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    American Psycho: Did Patrick Bateman kill those people?

    Some people say that he killed the people. Some people say he didn't.

    What do you guys think and why?
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    Have you read the book?
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    I think Craig Titus did it.
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    Originally Posted by LatsMakeTheMan
    I think Craig Titus did it.
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    No, I have not read the book. What does the book say?
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    Originally Posted by dexterium
    Some people say that he killed the people. Some people say he didn't.

    What do you guys think and why?
    There are a couple of threads along this line where people gave some really good answers. You should check 'em out. I personally think in the movie he did not. In the book he did.
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    why would someone say in the movie he did not? didnt he trhow the axe at that chick and hack that Paul what ever his name was in the movie? wtf
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    Originally Posted by MenTaLPiRacY
    why would someone say in the movie he did not? didnt he trhow the axe at that chick and hack that Paul what ever his name was in the movie? wtf
    I don't have the time and inclination to get into this right now but if you pay close attention to the last scene where the guy tell him he just saw Paul in London you'll know that it was all fantasy confirmed by his secretary finding his notebook where he doodled all the things he fantasized about.

    Yeah,he's really walking through NYC blowing up cars,shooting security guards and having helicopters circle office buildings.
    WTF?
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    In the movie it would seem that there's no way he could have gotten away with the murders, such as the bodies at paul allens and the final killing spree. He certainly killed/raped/tortured people but alot of the events depicted in the movie can be seen as an indication of his warped mind.

    It's deliberately vague so draw your own conclusions.
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    Originally Posted by ProBuck
    I don't have the time and inclination to get into this right now but if you pay close attention to the last scene where the guy tell him he just saw Paul in London you'll know that it was all fantasy confirmed by his secretary finding his notebook where he doodled all the things he fantasized about.

    Yeah,he's really walking through NYC blowing up cars,shooting security guards and having helicopters circle office buildings.
    WTF?
    My take of the last scene was that Corprate yuppies who meet eachother and always think some one is some one else all the time. didnt someone at one point in the movie call him by a name other than his own? you know how corprate yuppies are they dont care about anyone but themselves and dont remember anybody unless their important. Maybe the guy that the guy met in london 10 days ago wasnt Paul maybe he was some one else and Bateman was like wtf i got an alibye.. or maybe the guy that the guy met in london was really paul but bateman thought the guy whom he murderd was Paul.. alot to thinka bout there.
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    Originally Posted by MenTaLPiRacY
    My take of the last scene was that Corprate yuppies who meet eachother and always think some one is some one else all the time. didnt someone at one point in the movie call him by a name other than his own? you know how corprate yuppies are they dont care about anyone but themselves and dont remember anybody unless their important. Maybe the guy that the guy met in london 10 days ago wasnt Paul maybe he was some one else and Bateman was like wtf i got an alibye.. or maybe the guy that the guy met in london was really paul but bateman thought the guy whom he murderd was Paul.. alot to thinka bout there.
    True. So I guess we'll just forget about that realistic rampage PB went on. You know how cops sometimes just circle a building for no reason.
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    The movie is ambiguous about whether he killed or not but interpretation leans towards him NOT committing those murders, and all the murderous events including detective kimball being on his tail were a figment of his imagination. However, in the book it seems that he did commit the killings but he embelishes them in his mind and adds an element of theatrics to them. Either way the book and the movie are very good, but the book is VERY graphic - make sure you have the stomach for it.
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    I don't know why people love to mentally masturbate over these things. He didn't kill all those people. There is no, "draw your own conclusions". The point of the story is, since he thinks of these things, is what he presents to the world all that matters despite who he really is in the inside?

    A good point of reference to think about to realize that none of those murders occured is the situation with the body bag. When he was dragging it across the lobby, there was a streak of blood that was trailing it. Don't you think if it really happened, somebody like the nightwatchman would have went, "Gee, what is this?". I swear some people just like to make matters more complicated for the sake of discussing it.

    And by the way, American Psycho is one of my favorite films. I think it's the movie Fight Club wishes it was.

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    Originally Posted by HippieKiller
    I don't know why people love to mentally masturbate over these things. He didn't kill all those people. There is no, "draw your own conclusions". The point of the story is, since he thinks of these things, is what he presents to the world all that matters despite who he really is in the inside?

    A good point of reference to think about to realize that none of those murders occured is the situation with the body bag. When he was dragging it across the lobby, there was a streak of blood that was trailing it. Don't you think if it really happened, somebody like the nightwatchman would have went, "Gee, what is this?". I swear some people just like to make matters more complicated for the sake of discussing it.

    And by the way, American Psycho is one of my favorite films. I think it's the movie Fight Club wishes it was.

    With that said, Fight Club sucks so hardcore.


    If you read the book there are alot of murders/crimes that happen outside the time frame of the film. Such as Bateman getting to know women by raping the maid when he was younger. I agree that the paul allen killings could not have taken place, or the last shootout, there would have been immediate consequences. Much of it does seem like a dream though. Especially when Detective kimble asks him if he like Hughey louis and the news!

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    The part where he was running through the apartment building chasing that girl with a chainsaw could'nt have happened in real life. All the apartments he passed, someone would have heard it. It was all in his head.
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    Read the book. It's the only book I've read out of pleasure twice.
    I somehow think that's not a good thing... but I digress.
    The book makes the movie seem like an episode of Barney the purple dinosaur. He does far worse things in the book. Far worse.
    His ex-girlfriend from college- wow what he does to her in the book, a kid at the zoo, more prostitutes.

    In the book he sure as hell does everything with no ambiguity as to whether it is real or fantasy. Which is why the movie disappointed me. That and how unrealistic it was.
    In the movie, some of the murders do get ridiculous to believe he wasn't caught. Combine that with his appointment book, the Paul dude being seen in London and it would seem it was all his fantasy world. Of course there's the fact that all those guys keep calling each other by the wrong name, so maybe someone who thought they saw that Paul guy saw someone else. Even accounting for that, I think the movie suggests he didnt' kill all those people. Read the book where there's no suggesting.
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    In the book he kills a toddler in public, kills a gay man and his dog, buys a puppy just to torture it at his appartment, drinks blood, eats brains etc

    Bret Easton Ellis's books are all pretty much the same. Everyone is wealthy, takes valium, cocaine etc, hates themselves, their lives yet are vain and love themselves.

    It gets boring after a while, reading about designer clothes, cars, mansions, taking drugs, having sex...
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    Whoa, i think some of you guys missed a big point of this movie...

    He did kill those people, thats a fact. The part at the end when the lawyer claims he had lunch with Paul Allen proves the point of the movie that people did not give a **** about anyone else. Hence why people were constantly confusing names and whatnot. The lawyer probably believed he had lunch with Allen, but he was way wrong. Allen was long dead before that. The lawyer even messed up Patrick Bateman's name.
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    Originally Posted by .aeterna
    Whoa, i think some of you guys missed a big point of this movie...

    He did kill those people, thats a fact. The part at the end when the lawyer claims he had lunch with Paul Allen proves the point of the movie that people did not give a **** about anyone else. Hence why people were constantly confusing names and whatnot. The lawyer probably believed he had lunch with Allen, but he was way wrong. Allen was long dead before that. The lawyer even messed up Patrick Bateman's name.
    YOU missed the movie.
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    I'm pretty sure he killed everyone in both the movie and the book, but don't ask me why. Almost the entire book (save the million dinner meetings) would have to be a delusion if he hadn't killed anybody.
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    u brahs think too much
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    This should read spoilers cause I did not see it!! Thanks for nothing bro
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    Originally Posted by HippieKiller
    YOU missed the movie.
    Wow, so according to you this was JUST a movie about some insane guy.


    You have to be dumb as **** not to catch all the satirical/social commentary that goes on in this film.

    That deal about the guard not noticing the blood is an exagerration of that fact that people in the 80s tended not to care about others and what they did.

    ****in, Paul Allen was killed and nobody at Pierce&pierce seemed to even give a ****.


    watch it again, god.
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    Originally Posted by .aeterna
    That deal about the guard not noticing the blood is an exagerration of that fact that people in the 80s tended not to care about others and what they did.
    Yes, I'm pretty sure people in the 80's would see a trail of blood in the middle of an expensive apartment lobby and just go, "Oh, it's just V-8. F@ck it!".
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    Originally Posted by HippieKiller
    Yes, I'm pretty sure people in the 80's would see a trail of blood in the middle of an expensive apartment lobby and just go, "Oh, it's just V-8. F@ck it!".
    "I'll bet you're the kind of guy that would fcuk a person in the ass and not even have the goddam common courtesy to give him a reach-around." - Gunnery Sergeant Hartman
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    The book, and the movie that is based upon it, are a social commentary on 1980s society. Easton-Ellis was commentating on the danger of the self-centered society that was being created. Whether or not Patrick Bateman tortured and killed all those people is completely and utterly irrelevant.

    If he didn't, then the commentary that Ellis is making would suggest that the demoralization of society, where people snort cocaine, take valium and hire prostitutes daily is dangerous as it creates a God complex within people who believe that they can do anything and are above the law; all that matters is how they appear to the outside world. Bateman stating "... but inside doesn't matter." is evidence for this.

    If he did commit the murders, then the same society that allows people to snort cocaine, take valium and hire prostitutes is so shallow that it doesn't notice when people from it go missing. The detective's conversation with Bateman, "the ground just swallows these people up whole", points to people noticing this but no-one caring enough to go out and investigate properly. This is exemplified by the fact that many, many people refer to each other by the wrong name. Even Bateman's lawyer, who claims to have had lunch with Allen, calls Bateman by several different names in their conversation at Harry's Bar.

    Finally, Bateman's final confession in the movie "that even now, my confession means nothing" or the last line of the book, "and written on the sign are the words 'This Is Not An Exit'." mean that your own personal interpretation is irrelevant to the larger issue, that that kind of shallow society cannot survive in the long run without serious changes; ultimately, the death toll will ring for yuppies everywhere.


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    Originally Posted by .aeterna
    You have to be dumb as **** not to catch all the satirical/social commentary that goes on in this film.
    Gosh...that sounds like work not entertainment. If I want to think about my entertainment I'd watch Arrested Development.
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    Originally Posted by .aeterna
    Whoa, i think some of you guys missed a big point of this movie...

    He did kill those people, thats a fact. The part at the end when the lawyer claims he had lunch with Paul Allen proves the point of the movie that people did not give a **** about anyone else. Hence why people were constantly confusing names and whatnot. The lawyer probably believed he had lunch with Allen, but he was way wrong. Allen was long dead before that. The lawyer even messed up Patrick Bateman's name.
    This guy is on the right page.

    The murders were REAL, but not the way we saw them. We saw them through patricks eyes. We saw his imagination at work.

    Didn't you notice the ONLY time Patrick isn't on the screen is when we see his secretary find his notebook? We are seeing the movie through his eyes the entire time.

    The whole movie is about the 80's power hungry yuppies and how everyone was the same, no individuality. No one cared about anyone else. This point was overdone in some instances to show just how much people were into themselves.

    eg.. the chainsaw in the hall... That probably never existed, he killed the girls in a normal way, but that's how he played it out in his head. The fact that no one came out into the hall, was him realizing how apathetic people were, and how no one cared enough to even look out.

    People are SO alike, no one can keep names straight, thats a huge part of the movie. Not even his own lawyer knows his name. Another funny tell all was that they were all V.P's, this is all just to show that there is no individuality.

    So yes the murders were real, just not as we saw them. Even writer Bret Ellis has said in numerous interviews that the murders were real. Our view is just different then how they really happened.
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    ahh a lot of conflicting posts; i thought he killed them. what about the police officer constantly questioning him? though he wasnt questioned for murder....
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