Bill Kazmier and The Thomas Inch Dumbell

pipes · 10-19-2002, 10:02 PM

The thomas inch dumbell weighed 173 lbs. i read. And it also said Bill is the only one to lift it over his head, and only five others have got it up to their knees. Whats so hard about it if its only 173 pounds?

p0w3rlift3r · 10-19-2002, 10:27 PM

i don't think thats correct but it has a huuuyge handle diameter....very hard to hold onto when its so thick

MiloMan · 10-19-2002, 11:21 PM

Yeah, probably that beefy handle (2.5 inches!), seeing as how Paul Anderson did about twice that for a one arm overhead press (and 300 for 10 reps), but I believe that was with a regular 1-in bar.

"You call that a dumbbell? That's a dumbbell!"

placebo · 10-20-2002, 04:47 AM

didn't mark henry recently lift it to chest level?

healthy n_fit · 10-20-2002, 07:49 AM

And how big or small is this dumbell? It looks pretty small from pictures(at least compared to big powerlifters!!

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Spexes · 10-20-2002, 09:49 AM

http://www.toadkiss.com/history.html
Theres the specs, and if anyone wants one they can buy it lol... http://www.toadkiss.com/

Deciever · 10-20-2002, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Spexes
http://www.toadkiss.com/history.html
Theres the specs, and if anyone wants one they can buy it lol... http://www.toadkiss.com/

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MiloMan · 10-20-2002, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by Deciever
check out these chains! http://www.sorinex.com/images/whatsnew4/06.jpg

Big links! Stolen from a Navy yard or something?

healthy n_fit · 10-20-2002, 03:25 PM

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Big links! Stolen from a Navy yard or something?

HOLY FUKING ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Those are BIG ASS CHAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

matt_T · 10-20-2002, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by placebo
didn't mark henry recently lift it to chest level?

mark henry cleaned and pressed it.

here's what MILO has to say about it (sept 2002, volume10, number 2, page 75): ". . . Mark Henry, a hugely powerful man, wowed everyone by cleaning a replica of the Inch Dumbell with one hand and then push pressing it overhead, becoming the first person known to have accomplished this. Richard Sorin was sitting right behind me as we watched Mark just rip this dumbell up to his shoulder, stagger back a little as he caught it, and then just punch it overhead, and that was certainly very impressive, bit it was what he did next that really made us gasp: Mark reached down and picked up the dumbbell with his left hand this time, casually walked over to the head table, and gently deposited the thoroughly-vanquished dumbell on it."

i truly believe if Mark Henry would really apply himself he would be one of the greatest powerlifters/strongmen of all time. JMO.

healthy n_fit · 10-20-2002, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by matt_T
mark henry cleaned and pressed it.

here's what MILO has to say about it (sept 2002, volume10, number 2, page 75): ". . . Mark Henry, a hugely powerful man, wowed everyone by cleaning a replica of the Inch Dumbell with one hand and then push pressing it overhead, becoming the first person known to have accomplished this. Richard Sorin was sitting right behind me as we watched Mark just rip this dumbell up to his shoulder, stagger back a little as he caught it, and then just punch it overhead, and that was certainly very impressive, bit it was what he did next that really made us gasp: Mark reached down and picked up the dumbbell with his left hand this time, casually walked over to the head table, and gently deposited the thoroughly-vanquished dumbell on it."

i truly believe if Mark Henry would really apply himself he would be one of the greatest powerlifters/strongmen of all time. JMO.

Matt, thanks! That was a good read! Mark Henry is truely one large, powerful man!

NextBestThing · 10-20-2002, 05:30 PM

The picture says it all
http://www.cyberpump.com/gallery/album36/aab

stooge · 10-20-2002, 10:28 PM

im sorry,but i don't see the big deal.i do thick handled lifts.and to deadlift 172 pounds with a 2 1/2 inch handle is tuff cause it takes tuff hands.but after deadlifting,the rest is cleaning and pressing power.your grip doesn't matter after that.lifting the inch dumbell over head would be great.but mark henry weighs like 420 !!!!and bill kasmier was not much lighter.i weigh like 185.so what kasmier and henry did would be like me picking up 75 pounds overhead.it doesn't sound so impressive then.i would love to see a small guy do it.that would be awsome.

p0w3rlift3r · 10-20-2002, 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by stooge
im sorry,but i don't see the big deal.i do thick handled lifts.and to deadlift 172 pounds with a 2 1/2 inch handle is tuff cause it takes tuff hands.but after deadlifting,the rest is cleaning and pressing power.your grip doesn't matter after that.lifting the inch dumbell over head would be great.but mark henry weighs like 420 !!!!and bill kasmier was not much lighter.i weigh like 185.so what kasmier and henry did would be like me picking up 75 pounds overhead.it doesn't sound so impressive then.i would love to see a small guy do it.that would be awsome.

has anyone ever cared about the 140 guy benching 420 lbs?
Just becuase he benches 3 times his bodywieght don't mean that he is stronger then anthony clark who benches 800 lbs. @ 400

wieght coefficient is a bunch of crap you can either do it or you can't do you know what would happen if you tried to gain wieght just to lift as much as mark henry (400lbs.) you would probably end up bieng injured pretty quickly and not bieng able to do anything.....mark henry don't wieght 400 lbs. just becuase he wieghs that much he wieghs that much becuase he WANTS to wiegh that much, nothing ever stopped anyone of you 180 lbs. (small guys) from gaining any wieght try this stooge, gain 220 lbs. then try and lift the thomas inch dumbell....make a fool of yourself, its not giong to happen.......my opnion on coefficiants

John Henry · 10-21-2002, 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by p0w3rlift3r
has anyone ever cared about the 140 guy benching 420 lbs?
Just becuase he benches 3 times his bodywieght don't mean that he is stronger then anthony clark who benches 800 lbs. @ 400

wieght coefficient is a bunch of crap you can either do it or you can't do you know what would happen if you tried to gain wieght just to lift as much as mark henry (400lbs.) you would probably end up bieng injured pretty quickly and not bieng able to do anything.....mark henry don't wieght 400 lbs. just becuase he wieghs that much he wieghs that much becuase he WANTS to wiegh that much, nothing ever stopped anyone of you 180 lbs. (small guys) from gaining any wieght try this stooge, gain 220 lbs. then try and lift the thomas inch dumbell....make a fool of yourself, its not giong to happen.......my opnion on coefficiants

That's why Lennex Lewis is a household name and nobody can remember the fly wieght champ.

MiloMan · 10-21-2002, 08:31 AM

Andrei Chemerkin spoke to this issue:

His present weight is around 180 kg (397 lbs) and he is the heaviest man who ever won Olympic Games. Andrei himself never minds his weight: "The heavier is the body, the easier to conquer the heavier weights".

http://olympia.fortunecity.com/nurmi/393/chemerke.html

stooge · 10-21-2002, 10:25 AM

why would i want to get fat so i can lift more?and i know from experience if you gain weigh you can lift more.i gained around 20 pounds and all my lifts went up quite a bit.and i think you have less chance of getting injured if you weigh more.i just don't see the big deal with these huge guys.sure they are strong,very strong.but its alot cooler to see a small guy do something unbelieveable.for instance... you ever hear of captains of crush grippers?they are very hard handgrippers.they make a trainer,#1 #2 #3 #4.and just to give you an idea,mark henry can't do the #3 he has tried but hasn't closed it.and around 80 guys in the world in like the last 12 or 13 years have closed the #3 they get certified.its a big deal in the grip world.and some of the guys are way smaller than mark henry.most actually.so he can't call himself the worlds strongest man if he can't do something that alot of guys have done that are smaller than him.and i know this cause i asked the guy who owns the company that makes the grippers. www.ironmind.com

MiloMan · 10-21-2002, 11:15 AM

Life has lots of other competitive parallels related to the absolute "best of show" being what people care most about.

-Top Fuel Dragsters appeal more to the majority the crowd than do the much less pricey bracket racers. They don't care nearly as much about elapsed time per dollar, just who has the lowest ET, regardless of cost. They mostly don't care that someone turned a 10 sec quarter on an investment of only $10,000, they care about the guy that turned a 5 sec quarter on a $1,000,000 investment. Twice as quick for 100 times the cost? They like that? Yep. That's the way it is.

I could list endless variations on this theme (i.e. "The heavyweights are always top of the fight card, the main event, and the lean, quick flyweights are just an appetizer to whet the crowd's appetite."), but I don't think I have to.

You might be a small guy like me (small for powerlifting, that is, I'm 6'0"@195). I know that I'd never be the media focus of any open meet (I've never had the drive to train hard enough to have a hope of anything resembling a respectable performance, and thus haven't competed), but that's the way it is. The majority of people care about the biggest bench, the biggest squat, the biggest deadlift, the biggest push press, the biggest whateverad infinitum, ad nauseaum.

Those grippers are cool (hell, I can't do #3), but until they make them a sanctioned competitive event, that's all they'll be. If they did so, then it'd be no time before they made beefier and beefier ones that only the Clarks and Kazmaiers could close, and that's for sure. Nobody would care as much about who could do #3, because there would be a #4, #5...and the big fat guys would be the only ones who could close them.

The majority of people are always going to care more, in the long run, about the absolute strongest, fastest, toughest, etc, not the ratio of lift and bodyweight.

That's the way it is.

SHWStrongarm · 10-21-2002, 12:47 PM

Great post, good points.

And the Capt. of Crush Grippers don't have a direct relation to functional grip strength, like Mark Henry may not be able to close the #3 but he did lift the dumbbell with a 2.5" handle, and won all the carrying events in the Arnold Classic. Now you can't say he has a bad grip. Guys who can close the #3 and #4 are the guys who train with the grippers.

stooge · 10-21-2002, 09:42 PM

but i still want to see the little guy get some fame!!!!!!!! oh well.one thing i do know is that grip strength has nothing to do with your size.thats why i love it.i actually don't agree with... "Nobody would care as much about who could do #3, because there would be a #4, #5...and the big fat guys would be the only ones who could close them"... cause i have a set of these grippers.and so do some of my friends.and any time we see a big tuff looking guy we have him try the grippers.and i have had over 100 guys try mine.and my friend takes his everywhere.(its something we are fasintated with)and the big guys don't do any better.we had guys who had arms over 20 inches not even close the #1 and we had a skinny 17 year old kid close the #1 for reps easily.he has forearms like toothpicks.so i think grip strength is the one thing that size doesn't matter.look at an old skinny farmer.150 pounds with hands like an ape.and those 350 pound strong men aren't gonna crush his hand.but i totally agree with you all on how cool it is to see them huge guys lift insane amounts of weight.there has to be some freak out there who weighs like 180 and bench presses like 600 or 700.its just not me.

p0w3rlift3r · 10-21-2002, 10:29 PM

just spilling the facts on the table, no one talks about the guys who lift 3 times there body wieght they talk about 800 lbs. bench presses, you not giong to gain in your lifts just by gaining wieght even in the bench it takes lots of work no matter what, and i bet that bieng heavier causes alot of injurys and health problems, add 50 lbs. of wieght in 4 months and then try to do a pr squat...its not giong to happen, and you may even hurt yourself trying to pull deadlifts with that extra wieght up top, i'm just tired of all the damn coefficient excuses no one gives a rats ass...

stooge · 10-21-2002, 11:53 PM

i have an old powerlifting usa magazine.its from 1992.it has an add in it for a video called baddest bench in america.it says it has anthony clark,ken lain and others.and it says it has john inzer bench pressing a world record 748 pounds at 165 pounds of bodyweight.is that some kind of misprint??????if not, then thats the most impressive lift i have ever heard of.and that was 10 years ago.anyone know about that?
and about size...
just being heavier in general is not healthy.a huge guy just isn't going to live as long.especially if he makes himself heavier.i mean some people are naturally big.and some eat like crazy to get big.but no matter how strong you are,if you weigh like 400 pounds you will be doing good if you live past your 50s.so being huge does have a price.plus clothes are alot cheaper if you are normal size.

MiloMan · 10-22-2002, 04:54 AM

There will always be a small sector of the fan-base that really goes for the small guys.

There was an extremely nice guy around here named Viet Tran who set the State (Nebraska) 3-lift record with 1155 (420B/280S/455DL - I think that the record still stands), 7 or 8 years ago - in the 114 pound class! He might have been striving for a 3-lift total that was 10x his body weight and with a lot of hard work, he got there.

To keep the same multiple, Tony Clark would have to 3-lift total nearly 2 tons. He does far less than that, but huge men are an oddity, so they draw the attention of smaller people, and in the end most of them care about the total, not the multiple.

By the way, I believe Viet Tran was some sort of Computer Science major at UNL, because he seemed to disappear after a while (probably to his new career).

stooge · 10-22-2002, 10:26 AM

114? thats light.most women wish they were that light.i still think lighter is better.but thats my opinion.lighter is quicker,more endurance,more flexible.it would be hard to be a good fighter if you were huge.people always are intimidated by the big guys.but actually the smaller guy always has the advantage to me in a fight.as long as you don't try to wrestle the big guy.i think the main reason guys try to get huge is to intimidate other guys.but to a fighter that means nothing.
but hey,i love to watch the strongest man competitions.so im not trying to insult anyone.
does anyone know about this john inzer i asked about??????

Antaeus · 10-22-2002, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by stooge

does anyone know about this john inzer i asked about??????

he deadlifted 800 lbs at 165 as well. I don't think the bench number is accurate, the best lightweight bench I've ever heard of is George Halbert's 683 @ 198, and 733 @ 220.

texassports · 09-08-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stooge

i have an old powerlifting usa magazine.its from 1992.it has an add in it for a video called baddest bench in america.it says it has anthony clark,ken lain and others.and it says it has john inzer bench pressing a world record 748 pounds at 165 pounds of bodyweight.is that some kind of misprint?.

I was one of the spotters at that competition. John Inzer performed a Dead Lift to set a new world record. For anyone needing the powerlifting appearal or anything like that I suggest visiting www.inzernet.com

HRK (herb) · 09-08-2007, 08:52 PM

Just to jump in here, The thomas inch dumbells are seriously hard to lift. That's the point. If ya wanna find out how hard, wrap cloth and duct tape around a DB handle until it about 6 inches around.
Have fun....

interesting fact about Thomas Inch is that he only weighed about 170lbs when he commision the dumbbells to be made.
He could easily clean and press them with either hand and would pay any man that could lift and press it.