my friend had recently done a sleeper hold to another friend of mine, and i had no idea what it does. well he was knocked out for about 10 seconds and starts to spas out. we found a bruise on his forehead cuz he banged his head on the ground. other than the bruises, is this dangerous to do? i mean is it possible for the person to not wake up again?
Thread: is this dangerous (sleeper hold)
12-23-2005, 08:41 PM #1
is this dangerous (sleeper hold)
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12-23-2005, 08:57 PM #9
It won't kill them if you do it right. Many forms of combat employ a "sleeper hold" where one cuts off blood flow to the brain via the corotid arteries on the sides of your neck. It only takes about 4-5 seconds to accomplish this. You will be harmed if you go through it enough times but it's not deadly unless you hold it and keep the blood from going to his brain for a long time.
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12-23-2005, 09:26 PM #12
my friend did it to me right b4 football practice once.......and lets say that it takes 5 seconds to knock them out, well id say i was at 4.59 when he let go. at that point i fell to my knees but was extremely light headed16
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12-23-2005, 09:28 PM #13
Yeah it's pretty dangerous, can cause death and probably brain damage, although I'd say most likely you'll just put the person out for a bit. I wouldn't mess around with it too much though. I mean obviously anything that cuts off circulation to the brain is not exactly the safest thing in the world.You should always play fair when you have the winning hand.
12-23-2005, 10:04 PM #14
The sleeper hold cuts off blood flow from the carotid artery. In judo, this is a rear naked choke (Hadaka Jime). Upon releasing the hold, the person being choked will usually regain conciousness in about 5-7 seconds. Any longer than that and you are going to want to apply reanimation techniques (slaps to the face J/K) + call the ambulence. I am choked by it all the time in practice (not to uncousciousness) and I believe that in controlled conditions it is a safe technique.Squat: 400lbs
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12-23-2005, 10:14 PM #15
12-24-2005, 12:30 AM #16Originally Posted by V10Kyle
Originally Posted by LiftingKid
12-24-2005, 12:44 AM #17
I got this summary of a study done on chokes a few years ago. Random facts.
1)Side effects of chokes
a)Unconsciousness occurs approximately 10 seconds (8-14 seconds) after choking. After release from the choke hold, the subject regains consciousness naturally (spontaneously) without difficulty in 10-20 seconds.
b)In hadaka-jime (naked choke) the pressure on the larynx and trachea produced excruciating pain but there was no pain in other techniques before unconsciousness.
c)The unconsciousness resulting from choking in Judo is mainly due to lack of oxygen and metabolic disturbances created in the brain, as a result of disturbance of cerebral circulation.
d)The appearance of flushing of the face is due to disturbance in pressure in the carotid arteries and jugular veins.
e)When convulsions occur, the EEG findings are very similar to a very short epileptic seizure.
f)Tachycardia (increased heart rate), hypertension (increased blood pressure) and mydriasis (dilation of the pupils) were caused by stimulation of the sympathetic nervous system (vagus nerve).
Tachycardia and hypertension may be also attributed to the carotid sinus reflex.
g)All other laboratory studies show changes that are similar to condition accompanying central shock. Choking in Judo acts as a stressor on the circulator and hypophysio-adrenocortical system.
h)According to their experience, no deleterious after effects remain after being "choked".
a)Blood Chokes work by interrupting the blood supply and stopping processed oxygen from being delivered from the lungs to the brain. These techniques are generally the faster acting of the two types of chokes and can cause unconsciousness in as little as 10 seconds when properly applied. Blood chokes are employed by applying pressure to the sides of the neck blocking the carotid arteries to interrupt blood flow to the brain. Interrupting blood flow to the brain can be accomplished without a great deal of pain or discomfort during a confrontation allowing the opponent to be rendered unconscious before he is fully aware of what is occurring. While potentially very dangerous, attacking the blood flow to the brain is less likely to cause permanent damage if released soon after unconsciousness and recovery without long-term effects is generally high.
a)Applied against the windpipe (trachea) to cutoff the air supply to the lungs or to damage it so the air supply will be interrupted or stopped.
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12-24-2005, 01:09 AM #18