Some facts about diet soda...

[AlexMR]

Since I know many of you guys love it and there are multiple questions n the subject every day, it hought i should share this info. It was published by coach Poliquin, that's enough to make me believe it is good:

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/index...0&Itemid=10194

Dont drink soda. Period.

[jacksonp11]

Originally Posted by AlexMR

Since I know many of you guys love it and there are multiple questions n the subject every day, it hought i should share this info. It was published by coach Poliquin, that's enough to make me believe it is good:

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/index...0&Itemid=10194

Dont drink soda. Period.

since my time of reading these forums there has been so many arguments about insulin spikes from aspartme, artificial sweetener etc

there has been some great evidence shown on both sides so its really too hard to agree one side of it being 100% correct.

i think that people should just not risk it, and drink water, as its obviously better for you, however, a couple cans a week of diet soda won't hurt you.

i know it didn't affect my fat loss.

[Hotmoltenlava]

While I agree that diet soda is not the best option, I don't feel a can or two a day is harmful. Most of the arguments in that article were troubles for the weak minded or weak willed that can be caused by diet soda (leading to overeating or creating a sweet tooth, leading to binge eating). I think diet soda is the best remedy for a sweet tooth. I drink a can instead of wanting sugar or chocolate or something else loaded with fat and calories. Can't beat something sweet that has no calories and no fat.

Have a good one.

[mpipes]

I tend to agree with the article in terms of the possible ingrained hormonal responses to the sweet flavor but it won't stop me from drinking my one can per day and I know it hasn't affected my weight loss otherwise I wouldn't be where I am today.

[Blake Austin]

I will always drink it. It has 0 calories.

[commi]

Ya about the it making you overeat part i have lost 81 pounds and i have like one a day and i never overeat mabey for the weak minded who would have never succeded anyway if a simple can of diet soda causes them to go nuts and overeat.

[MarkVI]

I drink way too much of it but I'm not gonna stop.

[kingtego]

Originally Posted by Hotmoltenlava

While I agree that diet soda is not the best option, I don't feel a can or two a day is harmful. Most of the arguments in that article were troubles for the weak minded or weak willed that can be caused by diet soda (leading to overeating or creating a sweet tooth, leading to binge eating). I think diet soda is the best remedy for a sweet tooth. I drink a can instead of wanting sugar or chocolate or something else loaded with fat and calories. Can't beat something sweet that has no calories and no fat.

Have a good one.

Pretty much how I feel.

As for the hormonal responses, I suppose it is plausible, but not enough for me to worry about.

[stewaat]

The article was presented in such a way that I don't really put much weight on what he just said.

I only drink water, but that's by choice. I'd rather have water than any other beverage.

[TheFatMan]

I have to agree with others, just move to water. I personally used to drink 3-4 sodas before 8 in the morning. These also weren't diet, as I hated the taste. It took some time but I've finally totally cut out soda. I'm now working on cutting out the crystal light etc from drinking. The only time I find myself drinking anything other then water is when I'm eating. Still can't deal with the "aftertaste" of what I'm eating while I drink.

Summary: Drop the soda, it may not be bad for ya but it sure can't be good.

[TheNormalMan]

Diet soda has just as strong of an acidic effect on your teeth as regular soda does. There's lot of information on it, but basically the acidity in diet soda is just as strong if not stronger than regular soda. Interesting point I found.

[tanizaki]

Originally Posted by TheNormalMan

Diet soda has just as strong of an acidic effect on your teeth as regular soda does. There's lot of information on it, but basically the acidity in diet soda is just as strong if not stronger than regular soda. Interesting point I found.

Cola is not much more acidic than citrus fruits and their juices, and when you are eating a fruit, there is more contact with the teeth than when drinking. Yet, I don't see anyone running to the hills about "oh no don't eat oranges! Think of your enamel!"

[Gx7Pyro]

i think the main point in this article is that diet soda makes you WANT to eat more and eat more surgary foods. well, anybody on a cut should have a strong enough mental focus on their goals to be able to overcome all those obsticles, or it wouldnt be a sucessful cut. drink diet soda, and control your hunger.

[Sim882]

I prob drink 4 cans per day.

I know this may be bad - I'm trying to quit.

I don't feel it impedes weight loss though

Note, if it does cause an insulin response,

we should all include it in our PWO whilst cutting, to have a carbless insulin response!

[MrLovrLovr]

The worst thing you can drink that affects your teeth is lemonade / lemon juice not cola ..
cola is far down the list - it's the sugar in the non diet varities thats the worst on your tooths

[Sim882]

I know the theory goes that because its sweet, your body think its consuming sugar and secretes insulin.

This cannot be right. Fructose has an extremely low to non-existent insulin response, the lowest of any energy source with unsaturated fats.

Yet, fructose is in fact the sweetest sugar.

Therefore, the link between a sweet taste and insulin is very doutful

[tanizaki]

Originally Posted by Sim882

I know the theory goes that because its sweet, your body think its consuming sugar and secretes insulin.

This cannot be right. Fructose has an extremely low to non-existent insulin response, the lowest of any energy source with unsaturated fats.

Yet, fructose is in fact the sweetest sugar.

Therefore, the link between a sweet taste and insulin is very doutful

Quoted for science.

[Sim882]

Originally Posted by tanizaki

Quoted for science.

Hey, most of what is on the board is "bro-science".

The argument that diet drinks spike insulin has no direct scientific support. It is just someone making a reasoned argument that insulin is link to our body's sensation of taste. Essentially, this is "bro-science".

My rebuttal has no direct scientific support. However, it extrapolates from the example of fructose that the link between insulin and taste sensation is doubtful. Therefore, it undermines the former "bro-science". If diet drinks spike insulin, another explanation may be needed.

Moreover, from personal experience I don't believe that diet drinks are fattening. I was consuming 2 litres of diet coke earlier this year, and rapidly dropped b.f. I use it as a hunger buster. Layne Norton says the same thing (although I'm not sure if he would have consumed the same amount)

[cdelozier]

I won't drink ANY soda due to the phosphoric acid and carbonation effects on the body.

Phosphoric acid is linked to lower bone density in this study: http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/84/4/936. What I find amazingly funny and saddening at the same time: Pepsi did their own study linking decreased phosphorous intake with lower bone density. That right there is an ethical reason to avoid anything from Pepsi.

Carbonation, shown so far to have a negligible effect on calcium levels, isn't on it's own worth avoiding. But IMO it's combination with the phosphoric acid makes those negligible effects not as much so.

The studies may be wrong or they may have some weight behind them, and even a few a week won't destroy your bones, but I'd still rather not have them. After quitting them cold turkey (used to drink like 8 or 10 Dr. Peppers a day!) I have lost my taste for them entirely.

[kyro_02]

a few months back when I was actually focused(moreso then now) i would drink nothing but diet soda caffeine, and 150 situps with no real cardio, like goin for a run etc.

and people said eating a loaf of bread a day(nothing else for a complete week), i don't know why people said you'd put weight on eating just a loaf cause its "bad for you", i know i was losing the weight.. lol.

and soda is not good for you in other ways, but if it works for you .. then why change :P?

[Devisissy]

It clearly states in the article this is not fact but a theory. So there ya go.

I loved the Mythbusters where they soaked those cadaver teeth in soda and found no change in them what so ever, however they did find that Coke works great on chrome bumpers with a little elbow grease.

[Badfrog]

Honestly, this is silly.

[Negativecreep0]

Originally Posted by Devisissy

It clearly states in the article this is not fact but a theory. So there ya go.

I loved the Mythbusters where they soaked those cadaver teeth in soda and found no change in them what so ever, however they did find that Coke works great on chrome bumpers with a little elbow grease.

Myth busters is the ****ttttt! I personally bath in diet soda once a week, it helps eat away the aging parasites...... Coke Zero ftw.....

[Rexy]

I pound back water, but on that note, I may have a can of diet sprite once every 2-3 weeks. I really doubt this is harmful

[PlatinumPlus]

95% of what that article said was aimed at those with very little will or self discapline. I can see diet soda taking care of cravings rather then making you binge out anyways so even with that i dont agree.
The possible insulin spike is the only issue that is really even debateable and though i question it too, it cant totally be disregarded.
However 1 thing that makes me wonder is, if all this bad talk about the possible insulin raising effects of soda due to fake sugar being mistaken for sugar and creating an insulin spike than what about our protein shakes? Most all protein shakes have fake forms of sugar, artificial sweetners that should create the same response as the diet soda then correct? Cause it sure as hell wouldnt be the carbonation thats making the insulin raise but the fake sugar.
As bodybuilders and the need to lose weight. We eat alot of things that contain these fake sugars, so are these all bad too?

sugar and carbs = insulin spike / raising of insulin
protein and fat dont really make raise insulin a whole lot, infact i beleive fat combined with carbs lowers the insulin raising effects that carbs have.

However mixing protein and carbs makes for the greatest insulin spikes.

Perhaps our protein shakes (protein + fake sugar, with no presence of fat for slowing absorption time) make for really bad carb spikes and hinders fat loss.

so do we try and ditch shakes and bars too? Eat nothing but real, clean food?

[Starky1177]

That was retarded...It basically said it will make you fat because if you drink it you probably can't control the rest of your eating habits, I dont drink it then think I can eat more, I dont drink it then get cravings...aint makin me fat

[Starky1177]

Originally Posted by PlatinumPlus

95% of what that article said was aimed at those with very little will or self discapline. I can see diet soda taking care of cravings rather then making you binge out anyways so even with that i dont agree.
The possible insulin spike is the only issue that is really even debateable and though i question it too, it cant totally be disregarded.
However 1 thing that makes me wonder is, if all this bad talk about the possible insulin raising effects of soda due to fake sugar being mistaken for sugar and creating an insulin spike than what about our protein shakes? Most all protein shakes have fake forms of sugar, artificial sweetners that should create the same response as the diet soda then correct? Cause it sure as hell wouldnt be the carbonation thats making the insulin raise but the fake sugar.
As bodybuilders and the need to lose weight. We eat alot of things that contain these fake sugars, so are these all bad too?

sugar and carbs = insulin spike / raising of insulin
protein and fat dont really make raise insulin a whole lot, infact i beleive fat combined with carbs lowers the insulin raising effects that carbs have.

However mixing protein and carbs makes for the greatest insulin spikes.

Perhaps our protein shakes (protein + fake sugar, with no presence of fat for slowing absorption time) make for really bad carb spikes and hinders fat loss.

so do we try and ditch shakes and bars too? Eat nothing but real, clean food?

You want a Insulin Spike in your PWO Shake, it what helps shuttle Protein to the muscles, thats why many people Put dextrose in their PWO shake (to raise insulin more and go faster)

[Wimbeast]

I personally feel bloated and weird after drinking diet or normal soda. So I would only drink it like once a week max.

[Bronkko]

i dont think i have a problem with soda..

im a diet ice tea guy..

but if someone touches my splenda...we're fightin.

[rainieravesouth]

one can every few days isnt going to do much. now the people that drink 2 liters/day, that might be a little too much IMO.