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    Cut before cycle or bulk before cycle ?

    What would you guys do for maximum muscle gains ?

    Start your cycle after a bulking phase, where strength would already be at it's peak ? or start your cycle after a cutting phase, where the calorie increase would be anabolic, along with the cycle itself ?
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    in regards to cycling what? i thought you're all natural?
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    Originally Posted by dee213
    in regards to cycling what? i thought you're all natural?
    Who said it was for him? I'm sure numerous people on this forum would like to see what people are doing for best results. (assuming he is refering to "THE SAUCE"!!!)
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    Yeh but i was just going thru his threads coz he is pretty high up there and came accross one saying he takes 1-Test or watever. That stuff aint considered Natural over here in Australia.
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    Originally Posted by dee213
    Yeh but i was just going thru his threads coz he is pretty high up there and came accross one saying he takes 1-Test or watever. That stuff aint considered Natural over here in Australia.
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    Originally Posted by pu12en12g
    What would you guys do for maximum muscle gains ?

    Start your cycle after a bulking phase, where strength would already be at it's peak ? or start your cycle after a cutting phase, where the calorie increase would be anabolic, along with the cycle itself ?
    stfu. u r a chick arent u? otherwise what were u doing in the old GAY FORUM, the one that was closed ages ago?
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    Originally Posted by dee213
    in regards to cycling what? i thought you're all natural?
    So far yes... but not for long

    Here.. I addressed the "doubters" here... and I'm flattered.

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    Originally Posted by Watcher
    stfu. u r a chick arent u? otherwise what were u doing in the old GAY FORUM, the one that was closed ages ago?
    WTF ? ? what forum ? ?

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    Originally Posted by pu12en12g
    WTF ? ? what forum ? ?

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    Talking

    lol! Wtf is this guy goin gon about?

    Good Luck pu12, you know your **** and waited for the right time. (Appearantly all the smart people have patience, all the dumbass 18 yr olds want their **** NOW.)

    Any Idea of what products you will run?

    Btw, keep bulk, no one likes to cut.

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    Are you ****ing kidding me...
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    Originally Posted by MuZI
    Any Idea of what products you will run?
    I was one of the lucky ones that stocked up before the ban. Since I have the transdermals (and C1T)... I'm not even sure if I will even use any of the orals.

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    i hope its ur NON WORKOUT DAY(recovery day) today, coz u r ****ing around making a dumb ass useless Threads wasting ur time.
    But if its ur Training day, then get ur ass up, and do some military press.
    OR do u even fuking workout ? Or u just make a dumb fuking threads?
    Peace.Do something.UR fuking face pu12 is everywhere as if u dont even work out.I mean wtf.
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    Originally Posted by Watcher
    i hope its ur NON WORKOUT DAY(recovery day) today, coz u r ****ing around making a dumb ass useless Threads wasting ur time.
    Yeah... in 2003 sherlock....
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    Originally Posted by pu12en12g
    I was one of the lucky ones that stocked up before the ban. Since I have the transdermals (and C1T)... I'm not even sure if I will even use any of the orals.

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    Hmm, interesting. Makes sence, I'm just wondering about your issue with 5-OXO that arose.
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    Originally Posted by MuZI
    Hmm, interesting. Makes sence, I'm just wondering about your issue with 5-OXO that arose.
    I'm not 100% sure that it was due to the 6-OXO (Nitric Oxide.. prolactin... cutting...)
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    Originally Posted by pu12en12g
    Yeah... in 2003 sherlock....
    [smartass] Wow, you get along with him so well. Is he your brother? [/smartass]
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    Cutting before cycle is optimum IMO (and that's all it is). Getting rid of excess fat levels prior to a cycle is something that can be continued through the cycle if the right components are used on cycle and you have the diet down pat and clean. Immediately after cycle you will not be cutting but will continue in "bulk mode" to retain the gains you made on cycle. Cutting during PCT is a path to gains lost. Cutting even a few weeks after full PCT is just giving your body an excuse to dump this extra mass that it didn't want in the first place. As far as strength issues - yes, you may be a few pounds under your strong lifts at the start, but again, using the right components while ON cycle will more than correct this with a quickness. Cutting prior to cycle is a great opportunity to lose some BF% and then watch it come back in the form of LBM on cycle. You can always cut again prior to the next one.
    I myself am off the orals totally and will be in a darker place from now on. Much easier on the system.
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    body comp wise I think it's a great idea to cut as adjusting to a calorie surplus as well as a cycle would lead to explosive gains. The only problem I have with it is that you'll be doing a cut-type routine which is typically more days per week and lighter weights; <-- either due to the format of the routine or due to a lack in strength because of a calorie deficit. The jump from lighter weights to all of a sudden being on cycle could lead to some difficulty adjusting. I know without even doing a cycle, just simply going back to heavy weights takes me a week or so to adjust; it could be even longer if coming off of a cut and going to the extreme of an on-cycle bulk. That could be a couple weeks where you're not taking full advantage of the hormones. I'd take at least 1 week, probably 2-3, of lifting heavy just to get your body ready again
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    I would cut and then cycle I would think you would get the most gains that way and you will stay leaner too. Good luck with it and let us know how it works for you what ever you deside to do.
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