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    Question Is there a good supplement i can take to help rebuild cartilage?

    I've had a problem with my left shoulder for quite some time now and i started asking around and they tell me my cartilage is wearing out too quickly in my shoulder.
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    Glucosamine is pretty popular. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/glucos.html
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    I hope you arent doing upright rows.

    MSM works.
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    I too have this problem. I have clavicle osteolysis in the right shoulder. Cartilage within the joint is all but gone (between clavicle and humerous IIRC?). Started taking Glucosamine & Chondroitin, together with MSM, last week. Too early to tell, should take about 4 weeks to start seeing any results.

    Going in for a particular type of therapy in two weeks, not sure what it is called. They'll extract some blood, spin it for 15 minutes to separate the platelets, mix in some other goodies and inject that into the joint to try spark up cartilage healing.
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    That's tough man, I feel for ya, I have had some major knee problems from destroyed cartilage. Find the best lifts for you that do not irrate the problem; MSM/glucosamin/chondrotin has worked well, so has fish oil. USP Labs Cissus RX is also a good option
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    Originally Posted by will brink
    Jello Anyone?

    As strange as it might seem, the main ingredient (gelatin) in good old Jello might be just what the doctor ordered for painful joints. Gelatin has been market world wide for many years as a food and as a supplement. Gelatin is made from animal collagen. In all animals-including man-collagen is an essential structural protein that forms an important part of bones, tendons, and connective tissues. It is a tough insoluble protein that is essential for keeping the many cells and tissues of the body together. Gelatin contains an exceptionally high content of two amino acids which play an important part in collagen formation, namely proline and glycine.

    In fact, it takes 43 grams of dried egg whites or 35 grams of dried non fat milk or 89 grams of lean beef to equal the amount of proline in just 10 grams of hydrolyzed gelatin. Though the body can form these two amino acids on its own, it has been suggested that under certain conditions the rate of synthesis may be insufficient to provide essential body requirements and degradation can exceed synthetic processes (i.e. there is a steady loss of body collagen).

    The intake of hydrolyzed gelatin appears to be an alternative route to getting chondrocytes (cartilage producing cells) and osteoblasts (bone forming cells) of the body sufficient amounts of these important amino acids for making structural proteins. Although chondrocytes are critical for collagen formation, their number is limited and their ability to form this much needed protein is influenced by heredity, age, physical activity (too little or too much), injury, and availability of nutrients.

    Although bone metabolism is quite complex and not fully understood, there is a growing number of studies showing the intake of just ten grams per day of hydrolyzed gelatin is effective in greatly reducing pain, improving mobility and overall bone/cartilage health. Several randomized, double-blinded, crossover trials have shown improvements in symptoms related to joint pain (Adem et. al. Therapiewoche, 1991). The people at Knox (the Jello people) have made a product specifically for bone health and joints called NutraJoint. It contains hydrolyzed gelatin, calcium , and vitamin C.

    Calcium is of obvious importance to bone health and vitamin C is an essential and limiting nutrient for connective tissue formation. NutraJoint is cheap, has no side effects, and tastes good. I recommend one packet mixed with OJ with breakfast for people suffering from joint pain.
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    i have read many studies that have stated that it is impossible to "regrow" cartilage.

    Gabe Mirkin, M.D.


    The ends of bones are soft, so they must be covered with a thick white gristle called cartilage. Once damaged, cartilage can never heal. An affected person spends the rest of his life losing cartilage until the cartilage is completely gone and the knee hurts 24 hours a day. The only effective treatment at that time is to replace the entire knee. However, the artificial knee can become dislodged from the bones and may need to be replaced after several years. The area will be so full of scar tissue that a second surgery is far more difficult than the first. If you have damaged cartilage in your knee, you should protect that knee for the rest of your life. Running, fast walking and jumping cause further damage, while pedaling and swimming usually do not. When the knee hurts all the time, your doctor will check to see how much cartilage is left. If it's gone, you probably need a knee replacement.
    glucosamine, condroitin, msm have all been shown to help "improve" the situation.

    also it has been shown that "Devil's claw" is as effective as Vioxx was at treating arthritis and back pain.

    just something to look into.
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    Originally Posted by pu12en12g
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    PT, here is a product that i found to be interesting, and it fits with your study....

    http://www.iherb.com/jointvibrance.html

    Joint Vibrance with Arthred, Vibrant Health, 12 oz. (342 g)
    • 21 Day Supply

    Glucosamine, Chondroitin, MSM, Botanicals and More to Maintain Healthy Joint Function. Helps Build and Strengthen Cartilage and Connective Tissues.*


    Serving Size: One scoop (16.3 grams)
    Servings Per Container: 21
    Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
    Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) 100 mg 167%
    Calcium (elemental from lactate) 150 mg 15%
    Magnesium (elemental from lactate) 50 mg 12.5%
    Zinc (elemental from citrate) 10 mg 67%
    Manganese (elemental from citrate) 5 mg 250%
    Horsetail silica (elemental from horsetail grass) 3 mg *
    Boron (elemental from glycinate) 1 mg *
    Arthred (patented hydrolized bovine collagen) 10,000 mg *
    Providing:
    Alanine 871 mg
    Cysteine 34 mg
    Histidine 167 mg
    Isoleucine 146 mg
    Methionine 64 mg
    Serine 296 mg
    Valine 249 mg
    Arginine 811 mg
    Glutamic acid 995 mg
    Hydroxylysine 86 mg
    Leucine 292 mg
    Phenylalanine 176 mg
    Threonine 180 mg
    Aspartic acid 575 mg
    Glycine 2,231 mg
    Hydroxyproline 1,025 mg
    Lysine 335 mg
    Proline 1,411 mg
    Tyrosine 57 mg
    Glucosamine HCL 1,500 mg *
    MSM (methyl sulfonyl methane, 99.9% pure) 1,000 mg *
    Chondroitin sulfate (bovine CSA) 500 mg *
    Glucoronic acid complex 500 mg *
    Cinnamon bark powder 500 mg *
    Standardized grape seed extract (vitis vinifera; 97+% polyphenols; 90+% proanthocyanidins) 25 mg *
    Curcuminoid 95+ (standard ext. of Curcuma longa, 95+% cucuminoids) 200 mg *
    Boswellin (standard ext. of Boswellia serrata, 65% boswellic acids) 150 mg *
    Yucca powder (yucca glauca and elata) 75 mg *
    Devils claw powder (Harpagophytum procumbens) 50 mg *
    Alfalfa leaf powder (Medicago sativa) 25 mg *
    Licorice root powder (Glycyrrhiza glabra) 25 mg *
    Stevia leaf extract (Stevia rebaudiana) 5 mg *
    * Daily Value not established.
    was looking into it for myself after i found out that i tore my acetabular labrum in my hip.
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    Originally Posted by nni
    i have read many studies that have stated that it is impossible to "regrow" cartilage.



    glucosamine, condroitin, msm have all been shown to help "improve" the situation.

    also it has been shown that "Devil's claw" is as effective as Vioxx was at treating arthritis and back pain.

    just something to look into.
    that's always been my finding as well with reading about cartilage - no growing new, just maintaining the old, as adults.

    As far at the guy recommending Cissus, I don't believe it's a cartilage supplement - but let's see what USPLabs has to say about his stuff.
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    Originally Posted by xenithon
    I too have this problem. I have clavicle osteolysis in the right shoulder. Cartilage within the joint is all but gone (between clavicle and humerous IIRC?). Started taking Glucosamine & Chondroitin, together with MSM, last week. Too early to tell, should take about 4 weeks to start seeing any results.
    Yeah, I was going to mention both points you make (Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM and it taking several weeks to really take effect....it worked for my elbow tendonitis fine, took about 10 or 11 weeks of supplementing with those and laying off the workouts - terrible timing - getting "tennis elbow" and stop working out during the holiday season - I haven't stepped on the scale in weeks !!! LOL
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    Originally Posted by Fuelish
    Yeah, I was going to mention both points you make (Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM and it taking several weeks to really take effect....it worked for my elbow tendonitis fine, took about 10 or 11 weeks of supplementing with those and laying off the workouts - terrible timing - getting "tennis elbow" and stop working out during the holiday season - I haven't stepped on the scale in weeks !!! LOL
    g/c/msm is more of a cartilage type sup, tendonitis being more of a tendon problem. something like cissus rx might help out even more.
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    Pregnenolone is also worth looking into... mainly because it's dirt cheap and the research on it dates back to the 1950's

    Also Vitamin C and DHEA

    Obviously, you would want to run all of this by your doctor first.
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    Originally Posted by dece870717
    I've had a problem with my left shoulder for quite some time now
    Most importantly... when / why did this first start ?
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    Glucosamine,and Chondroitin are the best IMO.
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    Originally Posted by pu12en12g
    Most importantly... when / why did this first start ?
    Started I'd say about 6 months ago, why? I have no idea, my right shoulder seems to be completly fine so i dont get it. The pain has lessened though and doesnt bug me as much as it used to when I first started having the problem.
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    Originally Posted by dece870717
    Started I'd say about 6 months ago, why? I have no idea, my right shoulder seems to be completly fine so i dont get it. The pain has lessened though and doesnt bug me as much as it used to when I first started having the problem.
    go to a doc. my hip hurt for a while, i ignored it, turned out i have a tear.
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    Originally Posted by nni View Post
    i have read many studies that have stated that it is impossible to "regrow" cartilage.



    glucosamine, condroitin, msm have all been shown to help "improve" the situation.

    also it has been shown that "Devil's claw" is as effective as Vioxx was at treating arthritis and back pain.

    just something to look into.
    Does that Mirkin guy tell it like it is or is he a negative dick? Reading his stuff only leaves me feeling hopeless about joint pain relief.
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