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    Question Life Expectancy of Bodybuilders?

    is the life expectancey of bodybuilders marginaly decreased due to the supplement intake that the average man does not consume?

    one would think that the supplements which alter the normal human body's mechanisims and aging would have to be altered?

    on the other hand, exercise is good for improving life expactancey?

    So what's your opinion?
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    Originally Posted by tranceaddict
    is the life expectancey of bodybuilders marginaly decreased due to the supplement intake that the average man does not consume?

    one would think that the supplements which alter the normal human body's mechanisims and aging would have to be altered?

    on the other hand, exercise is good for improving life expactancey?

    So what's your opinion?

    i dunno about body builders but i know that the average life expectancy of an nfl player is like 58 or something
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    Originally Posted by tranceaddict
    is the life expectancey of bodybuilders marginaly decreased due to the supplement intake that the average man does not consume?
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    Does it matter about the longevity of the average bbers life? Personally, I'd have thought that the QOL would be far greater for a bber, as they take tremendous care of themselves (the ones who don't abuse it, I mean).
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    if your a recreational bodybuilder the life expectancy is probably higher than that of an average man (because of the clean lifestyle, and lifting)

    im not to sure about pro bodybuilders such as IFBB pros...we really don't know how long the pro's of our generation are gunna last (yates, coleman; the pioneers of the "freaky" big era in bodybuilding we're currently in). But pro's of yesteryear like arnold and zane seem to be in good health and well into their 60s.
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    I would say it would probably be increased, provided your only using basic type supplements and not juicing
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    A "clean" bodybuilder would have increased life expectancy - good diet + exercise = longevity.

    Someone like Ronnie? Dunno. 300lbs is a lot of weight for one heart to cope with plus all the stuff he injects. On the other hand, he's probably still going to live longer than some beer-swilling, chain-smoking couch potatoe.

    That's the thing about serious bodybuilders, yes there may be health risks but the "average" person has their own health risks associated with the typical modern lifestyle of junk food, alcohol, cigarettes and lack of exercise.
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    If you are a bodybuilder and you eat alot then your life span will probably be shorter than average. It's a proven fact that large amounts of eating will shorten your life span
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    eating alot? or eating too much for your body size
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    Originally Posted by quickups
    If you are a bodybuilder and you eat alot then your life span will probably be shorter than average. It's a proven fact that large amounts of eating will shorten your life span
    You have that the wrong way round...mice fed with just enough to keep them alive lived longer than mice fed normally, but since mice are different to humans and evolved with different systems, the results of that study may not apply.

    Aside from that, that study was into obesity and how it shortened lifespan, not into how bbing may affect lifespan. And it's still a theory, not proven.
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    Originally Posted by quickups
    If you are a bodybuilder and you eat alot then your life span will probably be shorter than average. It's a proven fact that large amounts of eating will shorten your life span
    thats true...but all bodybuilders don't eat above maintenance 12 months out of the year. I can't speak for everyone, but we usually bulk after september until march (right before spring break) and then start cutting for the summer, and then eat at maintenance. so i guess that balances everything out.

    but the constant "yo-yo" dieting can be a problem if its extreem or too sudden...but its not a problem most of the time

    OVERALL if you lift do cardio (when cutting) and eat clean...you will live longer than the average person
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    Actualy icedragon hes right. I recall a t-nation artical where they talked aobut that very subject. They said that since you eat more, your body logicaly does more of the natural processes. One of those processes is creating cells. Now in the body, there are cells called free radicals that cause cancer. They are cells with imbalances in neutrons and protons which then affect other cells around them. Now they are called radicals because they rarely happen. But logically and statiscaly, if you increase the production of cells, you increase the production of free radicals, thus increasing the chance of cancer.
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    Originally Posted by Dibatista
    Actualy icedragon hes right. I recall a t-nation artical where they talked aobut that very subject. They said that since you eat more, your body logicaly does more of the natural processes. One of those processes is creating cells. Now in the body, there are cells called free radicals that cause cancer. They are cells with imbalances in neutrons and protons which then affect other cells around them. Now they are called radicals because they rarely happen. But logically and statiscaly, if you increase the production of cells, you increase the production of free radicals, thus increasing the chance of cancer.
    Thing is, free radicals come from processed food - the more processed it is, the more free radicals. Bbers in general don't eat processed foods, or not to the extent that the average Joe does with their TV dinners, crisps, and fast food, so that article would only apply to those who have a generally sedantary lifestyle, mostly bad diet and poor self-image, not to bbers who are, for the most part, very clean eating and very health-conscious. Again, we go back to what I've already said, that that study was around obesity and not applied to humans.

    Here's a more recent study into fruit flies - that last was in mice in 2003, this in 2005.

    Low fat, low protein diet boosts longevity
    10:35 31 May 2005

    The idea that animals live longer if they eat less has been shown to be not entirely correct - at least in fruit flies. For these insects, it is the type of food and not just the quantity that controls their longevity.

    It has been known for some time that “calorie restriction” significantly lengthens the lifespan of many non-primate species - everything from worms to fleas to mice. Linda Partridge at University College London, UK, and colleagues wanted to see if the effect was merely due to a reduction of total calories or of particular nutrients in the diet.

    So the researchers divided up their Drosophila melanogaster fruit flies into four groups and put them on different diets. The control group got the standard fruit fly lab meal of yeast, which contains protein and fat, and sugar - a meal boasting about 1200 kilocalories per litre.

    The second group was fed on a calorie-restricted diet, with equal amounts of yeast and sugar - about 521 kilocalories per litre. The third group was given more yeast than sugar, while the fourth group got more sugar than yeast. The latter two diets had about 860 kilocalories per litre each.

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    The flies on the calorie restricted diet lived the longest - 82% longer compared to the controls. But the flies on the higher calorie diet with reduced yeast intake did very well too.

    Lowering the amount of protein and fat in the flies’ diet helped increase lifespan by nearly 65%. “It accounts for nearly all of the effect,” says Partridge. “It cannot just be calories.” Eating less sugar increased longevity only by about 9%.

    Brian Kennedy, a researcher who works on calorie restriction and ageing at the University of Washington in Seattle, US, says: “It's these detailed studies that are going to unlock the secrets [of the effects of calorie restriction].”

    Journal reference: PLoS Biology (vol 3, p e223)
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    Then there's also this, new research into a substance called catalase:

    Modified mice enjoy one-fifth more life
    19:00 05 May 2005

    A mouse with the ability to mop up free radicals at the cellular level - and live longer as a result - has been created by scientists.

    The research is a boost for the free radical theory of ageing. This proposes that reactive oxygen species damage cells and tissues, leading to declining health and, eventually, death.

    “We hope that in future years, this knowledge can be applied to deliver similar benefits to humans,” says lead researcher Peter Rabinovitch, a pathologist working on ageing at the University of Washington, Seattle, US.

    The results may also encourage those on the fringes of mainstream research who long for immortality.

    The transgenic mice Rabinovitch’s team created produce higher-than-normal levels of the antioxidant enzyme catalase. Cells use catalase to convert damaging hydrogen peroxide to harmless water and molecular oxygen, but the enzyme is usually found only in the cytoplasm of cells.

    His team made mice that produce high levels of catalase in their mitochondria, the powerhouses of cells. They found that cellular damage, as well as age-related damage in the heart, decreased in comparison to control mice that produced catalase in just cytoplasm or in cell nuclei. The lifespan of the mitochondria-catalase mice was extended by more than five months - an increase of around 20%.

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    Judith Campisi, who works on ageing at the Buck Institute in California, US, notes: “The theory is that inefficient mitochondria produce more reactive oxygen species, which in turn damage the mitochondria, making them more inefficient, and the cycle goes on,” she says.

    However, Rabinovitch rules out genetically modifying humans to do the same thing. More likely are drugs to mimic or increase catalase activity in human mitochondria. “Eventually we hope that insights from this work can be used to help develop pharmacological interventions that will help extend the healthy life span of humans,” he says.

    There is much evidence that a diet rich in green vegetables - high in antioxidants - is beneficial for health, but there is currently little data to support a beneficial effect of “antioxidant pills”. Rabinovitch says that the new work demonstrates the promise of an enzyme-based antioxidant, which could be given as a pill, if the enzymes can then find their way into the mitochondria.

    Campisi is cautiously optimistic that the mouse work will lead to longer life-spans in humans, too. “But it is important to remember that, just as mice are more complicated than flies or nematodes, humans are more complicated than mice. So time will tell,” she says.

    Howard Jacobs, a geneticist at the University of Tampere, Finland, also sounds a warning note. “Lifespan extension may carry other costs that are not immediately obvious, quite apart from considering ethical and societal issues,” he says. “Having said this, the finding is provocative, and certainly accords with our work showing that loss of mitochondrial genome integrity provokes an acceleration in mouse ageing.”

    Journal reference: Science (DOI 10.1126/science.1106653)
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    Look at the Jappanese; they have the longest lift expectency on anybody and I highly doubt many of them consistenetly eat above there maintance level. I've seen a few shows on TLC that said if you consistently eat more then you need your creates more free radicals thus a shorter life span.
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    Originally Posted by IceDragon
    Thing is, free radicals come from processed food - the more processed it is, the more free radicals. Bbers in general don't eat processed foods, or not to the extent that the average Joe does with their TV dinners, crisps, and fast food, so that article would only apply to those who have a generally sedantary lifestyle, mostly bad diet and poor self-image, not to bbers who are, for the most part, very clean eating and very health-conscious. Again, we go back to what I've already said, that that study was around obesity and not applied to humans.

    Here's a more recent study into fruit flies - that last was in mice in 2003, this in 2005.
    Actually, the pattern of caloric restriction extending longevity was observed in many different species as the second article you quoted noted, not just mice. It's also been observed in monkeys. From what is known, it pretty much certainly also applies to humans, as well. Free radicals occur even just through cooking food (healthy or not), and a lot of free radicals are produced by the digestive process itself. So, there's really no escaping it unless they come up with something for humans that knocks it on the head at the cellular level like catalase.
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    But with bodybuilding or any other physically demanding lifestyle, there would be an allowance and even a requirement for more calories than there would be for a sedentary individual.

    An so with an active person requiring more calories than a less active person just to maintain weight, the question is would he be compensating his life expectancy in relation to caloric intake over his lifespan because of the higher demand for calories.

    Put another way, all things being equal, and ignoring other external variables which also have the potential to affect lifespan, who would live longer?

    The 180 lb, 10% bodyfat, extremely active individual who consumes 4000 calories a day just to maintain weight?

    Or the 180 lb, 15% bodyfat, moderately active individual who consumes 2600 calories a day to maintain weight?
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    Would any of you stop your bodybuilding lifestyle if it was proven to reduce your life expectancy by 10 years?

    Would you trade quality of life for quantity?

    Will the last ten years of your life be as enjoyable as the first 70?

    I'll spend my whole life doing the things that make me happy - I'd rather be happy for 40 yrs than regretful after 80.
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    Originally Posted by MantisShrimp
    Cancer in average people: 1 in 3
    Cancer in athletes: 1 in 7
    Source?
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    Has anyone got any unbiased sources or scientific studies that actually say that bbing increases free radicals in the body, or has some detrimental effect on their health?

    I've been searching my usual sources and have found nothing to back that up at all, so they're now exhausted. I think I'll start a search for studies that back up what I've already said.
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    Originally Posted by martydaman
    Source?
    I'll see if I can find it...I believe the original source was the ACS, but was quoted strangely enough in an Anthony Robbins lecture on the importance of lymph movement. Kind of a dubious source. So I'll add to it.

    http://www.afpafitness.com/articles/SuergonGen.htm
    From the Surgeon General's 1997 Report

    Non-athletes had more that two-and-a-half times the risk of breast, ovarian, uterine, cervical and vaginal cancers than former college athletes. (Frisch et al. 1985)
    Physical inactivity was associated with a 2.4 to 8.6-fold increase in risk of developing uterine cancer. (Levi et al. 1993)



    http://www.apria.com/channels/0,2748,95-190,00.html

    "Men who were unfit and obese were at greatest risk, with a 2.6 times greater chance of dying of cancer than fit, normal-weight men. This is not surprising since excess body fat is known to increase the risk of certain cancers -- including colon, rectum, prostate, endometrium, kidney and breast (among postmenopausal women)."

    http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/T040300.asp

    When you build muscle mass through exercise, the muscle itself burns more fat and therefore helps the body maintain its leanness. Once you're lean it's easier to stay lean. Increasing your muscle mass actually enables you to consume more calories without increasing your body fat. A study of 13,000 men and women followed for fifteen years by aerobic expert, Dr. Kenneth Cooper, showed that the incidence of all forms of cancer closely correlated with a lack of physical fitness and that the combination of a high-fat diet and inactivity accounted for as much as 60 percent of all colorectal cancers in men and 40 percent in women. Unfit men and women were 300 percent more likely to develop cancer. The study concluded that a half-hour of exercise several days a week can dramatically lower your risk of cancer. In another study of 8,000 men over 21 years, those with the lowest resting heart rate had the lowest risk of colorectal cancer.

    Lifetime risks: Cancer: 33.33%
    http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/lists/lifetime.htm

    etc etc etc
    1 in 3 is recognized normal/sedentary cancer risk.
    Athleticism is alleged to halve it.
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    I doubt Ronnie will make it much past 50.
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    Originally Posted by MantisShrimp
    etc etc etc
    1 in 3 is recognized normal/sedentary cancer risk.
    Athleticism is alleged to halve it.
    Very interesting. Certainly good to hear. Ill give this some time to look over.
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    Originally Posted by IceDragon
    Has anyone got any unbiased sources or scientific studies that actually say that bbing increases free radicals in the body, or has some detrimental effect on their health?

    I've been searching my usual sources and have found nothing to back that up at all, so they're now exhausted. I think I'll start a search for studies that back up what I've already said.
    Good question. That has Dr John Berardi written all over it
    http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...x4athletes.htm

    Might want to shoot him an email and ask if that "up regulation" of free radical scavengers has been shown to be less than, equal to, or greater than that of sedentary individuals....
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    Originally Posted by LatsMakeTheMan
    I doubt Ronnie will make it much past 50.
    He's 41 and still in his prime, im not expecting him to live long but cmon, look at Arnold, numerous heart operations and still going strong.
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    Originally Posted by MantisShrimp
    Good question. That has Dr John Berardi written all over it
    http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...x4athletes.htm

    Might want to shoot him an email and ask if that "up regulation" of free radical scavengers has been shown to be less than, equal to, or greater than that of sedentary individuals....
    Thanks, I'll do that.

    Very interesting, actually. Even though I bb, I've never really given it much thought. I FEEL far healthier, far better and more energetic than I ever have in my life, so I just assumed it's far healthier in the long run. Not that I'd ever stop, even if it was proven to be detrimental.
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