Cellmass and ZMA

[Max Omega]

Fellow Gentleman's, I'm going to start taking cellmass daily and ZMA nightly to enhance my bulking and recovery abilities so if anyone can suggest some positive criticisms towards the best time of taking cellmass, that would be greatly appreciated!

I know I should follow the instructions on the bottle but if anyone has more optimal suggestions, please let me know.

Happy Holidays to all you monsters

[Dosquito]

Originally Posted by Max Omega

Fellow Gentleman's, I'm going to start taking cellmass daily and ZMA nightly to enhance my bulking and recovery abilities so if anyone can suggest some positive criticisms towards the best time of taking cellmass, that would be greatly appreciated!

I know I should follow the instructions on the bottle but if anyone has more optimal suggestions, please let me know.

Happy Holidays to all you monsters

<img src=http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bigbeachsm.jpg>
"BSN MASS STACK IS THE ONLY THING THAT WORKS FOR ME, BRO! BETTER SAVE UP!"

[Max Omega]

Originally Posted by Dosquito

<img src=http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bigbeachsm.jpg>
"BSN MASS STACK IS THE ONLY THING THAT WORKS FOR ME, BRO! BETTER SAVE UP!"

I guess someone doesn't understand the term "positive criticisms" but I respect your attempt.

[MCWlightsout]

Cell mass post workout

ZMA before bed

follow the directions on the bottle you'll be alright

[Seroph4x]

Originally Posted by Max Omega

I guess someone doesn't understand the term "positive criticisms" but I respect your attempt.

hes 94, give him a break man...

[Dosquito]

Originally Posted by Seroph4x

hes 94, give him a break man...

My eyes are old, I thought he was asking how to look like Ronnie

[Cloud Strife]

Originally Posted by Dosquito

<img src=http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bigbeachsm.jpg>
"BSN MASS STACK IS THE ONLY THING THAT WORKS FOR ME, BRO! BETTER SAVE UP!"

maybe it's because I've been living under a rock the last few months, but wtf is with your signature? is it some sort of inside joke that i'm obviously not a part of?

[HORMONEMAN]

What makes you think zinc and magnesium is going to help you bulk? More calories helps you bulk.

[Lurker 501]

Originally Posted by HORMONEMAN

What makes you think zinc and magnesium is going to help you bulk? More calories helps you bulk.

You should do some homework before mouthing off.

1. Zinc optimizes your natural test production. Magnesium reduces cortisol. http://www.snac.com/research.htm

2. More calories alone do not help you bulk. It will just make you FAT!

[Max Omega]

I appreciate all the positive feedback so far but so far I have been consuming more than 2000-2300 calories daily and just looking for some supplements to enhance my results.

[HORMONEMAN]

Originally Posted by Lurker 501

You should do some homework before mouthing off.

1. Zinc optimizes your natural test production. Magnesium reduces cortisol. http://www.snac.com/research.htm

2. More calories alone do not help you bulk. It will just make you FAT!

I'm sure I've been at this at least as much as you. The testing on zinc raising T are absolutely untrue. They were started by a convicted felon for crisakes. You're behind the times.

Try gaining weight without increasing calories. You'll be the first human in the history of the world to do it. Do a little more reading on biology and less message boards.

I've made a living in the field of bodybuilding for 20 years. What do YOU do for a living ? Just because I'm a whipping boy here doesn't mean you know more than me. Believe me, you don't.

[HORMONEMAN]

Originally Posted by Max Omega

I appreciate all the positive feedback so far but so far I have been consuming more than 2000-2300 calories daily and just looking for some supplements to enhance my results.

A weight gainer with creatine , a multi and a T booster would be the only things you need. PM me for more info, otherwise, there will be a flock of trolls hijacking the thread.

[Seroph4x]

Originally Posted by HORMONEMAN

A weight gainer with creatine , a multi and a T booster would be the only things you need. PM me for more info, otherwise, there will be a flock of trolls hijacking the thread.

you forgot fish oil.

[HORMONEMAN]

Originally Posted by Seroph4x

you forgot fish oil.

True, or at least some EFA's. But if diet is in check, it's possible to get that without supplementing. At least, it won't make a world of difference in ones progress.

[Lurker 501]

Originally Posted by HORMONEMAN

I'm sure I've been at this at least as much as you. The testing on zinc raising T are absolutely untrue. They were started by a convicted felon for crisakes. You're behind the times.

Try gaining weight without increasing calories. You'll be the first human in the history of the world to do it. Do a little more reading on biology and less message boards.

I've made a living in the field of bodybuilding for 20 years. What do YOU do for a living ? Just because I'm a whipping boy here doesn't mean you know more than me. Believe me, you don't.

You are a basket case of ignoramus.

The research on zinc and magnesium has f#$% sh!t to do with Victor Conte. His site happens to list the research on zinc and magnesium. I borrow it for convenient sake, rather then to go looking for them at pubmed. If you can read, you would have known that. What kind of R&D dude you are? Then again, you may very well be the R&D guy for the petfood store aka PF. No wonder. If you have been in bb for 20 years then you are certainly the dumbest one in bb. Have you found out why Chuck Diesel adds copper to zinc yet? Talk about clueless! lol

Yeah and keep downing the mega dose of calories and see where it all end up. Do some basic research and stop keep leading newbies into fat hell.


Hormonmen's famous last words:

1. The testing on zinc raising T are absolutely untrue.
2. Maca has been shown to raise estrogen.
3. Why take copper with zinc?
4. PF is FDA approved.
5 to be continued.....

[HORMONEMAN]

Originally Posted by Lurker 501

You are a basket case of ignoramus.

The research on zinc and magnesium has f#$% sh!t to do with Victor Conte. His site happens to list the research on zinc and magnesium. I borrow it for convenient sake, rather then to go looking for them at pubmed. If you can read, you would have known that. What kind of R&D dude you are? Then again, you may very well be the R&D guy for the petfood store aka PF. No wonder. If you have been in bb for 20 years then you are certainly the dumbest one in bb. Have you found out why Chuck Diesel adds copper to zinc yet? Talk about clueless! lol

Yeah and keep downing the mega dose of calories and see where it all end up. Do some basic research and stop keep leading newbies into fat hell.

Whatever you say kid.

[Lurker 501]

Originally Posted by HORMONEMAN

Whatever you say kid.

When the facts are against you, resort to childish outburst.

[Lurker 501]

Originally Posted by HORMONEMAN

.....Just because I'm a whipping boy here doesn't mean you know more than me..... .

People are not whipping you b/c you are an easy target. You get yourself into the position by your factually inaccurate posts. It is too bad that you get kicked around here. It does not give me pleasure to kick people.

If you would just cut your losses and stop the charade of continuously misleading newbies, people would just leave you alone to your business.

If you think there is something to salvage from the fiasco, then the only viable solution is to come clean on the operation of PF/Petstore confusion.

Until you have convincingly demonstrate to people that the operation of PF is clean as a whistle, I doubt PF has a future in this business.

You may have a family to feed and to clothe, and I appreciate the fact that you too deserve to make a living. There is an honorable way to go about that in this country. It is called honest business. No one is going to fault you for owning a petfood business too, as long as you can ensure there is zero contamination of the PF operation.

Unfortunately, you are not taking that approach. You choose the confrontational and denial approach. All that has accomplished is to sink your business down the toilet faster and faster.

If you have indeed being in this business for 20 years, all these should be all too obvious to you already.


Everybody makes mistakes. Some of them are gigantic proportion. People will give you a second chance if you mend your way.

[R_N_S]

he has a point. You go ahead and don't count cals and just eat until you're full and forget about it, but make sure to take your ZMA. I on the other hand will gain weight the only physiological way possible, and eat eat eat.

[Lurker 501]

Originally Posted by rippednshredded

he has a point. You go ahead and don't count cals and just eat until you're full and forget about it, but make sure to take your ZMA. I on the other hand will gain weight the only physiological way possible, and eat eat eat.

Bulking needs a complete program of proper nutrition, exercise and recuperation. Not just ZMA nor 'eat eat eat'. I am sorry if you misunderstood me previously.

[exfatman]

Originally Posted by HORMONEMAN

I'm sure I've been at this at least as much as you. The testing on zinc raising T are absolutely untrue. They were started by a convicted felon for crisakes. You're behind the times.

Try gaining weight without increasing calories. You'll be the first human in the history of the world to do it. Do a little more reading on biology and less message boards.

I've made a living in the field of bodybuilding for 20 years. What do YOU do for a living ? Just because I'm a whipping boy here doesn't mean you know more than me. Believe me, you don't.

But your a proven liar so nobody really cares about your opinion.

[R_N_S]

ok, but here's the thing

there are so many parts to a full program. I see that you just joined in november. If you give it time, you will see so many threads like this it's rediculous. And you will be able to tell the honest difference between a kid thinking the new goofy-tech creatine is 100% results, or 2% of a full program. When it comes down to it, creatine won't add any lean body mass, and all the uninformed kids that come to ask questions like this really need to be redirected to the nutrition forum. Eating at maintanace but taking creatine NO2 monkey jizz camel spit and ZMA will give less results than eating over maintanance and taking no supplements. Once they realize that, then you can get into the details, but almost nobody who posts a question like this realizes creatine yada yada is a TEENIE piece of the puzzle

[RB12]

Originally Posted by rippednshredded

ok, but here's the thing

there are so many parts to a full program. I see that you just joined in november. If you give it time, you will see so many threads like this it's rediculous. And you will be able to tell the honest difference between a kid thinking the new goofy-tech creatine is 100% results, or 2% of a full program. When it comes down to it, creatine won't add any lean body mass, and all the uninformed kids that come to ask questions like this really need to be redirected to the nutrition forum. Eating at maintanace but taking creatine NO2 monkey jizz camel spit and ZMA will give less results than eating over maintanance and taking no supplements. Once they realize that, then you can get into the details, but almost nobody who posts a question like this realizes creatine yada yada is a TEENIE piece of the puzzle

^^^^ I have to agree with RnS here. While products like ZMA are great for improving sleep in certain situations, I have not, nor have I really read any feedback that really points to ZMA being the tool that will "make you huge".

Max Omega, if you insist on those two products, then just take them as is instructed on the bottle. Their is no risk stacking them and they really don't need complicated dosing instrustions. If you really want to "enhance your results" though, you need to reconsider your nutrition. Simply stating "consuming more than 2000-2300 calories daily" does not really help us here. Please post stats as well. 2000-3000 is a pretty wide range for any given day, which leads me to believe that your diet probably is not as good as you may think. Also, how did you derive that as the proper bulking calorie intake?

Creatine may enhance strength and recovery, but if bulking is what you are specifically looking for, that comes from what and how much you eat.

[Max Omega]

Originally Posted by RB12

^^^^ I have to agree with RnS here. While products like ZMA are great for improving sleep in certain situations, I have not, nor have I really read any feedback that really points to ZMA being the tool that will "make you huge".

Max Omega, if you insist on those two products, then just take them as is instructed on the bottle. Their is no risk stacking them and they really don't need complicated dosing instrustions. If you really want to "enhance your results" though, you need to reconsider your nutrition. Simply stating "consuming more than 2000-2300 calories daily" does not really help us here. Please post stats as well. 2000-3000 is a pretty wide range for any given day, which leads me to believe that your diet probably is not as good as you may think. Also, how did you derive that as the proper bulking calorie intake?

Creatine may enhance strength and recovery, but if bulking is what you are specifically looking for, that comes from what and how much you eat.

Don't be fooled, the total 2000-3000 calorie intake is from lean meats, veggies and complex carbs. Everything I purchase in terms of food is organic because I rather invest money in my body rather than physical items but that doesn't mean I live like a bum

Cellmass was recommended because one my of friends take it and said it built more lean muscles and gave him better pumps in the gym so I would like to try it myself. As for ZMA, I always had a problem sleeping at night for some reason and I've heard it will assist you into a deeper and longer sleep which is good for overall performance.

My current supplements are:
Dymatize ISO-100 Protein
Animal Pak Multi-Vitamin

Everything else I get it from natural foods.

Hopefully this explain the whole story and don't worry about nutrition. I know you can get creatine from red meat and so fourth but you can only consume so much per day.

[RB12]

Originally Posted by Max Omega

Don't be fooled, the total 2000-3000 calorie intake is from lean meats, veggies and complex carbs. Everything I purchase in terms of food is organic because I rather invest money in my body rather than physical items but that doesn't mean I live like a bum

Cellmass was recommended because one my of friends take it and said it built more lean muscles and gave him better pumps in the gym so I would like to try it myself. As for ZMA, I always had a problem sleeping at night for some reason and I've heard it will assist you into a deeper and longer sleep which is good for overall performance.

My current supplements are:
Dymatize ISO-100 Protein
Animal Pak Multi-Vitamin

Everything else I get it from natural foods.

Hopefully this explain the whole story and don't worry about nutrition. I know you can get creatine from red meat and so fourth but you can only consume so much per day.

Thanks for the clarifications and I am glad to hear you have a solid diet. I did not mean to dig in too hard, there are just a lot of people around here that miss the obvious solutions and try to fix their problems with supps.

I would still like to know your stats (height, weight, activity level). I still stand by the fact that cellmass (nor any creatine) will build lean mass. It may allow you to work out harder, gain strength and recover, but building lean mass comes from food.

Cellmass (and Animal Pak for that matter) are fine products, but over priced for what you get. You can get comperable products (green bulge, clout, pure mono, bulk cee, NOW Adam, etc.) with comperable results for less money. As for the ZMA, if the sleep factor is indeed what you are going for, then it is good, but you should also keep in mind your aggregate level of zinc, too, coming from all sources, especially supps.

[Max Omega]

Originally Posted by RB12

Thanks for the clarifications and I am glad to hear you have a solid diet. I did not mean to dig in too hard, there are just a lot of people around here that miss the obvious solutions and try to fix their problems with supps.

I would still like to know your stats (height, weight, activity level). I still stand by the fact that cellmass (nor any creatine) will build lean mass. It may allow you to work out harder, gain strength and recover, but building lean mass comes from food.

Cellmass (and Animal Pak for that matter) are fine products, but over priced for what you get. You can get comperable products (green bulge, clout, pure mono, bulk cee, NOW Adam, etc.) with comperable results for less money. As for the ZMA, if the sleep factor is indeed what you are going for, then it is good, but you should also keep in mind your aggregate level of zinc, too, coming from all sources, especially supps.

Age: 21
Height: 6'3
Weight: 190
Activity: 6 days a week with cardio done after lifting sessions but only done 4-5 days during the week.

That is a another issue, I'm afford if getting zinc poisoning or is that even possible?

[RB12]

Originally Posted by Max Omega

Age: 21
Height: 6'3
Weight: 190
Activity: 6 days a week with cardio done after lifting sessions but only done 4-5 days during the week.

That is a another issue, I'm afford if getting zinc poisoning or is that even possible?

I have to say that 2000-3000 cals sounds really low for bulking with your stats especially with 4-5 days of cardio a week. Not sure if you are a meso, ecto or endo, but for comparison purposes, I am mostly an ecto, have a very active cardio roster (at least 4-5 days) and lift 4 days a week. I am also 6'2" and have bulked from 180 up to my current 210lbs. and to do so, I have been taking in aroun 4000 cals a day, pretty clean.

So I would say first and foremost, figure out what your maintenance is for your level and increase by 500 cals. Here is a helpful calculator for getting started:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mohr107.htm

As for the zinc, here are some interesting reads:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=529834
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=469497
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=403179

[HORMONEMAN]

Originally Posted by Max Omega

Age: 21
Height: 6'3
Weight: 190
Activity: 6 days a week with cardio done after lifting sessions but only done 4-5 days during the week.

That is a another issue, I'm afford if getting zinc poisoning or is that even possible?

More than 50 mgs of zinc a day for a prolonged period can build up to toxic levels -- it won't kill you, but there will be toxicity. If you take a multi, that's usually 15mgs and you probably get another 15 mgs from diet. That's more than you need and more than you can use. 30mgs will not increase testosterone any more than 15mgs. Add ZMA, which is another 15mgs, and all you're doing is pushing it toward overdose.

[exfatman]

Originally Posted by HORMONEMAN

More than 50 mgs of zinc a day for a prolonged period can build up to toxic levels -- it won't kill you, but there will be toxicity. If you take a multi, that's usually 15mgs and you probably get another 15 mgs from diet. That's more than you need and more than you can use. 30mgs will not increase testosterone any more than 15mgs. Add ZMA, which is another 15mgs, and all you're doing is pushing it toward overdose.

Thanks for your contribution liar.

[marcmathews]

Zinc posioning is possible but as long as you just take a mult and ZMA I think you will be good.