Can you be a CHRISTIAN and be GAY ?

[Aussieguy101]

IF there is one thing which is very clear in the bible, its that homosexuality is a sin and basically bad.

So how can someone who is gay be a christian ?

And it's coping out creating your own designer version of the bible conveniently choosing what parts you want to follow and which parts you don't, that's total bollocks, either your a proper Christian and you follow the bible 100% or your not.

[EAE]

Christians can't sin?

[tranceaddict]

They could be apart of the Uniting Church, they accepted gays into their church

[Aussieguy101]

Christians can't sin?

It's one thing sinning because of human flaws and being forgiven, it's another thing knowingly sinning all the time.

E.g. take another sin, murder, would you say a person could be a christian and murder someone everyday ? i think not

In the bible, homosexuality is as bad a sin as murder and all the other sins

[Mayorga]

You CANNOT be considered Christian if you are gay, just like in the other Religions of the book being Judaism and Islam. It is utterly completely and ridiculous to think otherwise.

[londonbeast]

homosexual?"
IT'S AN ABOMINATION!
"You shall not lie with a male as with a women; it is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13). These passages appear within the Holiness Code of Israel. The Holiness Code is concerned with keeping Israel pure and untainted by the surrounding nations whose ways, it was felt, would lead them away from God. An abomination is that which God found detestable because it was unclean, disloyal and unjust. The word appears six times in the Holiness Code, always with reference to sexual impurity. In the book of Ezekiel the word appears several times, where it is associated with idolatry.

[aiwass]

As absurd as it is, there are lots of gay Christians. Hell, there are even gay priests!

Personally, though, I think it's stupid--why would you want to belong to a faith that overtly condemns your kind?

[JBDW]

As absurd as it is, there are lots of gay Christians. Hell, there are even gay priests!

Personally, though, I think it's stupid--why would you want to belong to a faith that overtly condemns your kind?

I think they believe in 'love the sinner, hate the sin'. So long as homosexuals don't engage in homosexual behaviour, then yes, you can have homosexual Christians.

[David77]

I know some gay Christians. I don't see the problem. You're all sinners, gays just have one more different sin than straight people.

[stevenote]

homosexual?"
IT'S AN ABOMINATION!
"You shall not lie with a male as with a women; it is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13). These passages appear within the Holiness Code of Israel. The Holiness Code is concerned with keeping Israel pure and untainted by the surrounding nations whose ways, it was felt, would lead them away from God. An abomination is that which God found detestable because it was unclean, disloyal and unjust. The word appears six times in the Holiness Code, always with reference to sexual impurity. In the book of Ezekiel the word appears several times, where it is associated with idolatry.

The bible also states that you can own slaves and stone to death your neighbor if he works on the Sabbath. I'm sure you believe wholeheartedly in those passages just as much as you believe in "Leviticus 18:22". Or are you a pick and choose which areas of the Bible Christian that suits your bigotry toward your fellow man?

[Thinman]

The bible also states that you can own slaves and stone to death your neighbor if he works on the Sabbath. I'm sure you believe wholeheartedly in those passages just as much as you believe in "Leviticus 18:22". Or are you a pick and choose which areas of the Bible Christian that suits your bigotry toward your fellow man?

Very good point.

[MediaDeit]

Yes, but it is considered your sinning. there are well over 1 billion christians in the world so i would say being conservative there are probably 1 million gay ones.

[ouchies]

As absurd as it is, there are lots of gay Christians. Hell, there are even gay priests!

Personally, though, I think it's stupid--why would you want to belong to a faith that overtly condemns your kind?

it would be kinda like a black dude trying to join the KKK...?

any gay christians here?

[concept]

Oh...good God, such ignorance on this board.

First of all, homosexuality is a genetic trait, or rather a sequence of defecetive genes. It's complete genetic. Gay man are attracted to pheromones produce by other gay man like females are attracted to pheromones produced by straight man. Gay men's brain also are closer to being a women's brain than a man's brain.

Second, don't use the bible as a reference. You can twist the bible to support any number of argument. The bible was used to prove that the Earth is flat and that the Sun revolve around us. The bible has also been used to justify slavery and other number of hateful activities.

Third. Like the "True Christian" thread, I believe with all my heart that a true Christian is someone who walk the steps of Christ with humility, humbleness, forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, grace and most imporant of all, unconditional love for ALL. If you are not of the above, you are not a true Christian.

Yes I know true Christians. They are a rare breed who accept and love people even if they are convicted criminals. They practice what Jesus teaches us, to love everyone as they way we want to be loved.

Like I said before.

Too much of this
Not enough of this

[Memnoch]

No, only if you join one of the pick&mix christian sects. Homosexuality is according to the Bible and church doctrine a mortal sin for which the person will suffer forever in hell. There's no ambiguity about this.

If that offends people then don't be a Christian, but the two are totally incompatible. You can be gay, you can be Christian, but not both.

Pope Benedict 16th called Homosexuality "an intrinsic moral evil". That and the history of Catholic dogma on the subject leaves little room for debate.

It's actually deeply insulting when Christian church groups say gays should be allowed into service, as it clearly violates the theology in much the same way as ordinations of female priests or abortion.

[ironman1964bc]

Leviticus is full of do's and dont's and it is impossible to just pick one out but ignore the others, which is what Christians do. As another post mentioned, murder is condoned by stoning or whatever for anyone breaking some of these laws. Because it seems to be ok for God to murder, all of Christianity falls flat on its face since most people are not seeking a "do as I say, not as I do" God.

For all Christians who use Leviticus as their basis for condemning homosexuality, you better be careful the next time your wife or girlfriend is on her period, because it is against the Leviticus law to touch an unclean woman. Even if she wants to hold your hand, you will have to deny her unless you want to be as bad as a homosexual.

[Memnoch]

Leviticus is full of do's and dont's and it is impossible to just pick one out but ignore the others, which is what Christians do. As another post mentioned, murder is condoned by stoning or whatever for anyone breaking some of these laws. Because it seems to be ok for God to murder, all of Christianity falls flat on its face since most people are not seeking a "do as I say, not as I do" God.

For all Christians who use Leviticus as their basis for condemning homosexuality, you better be careful the next time your wife or girlfriend is on her period, because it is against the Leviticus law to touch an unclean woman. Even if she wants to hold your hand, you will have to deny her unless you want to be as bad as a homosexual.

That isn't true at all. There is forumlated Christian/Catholic dogma which states and has stated for a long time what is considered a sin. Also people forget that there is a difference between Venial sins and mortal ones. You are also confusing Jewish law with Christian law.

Basic intro into the concept of Sin within the Catholic church.

http://www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu06.htm

Edit: I should also say that all mortal sins can be forgiven if the person repents of them and recognises that they are sins against life itself. So a homosexual who understands the evil of their sexuality can if truly repentent go to heaven.

[Revolver45]

Oh...good God, such ignorance on this board.

First of all, homosexuality is a genetic trait, or rather a sequence of defecetive genes. It's complete genetic. Gay man are attracted to pheromones produce by other gay man like females are attracted to pheromones produced by straight man. Gay men's brain also are closer to being a women's brain than a man's brain.

Second, don't use the bible as a reference. You can twist the bible to support any number of argument. The bible was used to prove that the Earth is flat and that the Sun revolve around us. The bible has also been used to justify slavery and other number of hateful activities.

Third. Like the "True Christian" thread, I believe with all my heart that a true Christian is someone who walk the steps of Christ with humility, humbleness, forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, grace and most imporant of all, unconditional love for ALL. If you are not of the above, you are not a true Christian.

Yes I know true Christians. They are a rare breed who accept and love people even if they are convicted criminals. They practice what Jesus teaches us, to love everyone as they way we want to be loved.

Like I said before.

Too much of this
Not enough of this

...shut up


There isn't a shred of proof that being gay is genetic. Homosexuality is a sin, there is no doubt about it, ever hear of Sodom and Gamorrah? I rest my case. God detests homosexual behaviour, you cannot engage in a gay lifestyle and be a Christian. It is one thing to commit sins by accident, but it is another to sin constantly throughout your entire life.

[A & B]

...shut up


There isn't a shred of proof that being gay is genetic. Homosexuality is a sin, there is no doubt about it, ever hear of Sodom and Gamorrah? I rest my case. God detests homosexual behaviour, you cannot engage in a gay lifestyle and be a Christian. It is one thing to commit sins by accident, but it is another to sin constantly throughout your entire life.

Actually there is, you need further education.

Second, read the story of Soddom and Gamorrah again, and try to find where it says anything about consenting homosexual relationships. It says nothing about them, anywhere. I've read the story dozens of times, I know.



And what happened to let he without sin cast the first stone, turn the other cheek, didn't Jesus say to open your arms and hearts to sinner? To welcome them?

No man is without sin and all sins are equal.

We all 'sin' frequently, every day, and by choice. Damnit, everytime you look at a hot girl and think a dirty thought you just sinned. Every time you see a nice car and wish it were yours you just sinned.

[Pumpin45_s]

I think they believe in 'love the sinner, hate the sin'. So long as homosexuals don't engage in homosexual behaviour, then yes, you can have homosexual Christians.

He ^ speaks the truth

And yes, there is evidence suggesting that homosexuals are born that way. It still doesn't make homosexual acts right though

Every time you see a nice car and wish it were yours you just sinned.

It's one thing to wish you have something, it's another to crave it and desire it greatly.

Here's a couple definitions:

"To feel blameworthy desire for (that which is another's)"
"To feel immoderate desire for that which is another's."

[A & B]

Here's some food for thought.

Homosexuality, in cuture and society, is just as 'old' as heterosexuality. In every civilization of the ancient world, there is an abundance of evidence demonstrating that homosexual relationships and practices were common and accepted. It was really only with the rise of the big 3 monotheistic faiths that we see a severe intollerance of homosexuality.

Homosexuality has been observed in nature many times, by definition alone, doesn't that make it 'natural'?

I ask you this, just so long as men and women are respectful and good to others, what does it matter what they do behind closed doors? What does it matter who them find attractive?

I have several friends who are, now openly gay. With several of them, it's been obvious since we were young children. One of them explained it like this. When he was young, really young in grades like 1,2 and 3. When other little boys were talking about pretty girls, and wanting to hold their hands and stuff. He always had those same feelings for other little boys, and he didn't understand why. He just didn't see girls like that, he wanted to hold the boys hands and stuff, and this is at an age where kids don't even understand sexuality yet. But he said he's simply never thought of women or girls in a sexual way.

My mother is a primary school teacher, and she has seen kids grow up since they were 5 or 6, when it was obvious that they were gay. And sure enough, they grow up and in grade 10 or 11, they come out of the closet. But all the teachers knew it even before they did.

I've seen some of these kids, and I can tell.

Seriously, people are so obsessed with this notion of 'sin', obsessed like Luther was, to a rediculous extent.

As long as people are kind and try to be good, to 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you', what does it matter who they are sexually attracted to?

Let me ask you, did you make a conscious decision to be heterosexual? Did you weigh the pro's and con's? Would it be possible for you to honestly change your sexual preference? Would it be possible for you to honestly wake up, and find men suddenly attractive and women not so? Of course not, so what makes you think that sexual orientation is a choice? You and I didn't have a choice in being heterosexual, that's how I was born. I find women attractive, and I couldn't change that even if I wanted to or tried.

[Memnoch]

Actually there is, you need further education.

Second, read the story of Soddom and Gamorrah again, and try to find where it says anything about consenting homosexual relationships. It says nothing about them, anywhere. I've read the story dozens of times, I know.



And what happened to let he without sin cast the first stone, turn the other cheek, didn't Jesus say to open your arms and hearts to sinner? To welcome them?

No man is without sin and all sins are equal.

We all 'sin' frequently, every day, and by choice. Damnit, everytime you look at a hot girl and think a dirty thought you just sinned. Every time you see a nice car and wish it were yours you just sinned.

You are partially correct regarding the story of Soddom and Gamorrah. The reason they were destroyed was because the bisexual citizens wanted to rape/sleep with the angels who were disguised as men. Since angelic/human relationships were forbidden since the Nephalim in Genesis it was a damage limitation control measure. It can be applied to homosexuality, but must then logically be applied to heterosexuals who sleep around and bisexuals. It's basically a pronouncement on uncontrolled lust.

[Pumpin45_s]

You are partially correct regarding the story of Soddom and Gamorrah. The reason they were destroyed was because the bisexual citizens wanted to rape/sleep with the angels who were disguised as men. Since angelic/human relationships were forbidden since the Nephalim in Genesis it was a damage limitation control measure.

That's not really the reason why he destroyed it. Even before that in Genesis 18:20, 23, 32 it says,

20 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me

23 Then Abraham approached him and said: "Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked"

32 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?"

He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it."

[A & B]

That's not really the reason why he destroyed it. Even before that in Genesis 18:20, 23, 32 it says,

If you read the story, the cities were filled with wicked people. Liars, theives, rapists, murderers... generally, it is a story about wickedness being cleansed.

Again, show me where it says anything about homosexuality.

[Memnoch]

That's not really the reason why he destroyed it. Even before that in Genesis 18:20, 23, 32 it says,

Nephalim
http://www.letusreason.org/Doct11.htm

Rape and Homosexuality in early Bible
http://www.freeingthespirit.org/Homo...ity&Bible3.htm

The main thrust of the story is that rape of men and women and sexual abandon is what is being condemned. It can thus be interpreted as a story against lust and rape.

[A & B]

Nephalim
http://www.letusreason.org/Doct11.htm

Rape and Homosexuality in early Bible
http://www.freeingthespirit.org/Homo...ity&Bible3.htm

The main thrust of the story is that rape of men and women and sexual abandon is what is being condemned. It can thus be interpreted as a story against lust and rape.

Instead of taking other people's opinions on what the story means, let us allow people to read it for themselves and make their own decisions.

http://www.carm.org/kjv/Gen/Gen_18.htm

Genesis 18-19

[Pumpin45_s]

If you read the story, the cities were filled with wicked people. Liars, theives, rapists, murderers... generally, it is a story about wickedness being cleansed.

Again, show me where it says anything about homosexuality.

I wasn't even arguing with you, bro. I think you are right, but maybe I'll look into more later. I think they were probably mostly known for homosexuality because look at the name. The name tells you the town was filled with sodomy. Right now I going to a friend's house, so maybe I'll add more later

Nephalim
http://www.letusreason.org/Doct11.htm

Rape and Homosexuality in early Bible
http://www.freeingthespirit.org/Homo...ity&Bible3.htm

The main thrust of the story is that rape of men and women and sexual abandon is what is being condemned. It can thus be interpreted as a story against lust and rape.

I agree, which is why I didn't include that part of your post in my quote. You said that God was going to destroy it because they wanted to have sex with angels which is forbidden. I was merely showing you or clarifying that he was already going to destroy the city because of their disgusting sexual sins. The fact that the men of the town wanted to do that further illustrated how evil they were

[SuperTrouper]

IF there is one thing which is very clear in the bible, its that homosexuality is a sin and basically bad.

So how can someone who is gay be a christian ?

And it's coping out creating your own designer version of the bible conveniently choosing what parts you want to follow and which parts you don't, that's total bollocks, either your a proper Christian and you follow the bible 100% or your not.

wow, so many discrepancies in your post

well first of all, Christians follow Jesus, thats how it got started....

Jesus never said homosexuality was wrong....

NEVER

if you are referring to the old testament in the bible , that was way before jesus's time..

learn to separate the 2.old testamrnt and new testament are completely 2 separate writings....



ok? thanks

[A & B]

I wasn't even arguing with you, bro. I think you are right, but maybe I'll look into more later. I think they were probably mostly known for homosexuality because look at the name. The name tells you the town was filled with sodomy. Right now I going to a friend's house, so maybe I'll add more later

I misunderstood. My apologies.

[stevenote]

...shut up


There isn't a shred of proof that being gay is genetic. Homosexuality is a sin, there is no doubt about it, ever hear of Sodom and Gamorrah? I rest my case. God detests homosexual behaviour, you cannot engage in a gay lifestyle and be a Christian. It is one thing to commit sins by accident, but it is another to sin constantly throughout your entire life.

You are an ignorant narrow mind a**hole. Take your "Fairy tale" religon made up 2,000 years ago. Christian fantasy world. Realty is that you are going to the same place we all are going. In the ground or up in flames. If you think your going to float off into a fantasyland then your in for a rude surprise. In 200 years your Christian Gog will have gone the way of Greek gods.