about this. It "technically" was working BUT it was destined for failure either way. At least that's what I was taught about it in school.
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That was a result of European colonialism, corrupt central authority, etc.
Not anarchy.
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I might be pointing out the obvious, but that's a genocide, not anarchy.
And if you say that genocide had something to do with anarchy, I might just cry.
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01-17-2008, 11:14 AM
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A better question might be, how can true anarchy ever exist?..
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This statement ^ is exactly correct. True anarchy, in my opinion, can never exist. It goes back to Rousseau's arguement of the social contract: "Can we have total freedom without infringing on the freedoms of others?" I do not believe that anarchy could ever exist because we would infringe on the rights of others. It is too idealistic!
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01-17-2008, 11:16 AM
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The order is not 'enforced'. The order just is. Those who criticize anarchy often believe that once government is gone, people are just gonna run around and murder and rape each other.
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The majority or the people with the biggest guns will decide what is order is.
The minority would have no rights in such a system.
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Well two examples were given of where anarchist societies were destroyed by the ruling classes of their neighbors but no one has given an example of an anrachist society that simply failed on its own.
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01-17-2008, 11:18 AM
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Well two examples were given of where anarchist societies were destroyed by the ruling classes of their neighbors but no one has given an example of an anrachist society that simply failed on its own.
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You can't give an example for the something that is impossible.
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01-17-2008, 11:18 AM
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This statement ^ is exactly correct. True anarchy, in my opinion, can never exist. It goes back to Rousseau's arguement of the social contract: "Can we have total freedom without infringing on the freedoms of others?" I do not believe that anarchy could ever exist because we would infringe on the rights of others. It is too idealistic!
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Anarchy will eventually exist, in one of its forms. People will eventually wake up to the fact that government is just a big scam that gets small elite groups rich and allows them to control the masses.
And how can we have total freedom without infringing on the freedoms of others? Easily!
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01-17-2008, 11:19 AM
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The order is not 'enforced'. The order just is. Those who criticize anarchy often believe that once government is gone, people are just gonna run around and murder and rape each other.
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With strict gov enforcement its goes on now, thus making it a correct assumption that it would only increase without any govt/laws, etc.
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Isn't the basic idea of Anarchy a lot like Darwinism anyways? At some point it will end up being survival of the fittest
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01-17-2008, 11:21 AM
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Isn't the basic idea of Anarchy a lot like Darwinism anyways?
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No.
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01-17-2008, 11:22 AM
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I might be pointing out the obvious, but that's a genocide, not anarchy.
And if you say that genocide had something to do with anarchy, I might just cry.
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no need to cry, it's admittedly not the best example I could have found. Somalia might be a better one.
Throughout recorded history and across every single culture, a power vacuum results in one or more mean bastards doing whatever they can to fill the void on their own behalf. IMO, it's a bit idealistic to say that people will gravitate towards responsible personal behaviour and respect for the "common good". History consistently shows that individuals may choose to act that way, but social groups of people do not.
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And how can we have total freedom without infringing on the freedoms of others? Easily!
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Explain how this is easy. If this was easy then would we not have anarchy in the beginning and never reach any form of government?
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01-17-2008, 11:24 AM
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Maybe try N. Korea...
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