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WEEK FOURTEEN :: What Is The Best Deltoid Workout?

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Have you been meaning to wear that sleeveless shirt, but haven’t got the muscle for it yet? You need a good deltoid workout. Nothing looks cooler than 3D delts!

What is the best deltoid workout? Be descriptive (sets, reps, etc).

How long should an effective deltoid workout be?

Should they be trained with any other muscle groups in particular?

Bonus: What workout program can you do to increase strength and size of the deltoids if they are easily injured or damaged?

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What is the best deltoid workout? Be descriptive (sets, reps, etc).
The workout I use is actually from one I found on this site. It has 4 exercises to it and has varied through time. Shoulders is one of the forgotten muscle groups that lifters and beginners forget or don't care about. So here is one you can start off with.

I start off with military presses. I do 3 sets of 6-8 reps and change that to 8-10 reps the next week and then I go back to 6-8 reps. I have seen the most difference in strength from this exercise. This exercise also works the triceps

I then go to doing Front Raises. I do 4 sets of 4-8 reps. I also change this to 3 sets and 6-10 reps and go back. I get a nice pump from this and see much mass get put on from this exercise.

I then go to doing Bent-Over Lateral Raises. I do 3 sets of 6-10 reps for this execise. This is the only exercise that I don't change the set or reps. I have got plenty of strength from this exercise. I didn't have this exercise first off in my workout, but when I put it in, It was getting easier to lift the amount of weight that I was doing, and moved to heavier weights.

My last exercise for my delts is the Shoulder Press on a Machine. I do 2 sets of 8-10 reps and change this to 3 sets of 6-8 reps. I have put mass on my shoulders from this exercise as well. This works the triceps as well.

I change the last exercise out with Reverse flies on the 3rd week so I can work on my rear delts more. Also when you are doing your Traps workout, the Upright Row works your shoulders as well as biceps.

How long should an effective deltoid workout be?

My workout last from 45 minutes to an hour. Some people I meet say their's is 30 min. and others have it going to 2 hours. I have no idea what one is the best. I have accomplished a lot from my workout, so that might be a perfect time for a deltoid workout. The one guy that said he does his workout for 2 hours was a amatuer bodybuilder, so he had more experience and had a comp. on his way, so he was very dedicated to win and was working hard. So I would say that a effective deltoid workout should last 45 min.-1 hour and 30 min.

Should they be trained with any other muscle groups in particular?

As some of my workouts consisted of triceps, I chosed to do triceps on the same day. I would say yes, that they should be trained with other muscle group/s, but not much. Don't do Biceps, Triceps, and Deltoids all in one day. I would stick with doing one other muscle group with your deltoids. I do deltoids for just one day per week, but other do them for 2. I don't think that is a great idea, but said they were trying to work on their weakest muscle group and that was it.

So: Deltoids/Triceps once per week.


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What workout program can you do to increase strength and size of the deltoids if they are easily injured or damaged?

I had to look this up to find a answer. When you injured, you always have to rest the muscle and let it repair itself. Put some ice on it 20 minutes of the day. Also, go see a chiropractor and a certified physical therapist who knows what exercise you can do while injured. You can always do pulley system of 5-10 lbs or use dumbbells with the same amount of weight. I have no idea if this will increase the strength and size, but will keep the muscles in shape and no wasting muscle. Train smart and you won't be injured

So I'm done, hope you get enough info from this and have a great workout for the deltoids, so you can build boulder shoulders. G'day Mate.

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What is the best deltoid workout?

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Having wide, freakishly massive delts too cap off your shoulders can drastically alter the way your upper body appears. The most effective way to add some serious size to your deltoids is to overhead press some serious poundage.

Think about it. The heavier you can go on an overhead press, the bigger your delts will be! The combination of heavy overhead pressing with shaping deltoid exercises will shock your deltoids into some impressive growth!

The Heavy Duty Deltoid Workout

The Routine
  • Seated Dumbbell Overhead Press 4 sets of 4-8 reps
  • Seated Dumbbell Lateral Raise 4 sets of 8-12 reps
  • Bent-Over Lateral Raise 4 sets of 8-12 reps
  • Standing Cable Lateral Raise 4 sets of 8-12 reps

This is the best routine for bringing your deltoids up to par. The workout focuses on heavy overhead pressing, as the first movement is a seated dumbbell overhead press - which is by far one of the best deltoid movements.

The rep range on the overhead press is 4-8 reps, as more strength gains on these will translate into eventual size gains in the deltoid region. Remember to always lower the weight slowlym then explode back to the top. If you cannot control the dumbbells on the way down (eccentric), opt for a lighter pair of dumbbells.

After completing 4 sets of heavy seated dumbbell overhead presses, move onto 4 sets of seated dumbbell lateral raises. Unlike the 4 sets of seated dumbbell overhead presses, the rep range for this exercise is 8-12 reps.

For getting striated deltoids, I firmly believe in higher reps for deltoid shaping movements - hence the 8-12 rep range selection subsequently following the 4 sets of heavy overhead pressing. The deltoids respond very well to volumizing movements - especially when you squeeze out rep after rep, causing more blood to be transported to the muscle, which conclusively kick starts the growth process in the muscle.

After completion of 4 sets for seated dumbbell lateral raises, proceed to bent-over lateral raises - which target the rear delts. The rear delts are easily one of the most undertrained muscle group amongst bodybuilders. The rear delts really create a full, round, three-dimensional appearance of the shoulders, and therefore should not be neglected in your training!

The next and final exercise to complete the workout is standing cable lateral raises. This exercise is obviously done with cables, which keeps constant tension on the medial delts.

Heavy Duty Deltoid Training Tips
  • Refrain from dropping the weight on the negative portion of the movement. Remember to always control the weight on the negative portion of the movement, as doing so will allow for optimal muscle growth.
  • Train at a moderate rep speed. Training at a moderate rep speed on your shoulder exercises will prevent the possibillity of injuries. Most liftes use to fast of rep speed when training shoulders, which is basically asking for an injury.
  • Rest periods in between sets should be kept to 45-60 seconds between your shaping exericses (8-12 rep range exercises) and as much as time as you need between heavy seated dumbbell overhead presses. Doing so will preserve strength for your heavy sets.
  • Remember to pause at the peak of all isolation exercises (8-12 rep range exercises). Focusing on the contraction of the muscle will increase your mind to muscle connection, and ultimately allow for better deltoid growth!
  • Be sure you properly warm up before starting your workout. All injuries are bad, but a shoulder injury is the absolute worst. If you injure your shoulder, you won't be able to train chest or any upper bodyparts for that matter.
  • Remember to stay hydrated during your workout and throughout the course of the day, as even the slightest bit of dehydration can alter your training performance drastically.

How long should an effective deltoid workout be?

The deltoids are a relatively small muscle group; therefore, they don't require as much time between sets as a larger muscle group such as the legs. Decreased time between sets will allow for a shorter workout. Generally, the workout routine suggested should take anywhere in the neighborhood of 30-45 minutes.

Training the deltoids any longer will most likely result in overtraining. Remember that your delts are being trained as a secondary muscle during chest and back exercises, so there's no reason to spend an hour or longer training them.

Besides, nobody wants to live in the gym.

Should they be trained with any other muscle groups in particular?

If your delts are not up to par with the rest of your body, then they should be assigned their very own day of training. The suggested workout above will shock your delts into dramatic strength and size gains if your delts are lacking.

As mentioned previously, the delts get hit pretty hard when training the chest and back muscles. Therefore, training your delts separately on their very own workout day will prevent overtraining, and guarantee amazing gains in muscle growth!

Bonus: What workout program can you do to increase strength and size of the deltoids if they are easily injured or damaged?

If your deltoids are easily damaged or injured, then you should keep pressing movements to a minimum and focus on executing deltoid isolation exercises with lighter weight and higher reps.

The shoulders respond very well to higher reps as well, and using a lighter weight with excellent form will prevent any possibility of injury or damage. Strength and size gains can still be made with easily injured deltoids, no doubt about it.

Increasing your reps and decreasing your weight will allow for more recruitment in the deltoid area. When you reach 20, 30, 40 reps, they honestly all feel the same. The biggest drain in training this way is not physical, but rather all mental.

Heavy Duty Deltoid Workout For Easily Damaged or Injured Deltoids
  • Dumbbell Side Lateral Raise 3 sets of 20-40 reps
  • Cable Seated Rear Lateral Raise 3 sets of 20-40 reps
  • Front Cable Raise 3 sets of 20-40 reps
  • Reverse Flyes 3 sets of 20-40 reps

By focusing on higher reps and lighter weight, the liklihood of damaging easily injured shoulders is almost non existant!

Good luck with all of training goals!

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Strong, well developed deltoids capture the physique, giving that greek mythical god like appearance.

There are many many fancy exercise out there for deltoids; lying lateral raises, arnold presses and upright rows to name a few - but nothing beats the good old fashioned movements to pack on the mass. These are the movements used in my routine.

The deltoid complex is made up of three heads - the front (anterior) head, the side (lateral) head, and the rear (posterior) head.
Each exercise in the routine is geared towards stimulating a specific head - three heads = three exercises. Yes THREE EXERCISES - nothing more!!!



THE ROUTINE

Standing Barbell Military Press 3x 6-10reps
Dumbell Lateral Raise 3x 8-12 reps
Bent over lateral dumbell rasise 2x 8-12 reps

In general, work close to failure, soemtimes to failure, sometimes on rep short. You don't want to blast yourself all the time, but you don't want to take it easy either. You need to work hard remember. One rep short is still painful. (good pain, not OWW!!!)


Before doing this routine warm up with some light cardio fo 10 minutes, then do some arm circles, both arms at a time, forwards for 20 circles and backwards for 20. This will help loosen up the delts and the shoulder girdle itself, reducing risk of injury.

STANDING BARBELL MILITARY PRESS

This is the daddy of all shoulder exercises. After the above warm up has been completed, perform two warm up sets of 10 reps with a light weight - say half the working load. So if you press 50kg for your work sets, warm up with 20-25kg. Don't go anywhere near failure.

This exercise works the front delt primarily, as well as some side delt and very little or no rear delt.

FORM

1. Clean barbell to upper chest level (or set up from a power rack).
Assume a grip of slightly wider than shoulder width - say 2 inces each side

2. Make a slight bent in legs, arch back slightly and pull abdominals in - making your core tight.

3. Press bar up, in a contolled manner, no jerking of the legs or upper body, until arms are almost locked out above head. Look up at the bar as you press.

4. Lower the bar smoothly and deliberately, but not too slowly. feel the negative but don't take too long. Lower the bar to around chin level.

5. As you begin to struggle with the exercise later in the set, focus on absolute core tightness. The lumbar region of the spine is at risk if you get loose and wiggle about, straining to complete a rep. It is advisable, though not imperative to wear a lifting belt for this exercise.


DUMBELL LATERAL RAISE

After your military presses you shoulders will be nice and warm so just do a quick warm up set to 'test the water' with half your working weight.
This exercise works the side head primarily.

With dumbbell in each hand, assume the same posture as with the military press (arched back, tight abs, slight bend at the knees).

1. Hold the dumbbells with palms pretty much facing, in front of you belly button, arms bent to about 130 degrees, not straight.

2. Using a nice controlled and fluid motion raise the bells to either side (simultaneously) until upper arms are just about parallel to the floor - no higher, maybe a little lower. At the top of the movement the hands should be palms facing floor, and the wrists should be in line with the elbows - not above or below.

3. Lower back to starting point, feeling the negative, but not too slowly. Don't drop the weights down - feel it.

4. Try not to swing the torso to lift the weights. You see many pros do this, and I'm not gonna argue with those guys, but if you need me to tell you how to do this exercise in the first place you're probably not at the sort of level of devbelopment to benefit from 'cheatin' type techniques'.


BENT OVER DUMBELL LATERAL RAISES

To work the rear deltoids. This movement is similar to the lateral raise.

1. Bend over to the point that you torso is almost parllel to the floor, maybe 10 or 20 degrees up from parallel. Keep back arched.

2. Pick up dumbells (position them where you can get them once bent over)
using same grip as for laterals.

3. Raise the dumbells out to your sides, with arms bent to about the same angle as before. Rasie until upper arms are parallel to floor, wrists in line with elbows.
Don't throw the weight up. If you need to do this the weight is too heavy. You only need a light weight for this.

4. Lower back to starting position, controlled.

When in bent over position, I like to look forwards (basically up) which helps to keep me steady. A LITTLE body 'rocking' is acceptable, but not throwing the weights around (same applies for standing laterals).
Some people like to rest their forehead on a bench for stability. I don't. So long as you keep the core solid and back arched slightly, you should be fine.

FINISHING UP - STRETCHING

After the work has been completed you need to stretch out the muscles.
Spend five minutes stretching - it will save you hours of pain. (well it will reduce pain) Hold your stretches for 10-15 seconds each side, do each side 2 or 3 times.

A stretch I particularly like is to pull one arm across your body with your free arm pulling the streching arm from behind the elbow. I'm not very good at describing stretches, so here are some links.

http://www.exrx.net/Stretches/Deltoi.../SideDelt.html
http://www.exrx.net/Stretches/Deltoi...ior/Lying.html


LENGTH OF ROUTINE

Taking one minute between sets, and up to 5 minutes between exercises, this routine should take 45 minutes give or take (including warmup).
Actual hard work portion of the routine is only about half an hour at most.
It depends on the intensity you're looking for. If you want to make it more intense, decrease the length of time between sets and exercises.


SHOULD THEY BE TRAINED WITH ANY OTHER MUSCLES?

You can train the deltoids with arms, legs, abdominals, back, or chest. Many people train the with chest because the deltoids are used in many chest pressing movements, so as to kill two birds with one stone, as it were.

I prefer not to do this, as you have already fatigued the delts, you can not attack the exercises with the same vigour.

With arms is a good approach, as the military press uses triceps as a SYNERGIST (HELPER), and neither delts nor arms need so much gut wrenchinlgy hard work as the other big areas such as legs and back.

In a well balanced split routine you can easily fit shoulders into their own day, but if you want to do them with another bodypart, go for arms.
Remember that many back exercises use rear delts (rows, pullups, etc) and chest uses front and side delts so when constructing your split, allow time for recovery.

~~~~~BONUS~~~~~

If your shoulders are easily damaged, I bet it's your rotator cuff that's to blamed. If you're using excellent form for everything and allowing proper rest and recovery time and your shoulder's playing up, I would hedge a bet on the rotator cuff.

The rotator cuff is a complex of four small muscles - subscapularis, supraspinatus, infraspinatus, and teres minor. They act together to keep the humerous tighly housed inside the shoulder socket, and to avoid the damaging effect of bone grinding on bone.

You can train these muscles just like any other, and the extra strength will help avoid recurring injuries to the shoulder.

Here is a link to some rotator cuff exercises:

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20030315/1315ph.html

remember, rotator cuff exercises require VERY LOW WEIGHTS - big Ronnie Coleman reportedly does external rotations with 10lbs max!


If your problem is not to do with the rotator cuff, but is actually an injury to the deltoid complex itself you must FOLLOW YOU DOCTOR'S ADVICE ONLY. Preferably a sports therapist who knows youe history. I Am not about to go about dishing advice on how to cure an injury, only how to better prepare yourself for prevention of injury.


Well, that just about wraps it up for this topic. I hope you found it helpful.
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Your deltoids are a very important muscle which is usually highly overlooked, and, as a result, the lifter doesn't achieve a complete manly, powerful muscular look. If your delts are lagging, you should assign them their own day. I would suggest always having the delts on their own day because it allows you to put all your effort and concentration to build that all important mind muscle connection. If you need to train shoulders with a different muscle group, i would suggest triceps and traps. They are already worked out in most shoulder exercises:

Best Shoulder Workout That Works for Me (Do a warmup set of 15 reps before starting each exercise and lower weight slowly use a weight that you can have proper form except in the last 2 reps where u m ight need some help)

Mass Gaining Workout (45 min)
Barbell Military Press:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/exer...Military+Press
10 8 6
Shoulder Press:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/exer...Dumbbell+Press
10 8 8
Dumbell Raise:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/exer...Dumbbell+Raise
12 10 10
Upright Barbell Row:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/exer...ht+Barbell+Row
10 8 6

Intense Short Mass Workout (35 min)
Barbel Military Press (Lifting 2 seconds Lowering 4 seconds)
10 8 6 4
Shoulder Press (Lifting 2 seconds Lowering 4 seconds)
10 8 6 6
Dumbel Fly (Lifting 2 seconds Lowering 4 seconds)
8 6

Strength Workout (60 min):
Barbel Military Press
8 6 4 2
Shoulder Press
6 4 2
Arnold Press
6 4 4 2
Upright Barbell Row
6 4 2

Optimim Set and Rep Ranges:
The best rep ranges differ from person to person. However, for me, and most everyone i know, i believe the optimum amount of sets is 12. this is becuase this is usually when your muscle glycogen stores are depleted, and you reached muscle failure. The rep ranges, on the other hand, sh ould be between 6-12. Below won't give you a pump and work your muscle enough for mass. Above and you will be working out for shape and definition instead of mass. Shoulders should be hit with maximum weight with compound movements and free weights.

Also, rep ranges differ according to the aim of the person, if the person wants strength, he will utillize more compound exercises, and less rep ranges, with more sets. This will help make sure the muscle is worked to its fullest. IF the person wants mass, he will use a good number of compound exercises, with 1 or 2 isolation. He will use high intensity less volume than the strength gainer. The mass gainer will also stress on the lowering movement to maximize muscle stimulation.

How Long to Train
An effective Deltoid workout should be no more than 45 min, with no more than 14 sets. This particular workout is 12 sets long, but you can add a set here or there if you feel that your up to the challenge. I would suggest another set on the first or last exercise not because they're the first or last but because they are compound exercises which you will not be very fatigued if you add another set.

Remember to stretch before and after to get more blood to your muscles and reduce soreness and increase flexibility.

When you stop making gains or reach a plateau, play around with the grip, rep range, and change around the exercises. For example, change the shoulder press with an arnold shoulder press. Its still the same basic movement, but it has a differnce that will shock your body into gaining more muscle.

What Muscle Groups Should I Train Shoulders With?
I suggest training shoulders with the traps and triceps. Its not a good idea to train 2 large muscles together such as the shoulders and legs. By training triceps and traps, you are utilizing the same muscles which have already been hit in the previous exercises. Triceps are hit in military press and shoulder press while the traps are hit in the upright barbell row and lightly in all the other exerces. The upright barbell row actually hits the traps just as hard as it hits the shoulders if not harder. The triceps and traps are already nice and pumped up and you will need only a few sets to finish them off. I would suggest 4 sets of shrugs, 3 sets of skull crushers, 3 sets of tricep raises, and 2 sets of rope pulldowns to finish things off. This reduces the amount of time you will need in the gym and you will have worked 3 muscle groups in 1.5 hours at most.

Preventing and Recovering From Injury:
ALWAYS use PROPER FORM in shoulder exercises to prevent injury. I CANT STRESS THIS ENOUGH! Lots of important nerves run through the shoulder, and it is the basis for all upper body exercises. If your shoulders are injured, forget about gaining muscle anywhere in your upperbody.

Strength and Size for Weak Shoulder People
For those with weak shoulders:

1. Stay off exercises that hurt your bones or nerves as opposed to your muscle. Muscle pain is good, bone or nerve pain is bad. You should be able to tell the difference.
2. Utilize compound movements and perform 3 sets only of isolation exercises at most. Compound movements allow other muscles to support your shoulders and will give you better size and strength gains.
3. Check with a physician or sports specialist for the exercises you should and should not be doing, and if you should be lifting at all! This is important. Show this advice to your physician to see if you should also be doing this! Im no specialist, and your physician knows more than me in joint bone weakness areas.
4. Perform sets with reps no less than 8 to prevent too much strain on the joints.
5. Utilize intensity techniques such as supersetting and drop sets instead of increasing weight only.
6. Use less volume workouts with less sets
7. Train shoulders 2 times a week with half the amount of sets each time to allow more recovery time and minimize chances of injury.
8. Eat enough protein and calcium for your muscles and nerves.
9. Sleep enough to allow recovery and muscle and bone repair.

The deltoids are an important muscle, which give a man his masculine look, and will help you get bigger along with the chest. If you want the godlike, powerful muscular look, you better get to work on those shoulders!

Hope you got some good useful information out of this, and on your next shoulder workout, those delts better be sore!

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This page contains all the links i researched to write this article:
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What Is The Best Deltoid Workout?

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First of all, I want to say one very important thing. There is no “Best” deltoid workout for every person. That’s not to say there aren’t any exercises that are clearly better than others, but I’m just saying that you have to come up with what you think is the best deltoid program for yourself. Like I usually say, if there ever was a best deltoid program for anyone it would be posted everywhere and everyone would just do that workout, but seeing as how everyone is different, I can only suggest some good exercises for your deltoids. The best deltoid exercise is one that you like and one that gave you good gains on your deltoids both in size and strength or whatever your goal is. That’s why copying a workout in a magazine that promises massive gains might not work for you, because the exercises in there you might not like and therefore wont perform well. Or your body just might not respond well to certain exercises which is why it is so important for you to make your own deltoid program because you’re the best judge on which exercise work for you. One other quick thing I want to say about deltoids for the beginners is that it is divided into three parts which have to all be worked for your deltoids to develop properly. They are basically the front, side and back heads, the fancy names are anterior, lateral and posterior.

Also I would like to recommend you to watch this great two part video by Milos. This video helped and inspired me to get larger delts, especially rear delts which are usually the underdeveloped head of the shoulder. Here is a like to his video: http://thefitshow.com/week9/milos_sh...oulders1lg.htm or you can find it at The Fit Show.


What is the best deltoid workout? Be descriptive (sets, reps, etc).
Again I want to stress that there is no best or perfect deltoid program for everyone. Here I’m just going to suggest a deltoid program that I think is well rounded but its going to be you who has to tweak it so it suits you the best. I also want to list a few techniques that you can use to help build your deltoids effectively. You can use some of these techniques to make your own program, and if you want the best results you should highly consider using these techniques. Remember to warm up your rotator cuffs before performing your exercises!

1. Drop sets
- To do drop sets let’s use an example. Let’s say that your target rep range is 12 for a certain deltoid exercise. To perform drop sets you pick a weight that you cannot complete twelve times. So once you do this you start your set and once you cant do anymore reps you drop the current weight and pick a lower weight. So if you stopped at 6 because you couldn’t do anymore you pick a lower weight and immediately start doing more reps to reach 12. So, if you do four more reps then drop the weight again and keep doing that until you get to your target rep range. However you should only lower the weight for a maximum of 3-4 times. The basic concept is that you are stressing your muscles more than if you just used a lower weight for twelve reps, therefore your muscles will grow back bigger and stronger.

2. Burns
- This is another easy technique to perform and is quite simple. Basically once you are done your set you pick a much lower weight and do as many faster reps as possible until you can hardly do another rep. So if you were using 40 pounds on shoulder press, after the set you would pick say 15 pounds and do as many fast reps as possible to further fatigue your muscle. Like drop sets, the concept is to further fatigue your muscle so it grows bigger and stronger.

3. Rest pause training
- This is another kind of technique that is also very good at increasing strength and mass. To do rest pause training you start with a target rep range. So if you were doing an exercise and you wanted to do 10 reps, you would pick a weight that you could not normally perform that many reps with. So after you do this and start your reps and you stop at 6 reps, you would drop the weight and rest for about 5-10 seconds. Then you would pick up the weight and keep going until you got to your target rep range. Like drop sets you should only do about 3-4 rest pauses in your set. Like the rest of the techniques it stresses your muscles more so when it recovers it is stronger and bigger. One note is that you can combine rest pause training with drop sets to fatigue your deltoids even further. However use this sparingly because you might overtrain if your not careful, especially if your just starting.
- I tend to like drop sets better than rest pause because it puts constant stress on my muscles which isn’t true for rest pause training.

4. Super sets and Tri-sets
- Some people like to do supersets for different heads of the deltoid. So to do this you would pick one head of the deltoid, do an exercise for that head and immediately do an exercise for another head of the deltoid. A lot of people have said that they have had fantastic gains by supersetting with shoulders. Apart from great gains, the only other advantage of this is saving time and constantly keeping your shoulders warm.
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So now that you have seen a list of good techniques to put into your program I will show you a program that I feel is well rounded. I also want to say that I see a lot of programs that are overkill for your deltoids doing something like five or six exercises for two, three even four reps each. You don’t need to do that many exercises for your deltoids or you will just train them so hard that they won’t recovery and grow. Also for muscular growth the rep range is anywhere from 6-12 reps. It differs for everyone so you’re the person who will have to choose which they like best. Six reps is leaning more towards strength and twelve reps is leaning more towards endurance but not quite.

Deltoid program:

Rear delt raises from low pulley (see video part two): 3 sets 8-12 reps, start with weaker arm first.
- This is a great exercise which works all three heads of the shoulder but especially the rear delts
- I chose this exercise first because almost all bodybuilders have underdeveloped rear delts.
Upright Rows: 3 sets 6-12 reps
- Use rest pause technique (rest for 5-10 seconds and try to squeeze in two more reps). This exercise requires a lot of weight and will put lots of mass on your side delts.
Different grips can be used (narrow, regular and wide)

Arnold shoulder press: 4 sets x 6-12 reps
- Drop set on the last two sets (You don’t have to if you don’t feel comfortable, drop setting is just something extra to fatigue your muscle more) – Only lower the weight to a maximum of 3-4 times. Also on the second set, go very slowly on the concentric (up) movement.

- The reason why there is four sets is because this is a very good compound exercise that has been tried and proven to add mass to your deltoids. You also want to do 4 or 5 sets depending on how much time you have. It focuses more on your anterior deltoids (Front head) but it also uses some of the lateral head.
- Note a lot of people like to go 12 reps, 10 reps, 8 reps and 6 reps for this exercise, it may be something you might want to try.
- If this puts too much stress on your shoulders, try shoulder press only going down to an 90 degree angle.

Perform Tri-sets for the following exercises: (dumbbells can also be replaced by Cables)
Bent over dumbbell lateral raises: 3 sets x 6-12 reps

- This is a simple exercise which is just one variation of this kind of exercise. If your worrying about how your posterior shoulders wont develop as well because your doing less sets don’t worry, your posterior deltoids are worked in with other muscles like when performing back exercises.

Lateral raises: 3 sets x 6-12 reps

- For this exercise you want to grip the dumbbells and point your thumbs down so that they are pointing diagonally to the floor but not so that it is uncomfortable. The reason for this is because if you use the grip that most people use which is thumbs pointing horizontal it uses some of the anterior deltoid, but right now you want to concentrate on the lateral deltoid.

Front plate raises 3 sets x 6- 12 reps
- Try this exercise standing behind a wall to prevent you from cheating.


Rotator cuff exercise
External rotator on bench: 3 sets x 8-12 reps
- You should highly think about adding a rotator cuff exercise if you have time to do it. You might even be able to super set it with another part of the shoulder also because this exercise really isn’t for size of the shoulder but for strengthening it. By doing this you will help prevent against shoulder injury since the rotator cuff is the most easily torn muscle in the shoulder. A lot of people do not do any rotator cuff exercises and as a result run the risk of injuring it in other activities.
- One last thing about the rotator cuff exercise is that you don’t want to go all out so your struggling on the last rep, or at least that’s how I do it. I mainly use this to strengthen my rotator cuff to prevent injury, so I don’t need tons of weight. Plus it won’t add much if any size to your shoulders.
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How long should an effective deltoid workout be?
An effective deltoid workout should be anywhere from twenty five to forty five minutes. The reason being is that you want to leave time to train other body parts. Like most people I’m assuming that they don’t leave each body part to be trained separately because most people don’t have time to do that. You don’t want to spend a full hour training your deltoids or else you run the risk of overtraining them and doing pointless extra reps that wont make your deltoids grow any faster. If your finding that your taking a little too long to complete your deltoid workout then maybe your taking too long of a rest between sets. You should take about 30 seconds to 1 minute of rest which is actually how long you should take if you want your muscles to grow. This rest time actually helps in hypertrophy, which is building muscle. If you need more rest the max amount of time you should take is 1 minute and thirty seconds.


Should they be trained with any other muscle groups in particular?
Most people and I included like to train their deltoids with the traps. However there isn’t a rule saying that if you don’t train them with your traps then your making a big mistake. If you don’t like training them with your traps then you can train them with something else if it works for you. One reason I like training traps with deltoids is because the exercises for deltoids don’t take up one hour which is how long I usually work out for. Usually I have about 20 minutes left so I stick in traps with my deltoids which takes about 20 minutes to do because there are I only do two exercises for them. Another reason is because the posterior deltoid is involved in the trap exercises like shrugs. Since many programs emphasize more of the anterior and lateral deltoids, sticking in traps with the deltoids acts like more exercises to work the posterior deltoid so that it too is given a good workout, which is true for my program. This ensures that the whole deltoid will develop properly. It also gives the posterior head more of a workload so therefore it becomes more fatigued and will result in more strength and size. If you think about it, if I had four exercises for chest and I did two on one day and two days later I did the other two exercises, would my chest grow that much or become stronger? It wouldn’t be as effective if I just stacked the four exercises on one day to give my chest a better workout. If you like training traps with your back, another good way is to train shoulders with abs and or forearms.



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- If your shoulders are injured easily you might want to stay away from shoulder press with dumbbells, barbells and the smith machine because those are the exercises that have a higher risk of injuring your shoulders rather than raises. One risk of doing presses is that if your letting the weight fall on your sides because your arms fail like a lot of people do, it puts a lot of pressure on your shoulders and they could tear. Think about it, if you held your arm straight up and I tied a 40 pound dumbbell to your hand and I just let your hand fall, your arm would come crashing down tearing your shoulder in the process.
- Use a spotter if you still decide to use presses. So if you feel your shoulder hurting or if your arms are about to fail on you and bring your arms down and tear your muscle, then you can get your spotter to take off the weight for you.
- If you still want to do shoulder press then like bench press, make sure your elbows do not dip below your shoulders or it will put a lot of pressure on your shoulders.
- Another great pressing movement for shoulders that are injured easily is the Arnold press. Since your elbows are more in line with your shoulders putting less pressure on your deltoids.
- Also like I said above, if your shoulders are injured easily you might want to try doing a rotator cuff exercise which is mainly for strengthening it. If your rotator cuff is stronger, it will be able to take a bigger workload without being damaged as easily.
- You might also not want to use the techniques I listed above such as drop sets and rest pause training if your shoulders are injured easily. The obvious reason is that you will be using very heavy weight because that’s the point of drop sets and rest pause training, to fatigue your muscles even further. So therefore it’s not a good idea to use them because I can guarantee if your shoulders are injured easily and you use these techniques, they will get injured again.
- If your planning to do presses, don’t use a machine because with a machine, you have to lower it back down and if you can’t support it anymore, its gonna come crashing down putting a lot of pressure on your shoulders (You can’t just let go of the handles unlike dumbbells). Use dumbbells so if your arms are about to fail you can just drop them on the floor. Also don’t use a barbell because you can’t drop it like dumbbells, if you want to use barbells use a smith machine because you can just put it on the hinges if you can’t support the weight anymore.
- Lastly I would increase the rep range from 8-12 reps because if your planning to use weight for 6 reps, it might put too much pressure on your shoulders. Also if you just came out of an injury, your shoulders will be weak because when your muscle recovers it has a lot of scar tissue which is weak and not very flexible. Therefore you might want to use lighter weight until you feel comfortable with increasing the poundage.

Here’s a program that will help you build your shoulders if they are injured easily. This is a very safe program with minimal risk to injury. (note: resistance bands can also be used)

Anterior deltoid
Front plate raise: 3 Sets x 8-12 reps

Lateral deltoid
Lateral Raise: 3 Sets x 8-12 reps
Remember keep your thumbs pointing down

Posterior deltoid
Lying rear deltoid raise: 3 Sets x 8-12 reps

Or, Wide grip seated rows toward upper chest: 3 Sets x 8-12 reps

Rotator cuff exercise (Injury prevention exercise)
External rotation on bench: 3 sets x 15+ reps
- Since this is for injury prevention, you don’t want to go all out on this exercise or else you will probably just end up injuring yourself.

Here are some exercises which strengthen your rotator cuffs:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian1.htm
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