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Old 12-29-2005, 01:58 AM   #1
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Lightbulb Question for a first time supplement user

i've been putting off lifting for years and i've finally gotten the balls and dedication to start up again. i'm 23, 180lbs and 6'1". Not real skinny, but definitely could use some muscle mass. I read about a protein shake that is very good for me and i've been taking that about once a day. Usually right after I work out. It consists of Classic Grow MRP (1.5scoops) 8oz of green tea, 1 tablespoon of Greens + (http:www.greensplus.com) and 1tbs of flaxseed. I've been eating very healthy as of late also, something I use to do a horrible job at in the past. Now i've been reading a lot about creatine mono and CEE mainly from bb.com and have A LOT of information. I like to know exactly what goes into my body before I put it in... My question is... I've been hearing some very good stuff about Omega Thunder CEE capsules and am wondering if I start out on those, will that be overkill? Should I start out on something a little less "intense"? Should I start out on a 100% CEE powder instead? I've never really taken creatine before and I want to do this right fromt the start. I've read that some people will take 8pills of Thunder (from PT's review of thunder) on their days of workout and regular CEE powder on their off days. Just starting out, would this be a good idea? Thanks in advance for any responses.
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Old 12-29-2005, 02:00 AM   #2
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if you really want to do things right from the start... do not order any additional supps... come back in 6 months after you have had a solid foundation of 6 months worth of supp-free training..


If you are still on the lworkout bandwagon.. then there are some excellent stuff to try
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Old 12-29-2005, 02:05 AM   #3
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if you really want to do things right from the start... do not order any additional supps... come back in 6 months after you have had a solid foundation of 6 months worth of supp-free training..


If you are still on the lworkout bandwagon.. then there are some excellent stuff to try
What he said, keep the bare min. right now. Multi Vitamin and Protein are your friends. In 6 months if you're still lifting...time to get some CEE.
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:24 AM   #4
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A few ideas that MIGHT help:

Nutrition / Diet / Macros:

- Total daily calorie intake. This is what will make / break you

- It is NOT efficient to try and lose fat AND gain muscle at the same time

- BMR and nutrition calculator

- Total Daily Protein Intake (for best results I recommend AROUND 2g per lb of bodyweight)

- Foods (Good vs. Bad)

- Unified Theory of Nutrition - by Will Brink






Bulking:

When bulking (a calorie surplus to gain lean muscle mass at a optimal rate), I aim for:

- 1lb lean beef per day
- 1 Gallon Skim Milk per day
- Around 2000 cals per day from oats
- Lots of protein shakes (up to 8 per day)
- Chicken
- Turkey
- Beef / Sloppy Joes (manwich)
- Hamburger Helper
- Pasta
- Tuna
- Potatoes
- Rice
- Veggies (Fresh if possible)

(Note: If you can afford it you can do things like steaks etc.. etc..)

- If there was ONE SINGLE KEY to the gains I made in the 1 1/2 years when I went from 175-225 (my best.. leanest gains), it is OATS / STEEL CUT OATS ! The emphasis here is that oats are a INEXPENSIVE, HEALTHY, yet VERY CALORIE DENSE FOOD. I saw lean gains like I had never seen before. But NO THEY DON'T TASTE GOOD. YOU HAVE TO FORCE FEED THEM. This gets old fast. I added about 1 cup of oats to each protein shake.

- Hungry Hungry Hormones

- Massive Eating

- Stretch Mark Mass


What are some good indications that I'm gaining muscle... ?
Mirror / Appearance
Measurements
Strength
Bodyweight




Cutting:

When cutting (a calorie deficit to lose fat at a optimal rate):

- I eat many of the same foods above, but with a lower TOTAL DAILY CALORIE INTAKE

- I put a emphasis on PRE- and POST-workout nutrition, and the end result is that most of my calories are eaten before my afternoon workout. I have found this to be ideal (for me).

Fullness Factor Chart 1
Fullness Factor Chart 2

What it my basal metabolic rate ?
Your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the energy used (measured in calories) by your body to perform basic functions, including internal energy expenditure, breathing, and body temperature. It is the number of calories your body would expend if you performed no physical activity throughout the day.

Simply put... your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the rate at which your body burns calories while you rest. This is very important because we only have so much time for cardio each day.

BMR Calculator:
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/
Where can I learn more about the "Fatloss Basics ?"
Fatloss Basics Part 1
Fatloss Basics Part 2
Fatloss Basics Part 3
Fatloss Basics Part 4
What are some good indications that I'm losing fat... ?
Mirror / Appearance
Measurements
Bodyfat caliper
Bodyweight




Supplements:

- Supplements / Companies to avoid

- SAVE $$$$$ ! ! STICK WITH THE BASICS ! ! )

Multivitamin
(Click here for a Multivitamin Comparison Chart)
10 lb bags of Optimum Whey Protein (This includes a great BCAA profile AND glutamine) (Note: I recommend Choc / Choc Mint only)
Creapure Creatine or Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL or Magnesium Creatine Chelate
Cold Pressed Flaxseed oil (and / or fishoil
- Stay on creatine, there is no need to cycle it ! (cycling and loading are totally optional)

- Creatine timing (when / how to take it):
Science behind creatine timing
In depth look at creatine
- For best results, aim for AROUND 2g of total daily protein intake per lb of bodyweight EVERY SINGLE DAY ! !

Example:
Bodyweight: 200lbs
Total daily protein intake: 400g
Here is why:
Protein Prejudice
Protein intake studies
BCAA's / Leucine




Workout / Routine:

- I recommend a MAX-OT, 5x5, HST (or similar) routine with a EMPHASIS ON:
- Squatting / Leg pressing
- Deadlifts
- Barbell benchpress
(Including flat / decline / incline)
- Both BB's and DB's for best results

- Concentrate more on measurements and less on bodyweight

- Weigh yourself once a week. Should gain (or lose) around 1lb per week (depending on goals).

- Concentrate on form first, in order to stay injury free

- Emphasize both range of motion, and mind-muscle connection

- With intensity, strength gains, and a proper bodybuilding diet, the size gains (or fatloss) will come

- Make sure and have a spotter when working out your major muscle groups, preferrably someone bigger than you

- Don't be scared of overtraining. Simply listen (pay attention) to your body, and ask more questions later if you think you are overtraining.





Cardio:

- If possible, do cardio at least 8 hours from when you lift weights

- If possible, do cardio in the AM after sleeping.

- No need to do cardio on a empty stomach, but many prefer to due to nausea

- Jumping rope is a very efficient form of cardio

- Sprinting is a very efficient form of cardio

- HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) is a efficient form of cardio






Recovery (A.K.A GROWTH !):

- With proper intensity MUST COME PROPER RECOVERY !

- Make sure and get enough protein right before you go to sleep.

- Make sure and get enough protein/carbs right when you wake up

- Make sure and get enough deep, quality sleep (Not getting enough quality sleep is the #1 newbie mistake. You should aim for at least 8 QUALITY hours of sleep per night):
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...sleep_1_pr.htm
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...sleep_2_pr.htm
- Make sure and get enough protein / calories on off days (This is when your body will be recovering) It is important to be consistent !

- Make sure and get proper pre and post-workout nutrition:
Carbs pre and post workout.
Protein pre and post workout.
Creatine pre and post workout:
Pre, During, & Postworkout Nutrition (Click here)





Cell volumization:

Make sure and drink enough water both throughout the day and during your workout (this is CRITICAL ! !) I drink about 1 liter per hour, and at least 3 liters during my workout. (Keep in mind I am currently over 240lbs so you may not need this much).
H2O / Cell Volumization... the ultimate supplement
Stretch Mark Mass !
The role of cellular hydration in the regulation of cell function
In depth look at creatine
Glycerine / Glycerol






Other Resources:

MCWTRAINER's SUPPLEMENT THREADS
ESSENTIAL Supplements - By Ironpimper
Mind and Muscle - Strengthen your connection
The BB.COM Bible - By BIGNBUFF
Rules, Information, and "Best Of" Threads Index







Good luck !
If you have read this post and ALL the links provided and you still have a question or concern.. please E-Mail me and I'll get back to you as soon as possible:

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Old 12-29-2005, 11:01 AM   #5
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i've been putting off lifting for years and i've finally gotten the balls and dedication to start up again. i'm 23, 180lbs and 6'1". Not real skinny, but definitely could use some muscle mass.


Thanks in advance for any responses.
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