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    Prohormones Vs. Mild Steroids

    I am very curious and need only serious and experienced opinions from actual users how does PHs such as Superdrol, Halodrol, PheraPlex, Furazadrol and all the others compare against mild anabolics such as Anavar, Stanozolol, Primobolan adn Turanabol in terms of effectiveness, side effects ,results. i am particularly interest about HPTA suppression and shutdown.
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    The four "PH" you mentioned are really steroids. They are designer steroids versus a "pharmaceudical" steroid.


    With that said.. it is very subjective upon the steroid being compared. Anavar's shutdown may not be much unless taken in high doses(still midler than other steroids) and it is illegal. Superdrol, on the other hand, will shut you down like crazy(according to what I have read, no personal exp.) while it is legal to use.

    To generalize the designers in terms of Most to least..

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    i know they are designer steroids, but does it make sense to use prohormones{designer steroids} when they are less effective and not much safer than the real gear{i mean only mild anabolics - Primo,Winny,Turanabol,Anavar}. I know that in the States roids use and distribution is federally prosecuted but here in Eastern Europe roids are pretty cheap and widely used{10ml/100mg vial of Priomobolan costs 65$, 100tabs 10mg Stanozolol costs 45$,Anavar is pretty expensive though}
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    Any cycle of gear is not recommended w/o a testosterone base. Besides, check in the steroid forum for your info reguarding the gear.
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    Youre telling me that you know theyre designer steroids yet you still call them prohormones. Theyre NOT prohormones.

    AAS are safer than designers? Were did I say that? Sure the methyl on a superdrol isnt good for you BUT, you can protect your liver almost completely.

    Tren, i hear, has some ****ty sides. Alot of toehr AAS are ****ty on your body.

    BUT basically, it seems like you are trying to find someone to say that gear is better for you than designers and that taking it is a better idea.

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    Guys,Guys,it seems that you don't understand my inquiry!!!! I don't need explanations what is a prohormone and what is designer steroid and what is real gear?My questions was very simple - i will state it again - HOW DOES MODERN PROHORMONES AND DESIGNER STEROIDS THAT ARE SOLD AS DIETARY SUPPLEMENT COMPARE IN TERMS OF EFFECTIVENESS AND VISIBLE CHANGES WITH MILD ANABOLICS SUCH AS PRIMO,ANAVAR, STANOZOLOL, TURANABOL, WHAT IS THE REAL REASON TO CHOOSE PROHORMONE{DESIGNER STEROID} AGAINS MILD ANABOLIC{PRIMO,WINNY,TURANABOL,ANAVAR}?IS IT BECAUSE OF THE ILLEGAL STATUS OF ROIDS IN THE USA?
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    Halodrol is a prohormone
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    No one to this moment has given me adequate answer to the question.
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    Originally Posted by peyton22 View Post
    Guys,Guys,it seems that you don't understand my inquiry!!!! I don't need explanations what is a prohormone and what is designer steroid and what is real gear?My questions was very simple - i will state it again - HOW DOES MODERN PROHORMONES AND DESIGNER STEROIDS THAT ARE SOLD AS DIETARY SUPPLEMENT COMPARE IN TERMS OF EFFECTIVENESS AND VISIBLE CHANGES WITH MILD ANABOLICS SUCH AS PRIMO,ANAVAR, STANOZOLOL, TURANABOL, WHAT IS THE REAL REASON TO CHOOSE PROHORMONE{DESIGNER STEROID} AGAINS MILD ANABOLIC{PRIMO,WINNY,TURANABOL,ANAVAR}?IS IT BECAUSE OF THE ILLEGAL STATUS OF ROIDS IN THE USA?
    if i could choose from a designer steroid and real gear, the real gear would win hands down. the only reason we mess with dangerous designer steroids is because the safer alternative is illegal.
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    That was the real answer i was hoping to hear! I was just thinking why you americans choose those designer roids and prohormones instead of the real gear and my only explanation was the illegal status of roids in the US.
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    I have a friend here in Bulgaria who decided to compare mild Anabolic {Stanozolol oral 30mg a days for 6 weeks alone} with Superdrol 4weeks 10/20/20/20 and Stanozolol beats it in terms of visible changes and less if any test suppression.
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    Originally Posted by peyton22 View Post
    I have a friend here in Bulgaria who decided to compare mild Anabolic {Stanozolol oral 30mg a days for 6 weeks alone} with Superdrol 4weeks 10/20/20/20 and Stanozolol beats it in terms of visible changes and less if any test suppression.
    Correct. Winny is used as a drying compound. Helps rid the body of excess water and bloat.
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    I'll try then.

    I don't know much about real roids so I can't really give you a good comparison but I know that PH's work. If you are a hard-core roid user you're past the point where PH's would probably do anything. But if you want something to boost you, say for two cycles or so a year I think PH's are great.

    My buddy did a cycle of PHs and got jacked. He did Phera Plex clone and trenadrol. It was insane. So yes they work and as long as you do it right the casual user will do fine with them. If you don't do PCT right and stuff you'll lose all your gains anyway so that part is really important.
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    Originally Posted by peyton22 View Post
    That was the real answer i was hoping to hear!
    Why did you ask the question if you weren't really looking for an answer that didn't match your preconceived notion?

    Also I believe the point above what you kept saying prohormones and meaning designer steroids, but the two are not the same.
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    While i am still leaving in Eastern Europe i won't be tempted to use Designers or prohormones,here roids are pretty cheap and easily obtainable, though i have decided never to use any type of AAS and prohormones cause there are pretty effective natural test boosters and AI products that really works and help achieve similar visible changes.
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    and if you get caught with them its no problem, get caught with illegal/banned ones and thats it.
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    i have a hard time believing that winny is weaker than superdrol.
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    Originally Posted by peyton22 View Post
    That was the real answer i was hoping to hear! I was just thinking why you americans choose those designer roids and prohormones instead of the real gear and my only explanation was the illegal status of roids in the US.
    That's why I do it. I think if regular illegal AS and AAS were legal, then everyone would be doing them in the US. I mean if I could order vials of Test E and D-bol off BB.com then who in there right mind would F with pro-hormones/designer roids?

    That's like saying "I'm gonna go buy this coke off of some crack head in the ghetto who cut it with Battery Acid, Instead of going to columbia and getting it from Pablo."
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    Bros from US, it's 2 sided coin.you have very very cheap supplements and illegal AAS, we in Eastern Europe have pretty expensive supplements and customs problems and widely distribution and usage of anabolics.
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    Originally Posted by peyton22 View Post
    Guys,Guys,it seems that you don't understand my inquiry!!!! I don't need explanations what is a prohormone and what is designer steroid and what is real gear?My questions was very simple - i will state it again - HOW DOES MODERN PROHORMONES AND DESIGNER STEROIDS THAT ARE SOLD AS DIETARY SUPPLEMENT COMPARE IN TERMS OF EFFECTIVENESS AND VISIBLE CHANGES WITH MILD ANABOLICS SUCH AS PRIMO,ANAVAR, STANOZOLOL, TURANABOL, WHAT IS THE REAL REASON TO CHOOSE PROHORMONE{DESIGNER STEROID} AGAINS MILD ANABOLIC{PRIMO,WINNY,TURANABOL,ANAVAR}?IS IT BECAUSE OF THE ILLEGAL STATUS OF ROIDS IN THE USA?
    You go the route of OTC PH's/Designers because it can be VERY difficult to find a good source in the states. Depending on where you live it could be next to impossible. I know guys that went away to college in big cities that have no problem finding legit gear. But in places where I live...Rochester, NY... It's REALLY hard to find quality product. So then you have to decide wether or not you want to order your gear online and risk having it seized by customs and losing all your money, or even worse... getting busted.

    Real AAS are hands down better in gains and safety, but it's much easier obtaining, and "legal" to use designers.

    For those prices... Don't waste your time with PH's.
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    Originally Posted by peyton22 View Post
    Bros from US, it's 2 sided coin.you have very very cheap supplements and illegal AAS, we in Eastern Europe have pretty expensive supplements and customs problems and widely distribution and usage of anabolics.
    thats right but there are some places in the uk were sups exactly the same as usa *the roids here in europe are cheaper then the us
    the custom problems are problems only when you order outside the european union.
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    The simple fact is this:
    Most of these so-called designer steroids were discovered in the 1950's. Their pros:cons ratios were not as good as what was developed and marketed as steroids since then. Since now they are being rediscovered, they're the same thing. Still not as good pros:cons. It's all suppressive. Heck, anavar has even been shown suppressive in doses as small as 2.5mg/day, despite what the fools say that read write-ups and believe all of them.

    If it's easy to get and you're not worried about the consequences, go for the real deal of course! You'll get better gains for the sides you encounter.
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    Originally Posted by icetrauma View Post
    Correct. Winny is used as a drying compound. Helps rid the body of excess water and bloat.
    Explain that. Winny has no diuretic properties. It is simply non-aromatizing.

    Original poster: see what I mean? People say stuff and have no idea what they're talking about. I'll bet next someone is going to say winny dries out your joints.
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    Originally Posted by DoubleWide View Post
    Also I believe the point above what you kept saying prohormones and meaning designer steroids, but the two are not the same.
    Let's not act stupid. "Prohormones" is still the commonly used term for them for everyone except those who spend too much time on the message boards.
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    so resuming... AAS are better in gains and safty compared to those "legal" ones ? jeez im kinda confused
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    Originally Posted by Noize View Post
    so resuming... AAS are better in gains and safty compared to those "legal" ones ? jeez im kinda confused
    For the most part, yes. But either way you're stepping to the dark side. What are you confused about? Treat them all like AAS since they all do the same to the body, and then evaluate the pros and cons.

    Funny thing is everyone knows that an oral only cycle is less effective. And the legal "prohormones" are only orals. So that should be your answer.
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    IMO there is no reason to pick PHs over anabolic steroids. The fact that they're readily available and legal gives people the presumption that they are less harmful on the body which is false, PHs are much more taxing on the liver.

    If you are ready to start messing with your hormones I'd recommend doing a lot of research about steroids and proper post-cycle therapy (PCT). There's a wealth of information over on the steroids forum but please do your part by reading and using the search feature before posting any questions.

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    Originally Posted by N4cer View Post
    Explain that. Winny has no diuretic properties. It is simply non-aromatizing.

    Original poster: see what I mean? People say stuff and have no idea what they're talking about. I'll bet next someone is going to say winny dries out your joints.
    "The specificity of Winny however, lies in how it counteracts estrogenic side-effects such as gyno and excess water retention. First of all it's a 5-alpha reduced substrate. 5-alpha reduction breaks the double bond between positions 4 and 5, which is required for conversion to estrogen via aromatase, the primary enzyme for the manufacture of estrogen in males. Because some of these compounds nonetheless show some affinity for aromatase they may have some use in blocking estrogen from other steroids they are stacked with. Wether or not Winny acts in this way is not entirely sure. What has been a popular point of discussion with stanozolol is its suggested anti-progestagenic effects. The theory goes that Winny can bind and compete for a position at the progesterone receptor much like Clomid of Nolvadex would at the estrogen receptor, thereby inhibiting progestagenic effects. Now, progesterone can aggravate estrogenic side-effects by agonizing estrogen and it does play a role in gyno. " Big Cat article. Here is the link

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catwinstrol.htm

    I mentioned nothing about it being a diuretec.
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    Originally Posted by kubakuba View Post
    IMO there is no reason to pick PHs over anabolic steroids. The fact that they're readily available and legal gives people the presumption that they are less harmful on the body which is false, PHs are much more taxing on the liver.

    If you are ready to start messing with your hormones I'd recommend doing a lot of research about steroids and proper post-cycle therapy (PCT). There's a wealth of information over on the steroids forum but please do your part by reading and using the search feature before posting any questions.

    ** You WILL be sticking a needle in your ass (or elsewhere) if you do plan on using steroids, do NOT think you can get away with running an oral-only cycle.
    The fact remains some people have jobs that preclude such illegal activity, whether others are able to justify it or not.
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    Originally Posted by TacticalNuke View Post
    The fact remains some people have jobs that preclude such illegal activity, whether others are able to justify it or not.
    I'm not certain but you may not even get away with using PHs if you're being tested for anabolic steroids. No one should risk using hormones of any kind if they are in such a situation.
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