DC vs. HIT.....is there really a difference?

W8isGR8 · 12-19-2005, 04:10 PM

I mean, both involve using limited volume, 1-2 working sets taken to failure, using intensity techniques. Both have you trying to lift progressively heavier weights. DC just throws in some stretches at the end. The only real difference is training frequency.

So why does HIT get bashed and DC get praised?

J.L.C. · 12-19-2005, 04:15 PM

From what I've read on DC he does incorporate "cruise weeks"...which are essentially deloading periods.

Maybe it's that DC accounts for fatigue and HIT doesn't?

Or does HIT have some kind of deload worked into it as well?

W8isGR8 · 12-19-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by J.L.C.

From what I've read on DC he does incorporate "cruise weeks"...which are essentially deloading periods.

Maybe it's that DC accounts for fatigue and HIT doesn't?

Or does HIT have some kind of deload worked into it as well?

Right, I forgot about the cruise. So DC just seems like HIT 2.0

zfan88 · 12-19-2005, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by W8isGR8

Right, I forgot about the cruise. So DC just seems like HIT 2.0

Ha, good way of putting it

aiwass · 12-19-2005, 04:18 PM

I feel that HIT gets bashed mainly because of the low frequency--you could be training a lot more. DC training doesn't really have the same problem.

nads786 · 12-19-2005, 04:20 PM

hahahahaah im glad someone said this, ive been wondering the EXACT same thing

_Lifter4Life_ · 12-19-2005, 05:36 PM

They are both very different programs. And I speak from experience, Dante has been training me for for 1 year and im seeing crazy results. When I was using hit, I didn't get much out of it, befor trying to compare 2 programs that are NOT even close, do some reading. (Im not trying to be rude)

And to answer your question w8, why does hit get bashed and dc get the thumbs up? because no one can follow dc to a tea without being trained my dante, because people can't eat the amount of foods called for following dc, and last but not least, DC will not train just anyone, its not a program like hit where you can find all over the internet.

Lifter,

bigpump23 · 12-19-2005, 05:37 PM

if you weren't such an idiot you'd know

J.L.C. · 12-19-2005, 05:43 PM

The cult mentality seems pretty similar to me though.

W8isGR8 · 12-19-2005, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by _Lifter4Life_

They are both very different programs. And I speak from experience, Dante has been training me for for 1 year and im seeing crazy results. When I was using hit, I didn't get much out of it, befor trying to compare 2 programs that are NOT even close, do some reading. (Im not trying to be rude)

And to answer your question w8, why does hit get bashed and dc get the thumbs up? because no one can follow dc to a tea without being trained my dante, because people can't eat the amount of foods called for following dc, and last but not least, DC will not train just anyone, its not a program like hit where you can find all over the internet.

Lifter,

Actually, I've been to numerous sites and have spent hours reading all of Dante's stuff. I agree with everything the guy says. I just wnat to know what other people think about it. I'm all for it.

MrSinister · 12-19-2005, 05:45 PM

overrated both of em

_Lifter4Life_ · 12-19-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by J.L.C.

The cult mentality seems pretty similar to me though.

See my post above

Lifter,

W8isGR8 · 12-19-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by J.L.C.

The cult mentality seems pretty similar to me though.

Yeah, those guys are real protective of their Dante

_Lifter4Life_ · 12-19-2005, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by W8isGR8

Actually, I've been to numerous sites and have spent hours reading all of Dante's stuff. I agree with everything the guy says. I just wnat to know what other people think about it. I'm all for it.

Its a program mainly constructed by

Eating lots of food
Rest pauses
static's
extreme streching
compounds

Lifter,

Hola Bola · 12-19-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bigpump23

if you weren't such an idiot you'd know

What happened to your big idea for improving the forum? It seems like the majority of your posts are some sort of flaming... which is exactly what this forum needs more of.

I realize that you're too smart for us all here... but I'm just wondering if you've ever posted pics of yourself... you know... to show everyone how useful all that knowledge of yours is.

_Lifter4Life_ · 12-19-2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hola Bola

What happened to your big idea for improving the forum? It seems like the majority of your posts are some sort of flaming... which is exactly what this forum needs more of.

I realize that you're too smart for us all here... but I'm just wondering if you've ever posted pics of yourself... you know... to show everyone how useful all that knowledge of yours is.

Good point, but lets keep this on topic!

Lifter,

W8isGR8 · 12-19-2005, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by _Lifter4Life_

Its a program mainly constructed by

Eating lots of food
Rest pauses
static's
extreme streching
compounds

Lifter,

Dude......I know all about it. The point is you're taking a few work sets to failure, just like HIT. With all the talk about failure training being bad, I was just wondering the method behind the madness.

BTW, every f*cking bodybuilding program involves "eat food", it's not like Dante invented the damn concept.

_Lifter4Life_ · 12-19-2005, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by W8isGR8

Dude......I know all about it. The point is you're taking a few work sets to failure, just like HIT. With all the talk about failure training being bad, I was just wondering the method behind the madness.

BTW, every f*cking bodybuilding program involves "eat food", it's not like Dante invented the damn concept.

He stresses how IMPORTANT it is. W8, you know its important, but your making threads on you can't get ennough food? This is why he will not accept most as his trainee. True, you are talking a few work sets but its really one big set (rest pause set) with a 10-15breath break between set. There is no way I can say its better then HIt but from MY experience hitt doesn;t compare.

Lifter,

IronBear04 · 12-19-2005, 06:01 PM

I believe that more of an emphasis is placed on eating large quantities of food while still staying lean by means of using techniques to keep the metabolism of the individual burning like a raging hot fire. The actual workout style might mimmic (sp) or be mimmiced by other programs, however there is so much more to it that many other lifting regimines simply don't touch upon. Again, this is just my opinion, but I hope it highlights some of the more important aspects.

DiamondDelts · 12-19-2005, 06:07 PM

Interesting info in this thread.

J.L.C. · 12-19-2005, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by _Lifter4Life_

See my post above

Lifter,

My comment was based on your above post

W8isGR8 · 12-19-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by IronBear04

I believe that more of an emphasis is placed on eating large quantities of food while still staying lean by means of using techniques to keep the metabolism of the individual burning like a raging hot fire. The actual workout style might mimmic (sp) or be mimmiced by other programs, however there is so much more to it that many other lifting regimines simply don't touch upon. Again, this is just my opinion, but I hope it highlights some of the more important aspects.

Okay, lets touch on the innovative new techniques utlized by DC
Rest pause-hmm nothing new there
Compound movements- well that's a no brainer
Periodized loading/deloading-nope, been around for awhile
Eating- sorry
Fascia stretching-rare, but not new
Progressive resistance- uh uh
Hmmmmm, so besides the "15 breathes" between pauses, what is so radically different that Dante charges 500 bucks for. Amazing that the "inventor" of this amazing new program just happens to be the only one who can train you. I wonder what magical secrets he keeps from the rest of us. Maybe I should pay 500 bucks to find out. Oh wait, I can get the same advice from AJ for free.

W8isGR8 · 12-19-2005, 06:47 PM

First rule of DC training- Never question DC training

DC trainees aren't allowed to deviate from the "plan", unless directed by Dante of course. Amazing that one man knows the secrets for everyone. No free thinking allowed. Ask a DCer a question, you get "read Dante's stuff"

maxiw · 12-19-2005, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by W8isGR8

First rule of DC training- Never question DC training

DC trainees aren't allowed to deviate from the "plan", unless directed by Dante of course. Amazing that one man knows the secrets for everyone. No free thinking allowed. Ask a DCer a question, you get "read Dante's stuff"

The same goes for other culty-type training programs like Max OT.

W8isGR8 · 12-19-2005, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by maxiw

The same goes for other culty-type training programs like Max OT.

Someone's always trying to make a buck.

_Lifter4Life_ · 12-19-2005, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by W8isGR8

Someone's always trying to make a buck.

The thing DIFFERENT about paying for this PROGRAM is he will not just sell it to anyone. And if AJ has been accepted by Dante..he should respect him more to keep the info to himself, if hes just read on it, and calls what hes doing DC, then hes not doing DC. This debate is worthless, because untill you try it then don't bash it.

Lifter,

J.L.C. · 12-19-2005, 07:01 PM

I'm gonna market a new "system"

Trainees basically do whatever they want

They can talk about it as much as they like

It will be free

It will be called FP-XP

FP, fart pants obviously

XP, because anything 'XP' is better.

You can sign up in any thread you want.

It also involves eating

and protein farts

over and out

nads786 · 12-19-2005, 07:05 PM

im not an expert on it but ive seen some of the results at their website, its pretty freaky, those guys are friggin huge, insanely huge, whatever they are doing its working damn well

he also pretty much believes ( from my knowlege dont quote me on this) that those who make the biggest strength gains also will make the biggest size gains

W8isGR8 · 12-19-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by _Lifter4Life_

The thing DIFFERENT about paying for this PROGRAM is he will not just sell it to anyone. And if AJ has been accepted by Dante..he should respect him more to keep the info to himself, if hes just read on it, and calls what hes doing DC, then hes not doing DC. This debate is worthless, because untill you try it then don't bash it.

Lifter,

But how can I try it, if I won't be accepted......hmmmmmmm, great logic. You can't knock it until you try it, but you can't try it unless Dante says so(which is unlikely).

W8isGR8 · 12-19-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nads786

im not an expert on it but ive seen some of the results at their website, its pretty freaky, those guys are friggin huge, insanely huge, whatever they are doing its working damn well

he also pretty much believes ( from my knowlege dont quote me on this) that those who make the biggest strength gains also will make the biggest size gains

Yeah, it's called progressive resistance. So basically you eat a lot, and lift heavy. But that's not the "real" program.

Second rule of DC training, nobody talks about DC training